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Who here has stayed on anti-estrogens year round even while off?
- Thread starter Mike P.T.
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Ok I'll give this one a shot. I have not cycled for years and used anti estrogen's for months on end since. Sometimes for 4 months straight or longer. For this purpose i have used both Nolvades and Liquidex. All legit.
Here is what i found. I liked and still like Nolvadex in a 10-20mg dosage VASTLY more then i liked liquidex at .5mg daily or .25md daily. With Nolvadex my sex drive improved, face shrunk slightly and fat loss was a lot easier. Also after a month on Nolvadex Cardio got MUCH EASIER. Overall nolvadex improved my health and liquidex made my joints ache and can only imagine what it did to my cholesterol profile, where as Nolvadex improved it. So there.
PS.
I do feel that liqidex might be better during a cycle and all, especially when using high ammounts of test, but for longer term, off cycle usage Nolvadex can't be beaten, especially since it can halp resotre test production much like clomid.
Here is what i found. I liked and still like Nolvadex in a 10-20mg dosage VASTLY more then i liked liquidex at .5mg daily or .25md daily. With Nolvadex my sex drive improved, face shrunk slightly and fat loss was a lot easier. Also after a month on Nolvadex Cardio got MUCH EASIER. Overall nolvadex improved my health and liquidex made my joints ache and can only imagine what it did to my cholesterol profile, where as Nolvadex improved it. So there.
PS.
I do feel that liqidex might be better during a cycle and all, especially when using high ammounts of test, but for longer term, off cycle usage Nolvadex can't be beaten, especially since it can halp resotre test production much like clomid.
Charles Ray
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anti-e's for more than a year?? that's soo bad. novaldex converts into a tumor inducing compound and affects start to show after years of usage. I'd be careful if I were you.
naturally anabolic
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Charles Ray said:
I'd love to see the proof of this.
Thx gwl good advice but I think im leaning more towards Fonz's femera useage idea since I have it already and have been using it with really good results.
What do you think about running it for 2 months post cycle at 1.25mg eod just until test levels are estimated fully 100% back to normal?? During this phase as well I will be eating more clean and doing some moderate cardio to improve my cholesterol profile and my overall health and fitness.
What do you think about running it for 2 months post cycle at 1.25mg eod just until test levels are estimated fully 100% back to normal?? During this phase as well I will be eating more clean and doing some moderate cardio to improve my cholesterol profile and my overall health and fitness.
ROLGOR said:
It doesn't lower IGF-1 to my understanding as well as personally I feel on a mg for mg basis comparing it to arimidex it works much better in terms of less water bloat, thus less estrogen. I know nolvadex is the healthiest since it still allows for aromatization to occur thus letting the estrogen do it's good for cholesterol profile but being blocked from other receptors due to competetion from nolvadex.
mike1107
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I used arimidex .5 ed for 10 weeks while I was cutting and I saw a great change in the fat repartition of my body: I got cut easier and the fat arouond my waist which never wanted to go has gone whenI was using Arimidex...good shit to keep the oestrogen fat away if you tend to have
whatever when I was beginnig to use it I don't know why but my libido was increased...did it happen to anyone else ?
whatever when I was beginnig to use it I don't know why but my libido was increased...did it happen to anyone else ?
mike1107 said:
The reason is two-fold. 1st is becuase it blocks extra test to be converted into estrogen thus leaving it as test or being converted to dht. Second is because you lost bodyfat and the less bodyfat the less aromatization since this process mostly takes place in fat cells.
mike1107
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Mike P.T. said:
The reason is two-fold. 1st is becuase it blocks extra test to be converted into estrogen thus leaving it as test or being converted to dht. Second is because you lost bodyfat and the less bodyfat the less aromatization since this process mostly takes place in fat cells.
I knew the first reason,didn't know the second ... I love anti oestrogen
I like Aromasin during a cycle and Nolvadex for post-cycle.
Effect of letrozole on the lipid profile in postmenopausal women with breast cancer.
Eur J Cancer 2001 Aug;37(12):1510-3 (ISSN: 0959-8049)
Elisaf MS; Bairaktari ET; Nicolaides C; Kakaidi B; Tzallas CS; Katsaraki A; Pavlidis NA
Department of Internal Medicine, Medical School, University of Ioannina, GR 451 10 Ioannina, Greece. [email protected].
