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(When) Do you think the human race will defeat the aging process?

When will the human race defeat the aging process?

  • This century, within the next 100 years

    Votes: 59 32.4%
  • In the next 300 years

    Votes: 35 19.2%
  • In the next 1000 years

    Votes: 12 6.6%
  • In the next 5000 years

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • Never, the aging process is hardwired in to all living tissue and cannot be defeated

    Votes: 73 40.1%

  • Total voters
    182
Ok, consider this. Humans in the Western world now live about 2 1/2 times longer than our original human ancestors. Advances in medicine are continuing to increase our life expectancy constantly. There is now limited but considerable research going on to defeat/halt or even reverse the aging process in humans. When do you think this will be achieved to the degree that human beings would no longer die of old age. In that way those humans would be immortal in the sense that they need not die of old age as now, but not invincible to death by accident, disease, etc.

hardgainer (!)
 
Well, it is hard to say. My mom is a Ph.D. who is doing research on something called "Program Cell Death". Basically, what happens is everytime your cells split to form new cells a tiny bit of DNA is lost in the division. Eventually, enough information is lost so that your cells cannot replicate anymore and you are "hard-wired" to die. Research is being done to reduce the loss of DNA in these divisions.

With stem cell research, and new technologies I think we will definitely be able to extend human life, but I don't think we can ever conquer death.

If we could, I think 5,000 years or even more would probably be the best assumption. You have to realize that there have been many de-evolutions in mankinds history (i.e. roman empire ---> middle ages) that could get in the way of progress. Even assuming these problems did not occur, the body is a machine - it wears down. What happens when the brain wears down? Can we even record the information stored in one's brain and transfer it to another one?

There are too many questions to answer this even with an educational guess right now, IMO.

There's my 2 cents.
 
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I hear you LeviathonX. The telomere(sp) loss is the latest buzz. It's probably just part of the puzzle.

Can we even record the information stored in one's brain and transfer it to another one?

What information? I've decided that it's time to come up with an alternate theory for information storage. It is: "Human memory is stored in space and time at the point where it occurs". Don't ask me what it means. That's for PHD's to figure out.
 
We discussed this topic in psychology and philosophy classes, and basically the difference between computer memory and human memory is that computer memory is stored sequentially (in series); whereas, human memory is stored in parallel. In other words, humans use sensory cues to recall multiple pieces of information at once to form a thought (i.e. those optical illusion puzzles that look like something when you stare at them).

The problem is, it is hard to tell if everyone recalls in the same way using the same neural pathways. If they don't, then there can never be a standard way of "recording" one's thoughts.
 
This is fascinating stuff to me. If programmed cell death can be delayed, then that would at least give the individual time to make decisions regarding life expectancy in conjunction with lifelong goals. It seems like overpopulation is going to be a real issue in the near future (perhaps for our children). If we have longer lifespans then food shortages, etc. might be more realistic. To combat that (as well as to possibly extend the lifespan perhaps) it might be interesting to find out the hormone cascade responsible for mammal hibernation...that way we could all live in an overpopulated world yet still be able to maintain food supplies etc.

Maybe it's too much sci-fi though :)
 
BackDoc said:
This is fascinating stuff to me. If programmed cell death can be delayed, then that would at least give the individual time to make decisions regarding life expectancy in conjunction with lifelong goals. It seems like overpopulation is going to be a real issue in the near future (perhaps for our children). If we have longer lifespans then food shortages, etc. might be more realistic. To combat that (as well as to possibly extend the lifespan perhaps) it might be interesting to find out the hormone cascade responsible for mammal hibernation...that way we could all live in an overpopulated world yet still be able to maintain food supplies etc.

Maybe it's too much sci-fi though :)

Too much sci-fi NEVER!!! hehe I think you have a great idea.... Also I am sure for food shortage we will come up with a crazy way of generating food... like in Star Treck... Talk into this little mic and *PUFF* you have yourself a nice juicy steak :chomp:
 
Hehehe! If I had one of those little mikes that gives you whatever food you speak I'd never have a problem with bulking!:) But then again, I'd never rip up either...:(
 
Honestly, I think overpopulation will not be a major problem within 200-300 years because governments will start regulating how many children parents will be allowed to have. Most likely 2 children per family, because that will lead to 0 population growth.

I believe this to be an inevitable result of improvements in health science and life expectancies, but at the same time this is not a new political strategy of dealing with overpopulation. It is being used all around the world a this time in many countries with "overflowing" populations.

