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WINNY IS HARMFUL---blood work results back....

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RDW 15.6* 11-15
Uric Acid 1.1* 2.7-8.2
HDL 4* >59
LDL 129* <100
Cholesterol 158 <200
Triglycerides 123 <150
Testosterone 4944* 241-827
TSH (3rd generation)--- .7-5.7
Glucose 80 65-109
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 39.5* 3.1-4.9

NOTE: The number next to the name is my levels, and the number to the right of it is the normal range.

A few things here. This was the cycle I was on while I got this done (december):

Sust--------500mg-------1-10
Winny (IP)-50mg ED----5-10
EQ----------400mg-------1-10
Dbol--------30mg---------1-5

Now notice the extremely low HDL and high LDL levels. You know what this is from? It's from the damn winny. I'm never doing that shit again because this just proves what various studies have suggested about winny's effects on HDL levels. I'm going to get my levels checked again in a few months to see if they have returned to normal.
 
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Any AAS can potentially screw up cholesterol levels. What makes you so sure it was the winny as opposed to the other AAS you were on?
 
I know exactly what you mean bro, I used winny and dbol for a long time and I got almost the same values for HDL and LDL as you did....not to mention the liver values....I am already off for 2 months and I am gonna have a test again soon...

By the way, did u use arimidex during your cycle?
This will also RAISE your cholesterol values....:(

If u ever get the winstrol in the original packaging and are able to read the insert, it states there clearly that stanozolol will raise LDL and decrease HLD, but it will be only temporary....
 
I am on winny at 50mg ED and accutane at 100mg ED and my cholesterol, HDL, LDL, and tri's are all staying the same. I have been on both for over 4 wks.
 
Actually this is true with any alk 17 and blood values will return to normal as soon as you cease taking alk 17.
 
athlete03 said:
Any AAS can potentially screw up cholesterol levels. What makes you so sure it was the winny as opposed to the other AAS you were on?
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Because there have been many studies proving exactly what happened to me. Winny almost totally destroys your HDL levels and raises your LDL.

the only thing I'm concerned about is the longevity of this side effect. None of the studies I have read stated how long it will take for levels to reach equilibrium again.


By the way, did u use arimidex during your cycle?
This will also RAISE your cholesterol values....
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no arimidex with that cycle.
 
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I did a 5 week winny cycle at the end of last year. I had my blood checked in early February and my liver values were a little high, but my doc never gave me the test results. I have to go in and take another blood test before this next cycle.
 
if you are taking armidex then aas will have an even greater negative effect on your cholesterol as estrogen keeps good cholesterol up and bad cholesterol down
 
The only way to check your cholesterol without a doctor is to buy a test called "cholestrak" from Wallgreens. It's about 97% accurate, I know because I took the test with my doctor and then took the cholestrak test at home. But it only gives you total cholestrol reading.
 
I'm never gonna use winny again either. Last cycle I was on 30mgs of zambon tabs a day and during the last 2 weeks it hurt SO BAD to take a piss. (Prostate) After the cycle was done...no more pain. Fuck winny. Use anavar for an oral cutter.
 
Oh this is exactly what I wanted to hear, I'm 2 weeks out from starting my winny. I had bloodwork done after a dbol/eq/enth cycle and my levels wre nowhere near what you have, matter of fact mine turned out very good.
 
So, since you didn't do a test before you started your cycle, how can you look at your present levels and instantly know it's Winny and not the other gear or something biochemically wrong with you that was there before you started your cycle?
 
usersatch said:
So, since you didn't do a test before you started your cycle, how can you look at your present levels and instantly know it's Winny and not the other gear or something biochemically wrong with you that was there before you started your cycle?
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i have gotten blood tests before.
 
Oh great, now what am i going to do with the Winny ?????? Can someone take cholesterol meds like lipitor or red yeast from gnc they claim it lowers cholesterol they make a lot of other claims ha ha????????
 
from a lab tech....

I am a med lab tech so I have some experience in this area. First think of this, what are any aas molecules suspended in? Give up? Oil, what does arimidex (sp) do ? supress estrogen, as pointed out effects cholesterol. HDL is a fat, lipid, oil scavenger; it's olny function is to bind with fats and transport them to the liver where they are esterified and disposed of thru the colon via the hepatic portal vein. Your gallbladder also plays a role in this by secreting bile which acts to break down the fats further utilizing as much asd possible by reabsorbtion thr the upper portion of the large intestine. I am about 99% sure of these statements trying to rember my biochemistry and clinical chemistry rotations. If someone wants more info I can dig out my text books and quote some egg head for you, drop me a pm.

My basic point is that while on the gear your hdl is going to drop and our ldl will rise with your total cholesterol; as well as liver function test due to the bodies process of scavaging and excretion. The elevated test. lvls. your show also increase the risk of DHT,(dihydroxy testosterone), against your prostate and hair folicles. I am sure there are other organs effected but I choose to point out the most talk about.

Increase the Peace.....

Barbell265...

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Thanks for the heads up Audio.

I'm still gonna take my winny this cycle. Gotta see what happens first hand. If I keel over dead, I'll donate the remaining winny to all of you. :)
 
CPK

i'm interested in analyzing blood work after an 8 week Sost/Laurabolin cycle. I'm 5'10 and weigh 190-195 lbs.

Not a heavy one at all. Sost 500 mg and Laura 300 mg/week.