Hormonal therapy plays a central role in the overall treatment of breast cancer. Aromatase inhibitors can inhibit the aromatase enzyme system resulting in a reduction of oestrogens. Letrozole is a non-steroidal aromatase inhibitor that effectively blocks aromatase activity without interfering with adrenal steroid biosynthesis. The drug can significantly reduce the levels of plasma oestrogens, which remain suppressed throughout the treatment. Data are scarce concerning the influence of these drugs on serum lipid levels. In the present study, we evaluated the effects of letrozole on the serum lipid profile in postmenopausal women with breast cancer. A total of 20 patients with breast cancer were treated with letrozole, 2.5 mg once daily. After an overnight fast, serum lipid parameters (total cholesterol, high density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol, low density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, triglycerides, apolipoproteins A1, B and E and lipoprotein (a)) were measured before treatment and at 8 and 16 weeks afterwards. A significant increase in total cholesterol (P=0.05), LDL cholesterol (P<0.01) and apolipoprotein B levels (P=0.05) in the serum, as well as in the atherogenic risk ratios total cholesterol/HDL cholesterol (P<0.005) and LDL cholesterol/HDL cholesterol (P<0.005) was noticed after letrozole treatment. We conclude that letrozole administration in postmenopausal women with breast cancer has an unfavourable effect on the serum lipid profile.
Aromasin does not affect the lipid profile.
Effect of letrozole on the lipid profile in postmenopausal women with breast cancer.
Eur J Cancer 2001 Aug;37(12):1510-3 (ISSN: 0959-8049)
Elisaf MS; Bairaktari ET; Nicolaides C; Kakaidi B; Tzallas CS; Katsaraki A; Pavlidis NA
Department of Internal Medicine, Medical School, University of Ioannina, GR 451 10 Ioannina, Greece. [email protected].
Hormonal therapy plays a central role in the overall treatment of breast cancer. Aromatase inhibitors can inhibit the aromatase enzyme system resulting in a reduction of oestrogens. Letrozole is a non-steroidal aromatase inhibitor that effectively blocks aromatase activity without interfering with adrenal steroid biosynthesis. The drug can significantly reduce the levels of plasma oestrogens, which remain suppressed throughout the treatment. Data are scarce concerning the influence of these drugs on serum lipid levels. In the present study, we evaluated the effects of letrozole on the serum lipid profile in postmenopausal women with breast cancer. A total of 20 patients with breast cancer were treated with letrozole, 2.5 mg once daily. After an overnight fast, serum lipid parameters (total cholesterol, high density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol, low density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, triglycerides, apolipoproteins A1, B and E and lipoprotein (a)) were measured before treatment and at 8 and 16 weeks afterwards. A significant increase in total cholesterol (P=0.05), LDL cholesterol (P<0.01) and apolipoprotein B levels (P=0.05) in the serum, as well as in the atherogenic risk ratios total cholesterol/HDL cholesterol (P<0.005) and LDL cholesterol/HDL cholesterol (P<0.005) was noticed after letrozole treatment. We conclude that letrozole administration in postmenopausal women with breast cancer has an unfavourable effect on the serum lipid profile.
Aromasin does not affect the lipid profile.
wartime100
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I don't know if it is wise to never go off anti estrogens. They could have long term side effects. I don't think there is anything wrong with using them for long periods of time but not all year round.
Lumberg
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I don't think you can definitively say Letrozole (or other anti-es) hurt your blood lipid profile. One alternative theory:
not having any estrogen circulating in your body makes you feel like shit. Thus you tend to eat more "comfort foods" (foods high in fat and sugar) to elevate your mood. Boom, higher blood lipids.
So doctors will have to do a study where diet is strictly controlled both before and during anti-e therapy to rule out that factor.
JC
not having any estrogen circulating in your body makes you feel like shit. Thus you tend to eat more "comfort foods" (foods high in fat and sugar) to elevate your mood. Boom, higher blood lipids.
So doctors will have to do a study where diet is strictly controlled both before and during anti-e therapy to rule out that factor.
JC
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naturally anabolic
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SOLID said:
that A) only talks about endometrial cancer as being a problem, last time i checked i didnt have a uterus, so i will pass.
for the rest of my life i am to be on a regiment of 3 months Tamoxifen 20mg/day and then switch to 3months Arimidex 1mg/day
