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krishna

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I am still hovering between 9-10% bf while currently on tren/test cycle. I just started my 6th week and I want to drop more fat by the end of the cycle. I have tons of visible veins below the skin, but I can't get them to protrude. I've never done any kind of fat burner. My diet is very clean, but I seem to be stuck. I got down to 9%, but then I just got checked again and I'm closer to 10% now. WTF? Would t-rex be a good start? Would any of you recommend OTC's, or should I get something else?
 
Krishna, what up broham. I tried Lipo 6 and loved it. I'd take 2 caps, 3 times a day. Great results and I am loading up on more tomorrow. :Chef: :tuc:
 
krishna said:
I am still hovering between 9-10% bf while currently on tren/test cycle. I just started my 6th week and I want to drop more fat by the end of the cycle. I have tons of visible veins below the skin, but I can't get them to protrude. I've never done any kind of fat burner. My diet is very clean, but I seem to be stuck. I got down to 9%, but then I just got checked again and I'm closer to 10% now. WTF? Would t-rex be a good start? Would any of you recommend OTC's, or should I get something else?

Alternating clen / ECA every 2 weeks may give you the results you're looking for.
 
stuck said:
Alternating clen / ECA every 2 weeks may give you the results you're looking for.

I've been thinking about AG-guys liquiclen. I've seen ECA mentioned a few times, but am not really familiar with it. More info would be appreciated.
 
krishna said:
Is that OTC?
Yes it is. It's the strongest, legal supplement availble for fat-burning IMO. Personally I would rather use something OTC for fat lose just to be on the safe side. I may try Clen soon just to, well, try it I guess. If you want some diet help PM me and I can set you up. If you do pm me, give stats.
:Chef: :tuc:
 
krishna said:
I've been thinking about AG-guys liquiclen. I've seen ECA mentioned a few times, but am not really familiar with it. More info would be appreciated.

Everyone reacts differently to stimulants. But FOR ME, as long as I start at a low dose and ramp up...Liquiclen has almost no sides. Good results too. I like Yohimburn ES a lot also. I'm in the middle of a cutter myself and running both.
 
krishna said:
I've been thinking about AG-guys liquiclen. I've seen ECA mentioned a few times, but am not really familiar with it. More info would be appreciated.


The AG-Guys clen is great, I'm running it right now.

ECA is Ephedrine, Caffeine and Aspirin, basically a thermogenic stack. Substitute Thermorexin and a bigass cup of coffee and you'll get a suitable substitute.

So you run the clen for 2 weeks, ramping up 20mg doses daily as your tolerance builds till you reach your "optimum" level then run that for the remainder. Then switch to the thermo stack for the next 2 weeks for your receptors to recover from the clen. Repeat. Good stuff!
 
chefbone said:
Krishna, what up broham. I tried Lipo 6 and loved it. I'd take 2 caps, 3 times a day. Great results and I am loading up on more tomorrow. :Chef: :tuc:

hey chef, where can I read up on lipo 6? I assume it is a stimulant?
 
Lipo 6 and San tight have Gugglesterones in them:



First the study that it raises cholesterol and now this study.

Why are people still putting this in supplements?


Mol Pharmacol. 2005 Mar;67(3):948-54. Epub 2004 Dec 15. Related Articles, Links


The hypolipidemic natural product guggulsterone is a promiscuous steroid receptor ligand.

Burris TP, Montrose C, Houck KA, Osborne HE, Bocchinfuso WP, Yaden BC, Cheng CC, Zink RW, Barr RJ, Hepler CD, Krishnan V, Bullock HA, Burris LL, Galvin RJ, Bramlett K, Stayrook KR.