My CPK (Creatine Phospho Kinase) is off the roof. A 437*. The range is 38 to 180. (No panicking, though.) It's normally used as a heart attack/stroke indicator. But, in bb's, it can be a sign of work-out activity. Any similar experiences?

I think a cycle-specific blood information would be extremely helpful to all.
 
I have to agree, I have felt very harsh while on Winny. I vow never to take it again (after I use up these last few tabs in my next cycle, of course).

Incidentally, what kinds of negative sides and feelings come with having your cholesterol levels screwed up?

Since I feel better fairly quickly after stopping the winny, maybe it is not too permanent.
 
gtaman said:
Incidentally, what kinds of negative sides and feelings come with having your cholesterol levels screwed up?

Since I feel better fairly quickly after stopping the winny, maybe it is not too permanent.
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I don't feel any different on winny then when off. So to say that the cholesterol levels should return quickly, since you feel better after winny leaves your system, would not be an accurate conclusion. Unfortunately.
 
Come on, guys - try to focus on the whole picture here! There are a few risks we have to consider whilst using AS and a worsening of our cholesterol levels is one of them. Having a messed up cholesterol level for a couple of months is evidently not good but won't kill you!

When bulking I presume one's diet is'nt totally clean but when the cycle is done one usually goes back to a healthy, clean diet. This fact together with a healthy dose of cardio and an AS-free body will all help the body's cholesterol levels to return to their normal range.

When overweight people are told to diet because of increased risk of cardio-/vascular diseases they cholesterol levels return to normal ranges as the weight drops. When they have reached a healthy weight and have started a "new life" with a good, clean diet and lots of exercise, they have no greater risk then other healthy individuals of getting cardio-/vascular diseases. The only problem they will have to deal with is how much arterosclerosis (hardened, saturated fat on the inside of the arteries) they have accumulated during their "fat" years. For these people, a cycle with orals would be MUCH more risky than you're average healthy individual.

Now, if these people can get through YEARS of bad habits with COMPLETELY fucked up cholesterol levels then we can definitely manage a couple of months with 17AA orals!!

Crom
 
Having a messed up cholesterol level for a couple of months is evidently not good but won't kill you!
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Show me the studies that support your conclusion that cholestrol side effects only last for a couple months.
 
Audio8 said:


Show me the studies that support your conclusion that cholestrol side effects only last for a couple months.
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not sure he was refering to cholesterol side effects rather he was talkng about the few months the cholesterol level is off itself.
 
mike001 said:

not sure he was refering to cholesterol side effects rather he was talkng about the few months the cholesterol level is off itself.
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hey mike,
yeah that is what i meant: The cholesterol side effects being off-balanced cholesterol levels. I have not seen any studies to support the notion that they only last a couple months. If anyone has gotten blood tests done within this time span and they did return to normal after a couple months, that would be wonderfull. But i have yet to hear this.
 
For those who think you need a doctor to get blood work your wrong. At least in the Atlanta area that is. There is a company called Any test with 10 locations that will do damn near any blood test. They just draw the blood and send it to the local lab. It saves you some money as in your not paying for a doctors visit. But your also not going to get an explanation or help-- just the results.

Audio8-- shoot me an email. I might be able to help you out with your blood work.
 
About 2 weeks ago I had a cholesterol check. I had been on anadrol, winny and test for a few weeks prior. My levels weren't bad, at least nothing close to yours. We all know steroids plays havoc on your cholesterol levels and that's why it's so important to eat right and get plenty of fiber.
 
ryker,
check your mail.....much appreciated heads up.


el cubano,
have you ever had your levels checked while on a cycle like that so you have something to compare to?
 
audio8 & others,

the studies i have are in a magazine, so i can't post them. but in the article they mentioned that normal levels rebound relatively quickly (within 3 weeks of discontinuance of winny - actually, stanozolal (winny) was the drug they used in the test).

it's also relatively straightfoward to understand. oral steroids (alkylated) all increase hepatic lipase activity (a liver enzyme that destroys HDL). but this increased activity will not continue after discontinuance of oral steroids...why would it??? so if the activity drops, your bodies natural production of HDL won't be counteracted by the increased hepatic lipase activity. furthermore, with the increase in HDL, LDL levels will fall back into normal range (remember they were raised in the first place by the drop in HDL levels - the carrier that effectively combats LDL). all steroids can affect cholesterol activity, but none so drastically as oral alkylated steroids.
 
I know of people with elevated total cholesterol, LDL, and triglycerides and low HDL even 7-8 months after the cessation of a cycle (test 3-4 weeks, deca 7-8 weeks, dbol 3-4 week duration on average). At least one had completely normal values prior to initiation of the cycle. Like any other chemical/drug AAS have different effects and side effects on different people. It can cause havoc with some people's lipid profile. Most of these negative effects on lipids should reverse or at least significantly improve by 2-3 months after the cycle is over; but like I said, I have seen patients with abnormal values lasting much longer than that.
 
interesting...i was just getting information from one particular study that i read. do you know why their body doesn't restore normal values?
 
Don't blame the Winny

Too proof your point you should take Winny all by itself. Then have bloodtests.

In my opinion one can do 100 mgr/day for 12-16 weeks, if taking a decent liver protector and taking something to help controlling cholesterol.
D-bol or Ox will give the same problems. But still no big deal.

Jeff
 
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