When to start Clomid & Nol. after Test Cycle?

[richspc]

Doing a short cycle 10-12 wks.max.
250mgs.Deca Wk.1-5 with
400mgs. Test E wk.1-10/12 only.
I have Clomid and Nol. for Pct. When should I start to take these anti-e, after my last injection of the Test? and what amounts of each? I read on other threads on this site, than hcg would not be necessary for a cycle like this. Read 800mgs.per wk. or less with a short cycle 10-12 wks.,that hcg would not be necessary? But I do have Tribulus, zma, and Animal Stak2 that I can take to get the boys back up. You input -thanks, bros.

 

[steelmass]

Start Nolva like 5 days after your last test shot... HCG is only necessary in long cycles, but I consider 12 weeks to be a long time. You will benefit from it. Its not how much you take, its how long you take it. Even 200mg will shut you down and once ur shut down you need to upregulate your receptors to LH.

HCG 500 IU EOD week 11-12 (on 12 week cycle)
AIFM ED Week 11-12
Nolva 20mg ED Week 13-15
Clomid 150,100 - 50 Week 13-15

 

[steelmass]

Throw in all your tribulus and other supps starting with nolvadex on week 13 cuz you'll need a pick-me-up

 

[cyrex]

I disagree. I think it would be best to start PCT about 2 weeks after last injection since Test E has a half life of about 14 days. By this time the bloodlevels should begin to decline. Starting earlier may slow any last minute gains and also cause PCT to stop too soon

 

[Apexx]

I disagree. I think it would be best to start PCT about 2 weeks after last injection since Test E has a half life of about 14 days. By this time the bloodlevels should begin to decline. Starting earlier may slow any last minute gains and also cause PCT to stop too soon

I agree, no sense in starting pct before your test levels begin to decline.

 

[sweed]

from the good hands of Jenetic , 7-10 days after last injection for long esters.... 1-3 days for short ones

 

[Apexx]

from the good hands of Jenetic , 7-10 days after last injection for long esters.... 1-3 days for short ones

Now that you bring it up, I do remember him saying that. Not that I'm knocking Jenetic because probably knows more than 3/4 of this board combined, but I can't see how that makes any sense. At 7-10 days, your test levels are still very high. I know it won't hurt to start then, but to me it looks like you would be running a longer pct for no reason.

Somebody kick some knowledge to me.

 

[shortspanishguy]

Ive always started 14 days after for Test E. I think this is appropriate.

 

[sweed]

Now that you bring it up, I do remember him saying that. Not that I'm knocking Jenetic because probably knows more than 3/4 of this board combined, but I can't see how that makes any sense. At 7-10 days, your test levels are still very high. I know it won't hurt to start then, but to me it looks like you would be running a longer pct for no reason.

Somebody kick some knowledge to me.

"On average, begin PCT approximately 5-10 days after your last injection regardless of longer acting esters. Begin PCT 1-3 days after your last injection and/or intake when using short acting esters.

Keep in mind, pituitary LH secretion automatically increases as the hormones diminish from your system. The elevated androgen levels are from an exogenous source and your endogenous production is suppressed. Therefore, waiting for the exogenous androgens to completely clear from your system, ultimately results in lower total concentrations of androgens in your system when beginning PCT. This leads to an unfavorable andgrogen:estrogen ratio and the well known “crash” effect."

Thats what he said and he has a good explanation. not knockin u either good bor. Thats what I have been doing and it doing good.