Lilly Research Laboratories, Lilly Corporate Center, Indianapolis, IN 46285, USA. [email protected]

Guggulsterone (GS) is the active substance in guggulipid, an extract of the guggul tree, Commiphora mukul, used to treat a variety of disorders in humans, including dyslipidemia, obesity, and inflammation. The activity of GS has been suggested to be mediated by antagonism of the receptor for bile acids, the farnesoid X receptor (FXR). Here, we demonstrate that both stereoisomers of the plant sterol, (E)- and (Z)-GS, bind to the steroid receptors at a much higher affinity than to FXR. Both stereoisomers bind to the mineralocorticoid receptor (MR) with a Ki value of approximately 35 nM, which is greater than 100 times more potent than their affinity for FXR. Both (E)- and (Z)-GS also displayed high affinity for other steroid receptors, including the androgen (AR), glucocorticoid (GR), and progesterone receptors (PR) with Ki values ranging from 224 to 315 nM. In cell-based functional cotransfection assays, GSs behaved as antagonists of AR, GR, and MR, but as agonists of PR. Agonist activity was also demonstrated with estrogen receptor (ER) alpha; however, the potency was very low (EC50 > 5000 nM). In addition, GS displayed activity in functional assays in cell lines expressing endogenous AR, GR, ER, and PR. These data suggest that the variety of pharmacological effects exhibited by GS may be mediated by targeting several steroid receptors.
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JAMA. 2003 Aug 13;290(6):765-72. Related Articles, Links


Comment in:
JAMA. 2003 Dec 3;290(21):2800-1; author reply 2801.
JAMA. 2003 Dec 3;290(21):2800; author reply 2801.

Guggulipid for the treatment of hypercholesterolemia: a randomized controlled trial.

Szapary PO, Wolfe ML, Bloedon LT, Cucchiara AJ, DerMarderosian AH, Cirigliano MD, Rader DJ.

Department of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, Philadelphia 19104-6021, USA. [email protected]

CONTEXT: Herbal extracts from Commiphora mukul (guggul) have been widely used in Asia as cholesterol-lowering agents, and their popularity is increasing in the United States. Recently, guggulsterones, the purported bioactive compounds of guggul, have been shown to be potent antagonists of 2 nuclear hormone receptors involved in cholesterol metabolism, establishing a plausible mechanism of action for the hypolipidemic effects of these extracts. However, there are currently no published safety or efficacy data on the use of guggul extracts in Western populations. OBJECTIVE: To study the short-term safety and efficacy of 2 doses of a standardized guggul extract (guggulipid, containing 2.5% guggulsterones) in healthy adults with hyperlipidemia eating a typical Western diet. DESIGN: Double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial using a parallel design, conducted March 2000-August 2001. PARTICIPANTS AND SETTING: A total of 103 ambulatory, community-dwelling, healthy adults with hypercholesterolemia in the Philadelphia, Pa, metropolitan area. INTERVENTION: Oral, 3 times daily doses of standard-dose guggulipid (1000 mg), high-dose guggulipid (2000 mg), or matching placebo. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Percentage change in levels of directly measured low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) after 8 weeks of therapy. Secondary outcome measures included levels of total cholesterol, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C), triglycerides, and directly measured very low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (VLDL-C), as well as adverse events reports and laboratory safety measures including electrolyte levels and hepatic and renal function. RESULTS: Compared with participants randomized to placebo (n = 36), in whom levels of LDL-C decreased by 5%, both standard-dose guggulipid (n = 33) and high-dose guggulipid (n = 34) raised levels of LDL-C by 4% (P =.01 vs placebo) and 5% (P =.006 vs placebo), respectively, at 8 weeks, for a net positive change of 9% to 10%. There were no significant changes in levels of total cholesterol, HDL-C, triglycerides, or VLDL-C in response to treatment with guggulipid in the intention-to-treat analysis. While guggulipid was generally well tolerated, 6 participants treated with guggulipid developed a hypersensitivity rash compared with none in the placebo group. CONCLUSIONS: Despite plausible mechanisms of action, guggulipid did not appear to improve levels of serum cholesterol over the short term in this population of adults with hypercholesterolemia, and might in fact raise levels of LDL-C. Guggulipid also appeared to cause a dermatologic hypersensitivity reaction in some patients.

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