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JarheadChiro
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Curious.
Why ANPB and or flax oil, before bedtime?
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SgtSlaughter
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fats take longer to digest... keep you burning calories into the night/keeping catabolism at bay for awhile.
devcon
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I know most people here know the importance of there EFA's, but flax oil is really not as great as an efa as you might believe. Yes it provides Omega-3(N3-PUFA) but there are the two types of omega-3 fatty acids:
Plant oils like flax seed oil contain alpha-linolenic acid (ALA), a short-chain omega-3 fatty acid(18 carbon short-chain fa).
Fish contain long-chain omega-3: eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) are 20 and 22 long-chain fatty acids.
The real problem is we can convert at most 9-10% of ALA into EPA and DHA. I have read studies of 0.2% conversion(Pawlosky et al.) The conversion in the body has shown different results in studies but, it's mostly inefficient.
I just wanted to gives a heads up for those using flax thinking they are getting a good balance and source of efa's. You already know you need them, just make sure you're not leaving any out!
Plant oils like flax seed oil contain alpha-linolenic acid (ALA), a short-chain omega-3 fatty acid(18 carbon short-chain fa).
Fish contain long-chain omega-3: eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) are 20 and 22 long-chain fatty acids.
The real problem is we can convert at most 9-10% of ALA into EPA and DHA. I have read studies of 0.2% conversion(Pawlosky et al.) The conversion in the body has shown different results in studies but, it's mostly inefficient.
I just wanted to gives a heads up for those using flax thinking they are getting a good balance and source of efa's. You already know you need them, just make sure you're not leaving any out!
Lifterforlife
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Besides that, from a bodybuilders standpoint, flax is high in lignans. It has been shown in studies that lignans(each natural fiber) can bind natural steroid hormones by as much as 87%. This can result in a significant decrease in total testosterone and free test.
Now this study was done on prostate cancer folks, but the reason it was done on them was to test test levels which were thought at one time to cause prostate problems. We now know it is high estrogen levels that contribute..but anyway...
A lowfat (20% of kilocalories or less), flaxseed supplemented (30 g/day) diet was ingested by 25 patients with prostate cancer awaiting prostatectomy for an average of 34 days (21 to 77 days). The baseline and follow-up levels of prostate specific antigen, testosterone, free androgen index, and total serum cholesterol were determined. The tumors of patients on the test diet were compared with those of historic cases. Significant decreases were observed in total serum cholesterol (201 +/ 39 mg/dL to 174 +/ 42 mg/dL), total testosterone (422 +/ 122 ng/dL to 360 +/ 128 ng/dL), and free androgen index (36.3%+/ 18.9% to 29.3%+/ 16.8%) (all P <0.05). The baseline and follow-up levels of prostate-specific antigen were 8.1 +/- 5.2 ng/mL and 8.5 +/-7.7 ng/mL, respectively, for the entire sample (P = 0.58); among men with Gleason sums of 6 or less (n = 19), the PSA values were 7.1 +/3.9 ng/mL and 6.4 +/4.1 ng/mL (P = 0.10). The mean proliferation index was 7.4 +/7.8 for the historic controls versus 5.0 +/4.9 for the diet treated patients (P = 0.05). Both the proliferation rate and apoptosis were significantly associated with the number of days on the diet (P = 0.049 and P = 0.017, respectively). The authors recommend further studies to determine the benefit of this dietary regimen on prostate cancer biology and associated biomarkers.
Authors: Demark-Wahnefried W, Price DT, Polascik TJ, Robertson CN, Anderson EE, Paulson DF, Walther PJ, Gannon M, Vollmer RT.
Source: Urology. Vol 58, no. 1: 47-52, July 2001.
Now this study was done on prostate cancer folks, but the reason it was done on them was to test test levels which were thought at one time to cause prostate problems. We now know it is high estrogen levels that contribute..but anyway...
A lowfat (20% of kilocalories or less), flaxseed supplemented (30 g/day) diet was ingested by 25 patients with prostate cancer awaiting prostatectomy for an average of 34 days (21 to 77 days). The baseline and follow-up levels of prostate specific antigen, testosterone, free androgen index, and total serum cholesterol were determined. The tumors of patients on the test diet were compared with those of historic cases. Significant decreases were observed in total serum cholesterol (201 +/ 39 mg/dL to 174 +/ 42 mg/dL), total testosterone (422 +/ 122 ng/dL to 360 +/ 128 ng/dL), and free androgen index (36.3%+/ 18.9% to 29.3%+/ 16.8%) (all P <0.05). The baseline and follow-up levels of prostate-specific antigen were 8.1 +/- 5.2 ng/mL and 8.5 +/-7.7 ng/mL, respectively, for the entire sample (P = 0.58); among men with Gleason sums of 6 or less (n = 19), the PSA values were 7.1 +/3.9 ng/mL and 6.4 +/4.1 ng/mL (P = 0.10). The mean proliferation index was 7.4 +/7.8 for the historic controls versus 5.0 +/4.9 for the diet treated patients (P = 0.05). Both the proliferation rate and apoptosis were significantly associated with the number of days on the diet (P = 0.049 and P = 0.017, respectively). The authors recommend further studies to determine the benefit of this dietary regimen on prostate cancer biology and associated biomarkers.
Authors: Demark-Wahnefried W, Price DT, Polascik TJ, Robertson CN, Anderson EE, Paulson DF, Walther PJ, Gannon M, Vollmer RT.
Source: Urology. Vol 58, no. 1: 47-52, July 2001.
JKurz1
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Pre bed, I use almonds and nuts in the raw for blended in my muscle milk or casein shake.........damn damn good! Esp. with sf syrup, splenda, ff sf cool whip! Mmmmmdevcon said:I know most people here know the importance of there EFA's, but flax oil is really not as great as an efa as you might believe. Yes it provides Omega-3(N3-PUFA) but there are the two types of omega-3 fatty acids:
Plant oils like flax seed oil contain alpha-linolenic acid (ALA), a short-chain omega-3 fatty acid(18 carbon short-chain fa).
Fish contain long-chain omega-3: eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) are 20 and 22 long-chain fatty acids.
The real problem is we can convert at most 9-10% of ALA into EPA and DHA. I have read studies of 0.2% conversion(Pawlosky et al.) The conversion in the body has shown different results in studies but, it's mostly inefficient.
I just wanted to gives a heads up for those using flax thinking they are getting a good balance and source of efa's. You already know you need them, just make sure you're not leaving any out!
Lifterforlife
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Ahhh, an improvement in omega 3 taste finally! Bacon!! Leave it to our reserachers 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189192,00.html
Leave it to our reserachers http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189192,00.html