Mammal hibernation would be interesting to research, but probably not very productive. The reason mammals that hibernate are able to survive on so little food is because their body function slow to a "snail's pace". It would be very unproductive to have human's hibernate, and this is probably the only method from a biological perspective to allow humans to survive on so little.

At the same time, many humans gain enjoyment from food so this would only have a use in a military or space exploration sense.

As far as Star Trek replicators (I know... I'm a nerd who actually remembers the name of the things) are concerned, the only method I can envision this being accomplished is by converting energy to matter, and then rearranging the matter. It would be extremely hard to store a large amount of diverse matter molecules. This can be accomplished (essentially the opposite effect of the atom bomb), but it is very unstable.

I would like to see the invention of transporter pods, that would change the face of the world, and every economy in a very short amount of time.
 
We'll probably devise the secret of eternal youth the day before the human race becomes extinct-as every dominant life form on this planet has at some point in its development.
 
Thanks for the great link booger. I wonder what that means for humans in the future regarding what it specified. Very interesting!
 
Well, I am pleased I have sparked a discussion with this thread. A couple of thoughts that I have, I think overpopulation will become a mahor problem much earlier than 200-300 years from now, that is if it isn't a problem already.

I think the main shortage is going to be a shortage of fresh water which will be more problematic and already is in some parts of the world than a shortage of food.

hardgainer (my $0.02)
 
I'm not too worried about freshwater. Water never truly disappears, it gets recycled and "cleaned" by bacteria if we don't overstrain the cleaning/regeneration process. People seem to think the ocean is a vast dumpground. That could become a HUGE problem. If sea life dies...we die. Simple.
 
Subtile

I think you posted this on another link. But it doesn't matter if humans defeat/slow down the aging process. If you get hit by a car you'll be just as dead. Until they figure out how to hardwire us, replace our physical structure with goretex, kevlar, stainless steel, and the like we'll always be in 'deep shit'.
 
yes i did post that link before and I totally agree with you.. We could get killed by accident etc.. Nobody found out how to repair a person who have been thrugh a blender
:bright:
 
You may want to consider that although the human body isn't made of any permanent sturctures it is renewable. Our body regrows and as we age this regeneration progress gets weaker and flawed. This might be the key to anti-aging or living forever.

hardgainer (bump)
 
well this doctor alex chiu sure knows how to milk from the ignorant, I feel you can never prevent aging, thus live forever but you can slow it down, just look at clarence bass and albert beckles.:angel:
 
Geneticists have already been able to extend the life of common flies by 4x through the manipultion of the p21 gene. The human genome is definiately more complicted and extensive then a flies but now that we have mapped the human genome, the possibilities are there.
 
Very bloody soon imo.

THey key is that we humans are not really very good with coming up with new things and we are much much better at adapting things to novel solutions.

Life extension actually appears to be by most-all acoounts to be a lot simplier that we thought in the past. Telomeres are a nice and simple mechanism that can be regenerated by telomerase (the telomere enzyme). Not only is telomerase simple enouf for us to use today it is also simple to use.
The beauty of telomeres in tissue is that the receptor is there but switched off.

There are other mechanisms at work in the body system as well.. the Growth Hormone subsystem accounts and compliments the telomere system to a very useful degree.

Animals can and do regenerate limbs and other body parts.. they can do it so therefore so can we ..

There is a small form of life that can be torm apart on the molucular level by radiation yet recompose it's DNA afterwards.

When it will be delivered to your doorstep before the others that live in your street/city/country is another question.
 
Nice thread, I have been thinking about this topic very often lately. My guess is that we are, at most, 50 years away from being able to get the potential of living forever. I mean, I think in a couple of decades cloning and tissue engineering would be ready to do their jobs. The idea is, for example, that if your kidneys starts to fail, what you just have to do is go to the lab and then they will get your DNA sequence and then they will produce a new kidney for you. And it would work for all the organs, except for the brain. If you substitute your the brain, you are substituting YOU, so you die, lol. But I bet that in the near future there will be drugs that will perfectly heal the brain.


And lets not forget that scientific advances evolves in a exponential speed. Maybe in 50 years living forever would be even much more easier and simpler then what I just described in the first paragraph.
 
It's already been done.
They aren't going to tell the world are they, there'd be riots in the streets demanding treatment!
 
As mentioned before, your brain would limit life expectancy since brain tissue is not regenerated when it is damaged or dies.

The parts of the DNA that are lost are called Telomeres but they aren't the only thing that stop cells dividing after a certain time.

The human skeleton is only "designed" to last about 50 tears in good condition.

I think extending life to 200 years may be possible at some point, but probably not much further than that, humans are limited creatures, there is only so much that we can know or understand after all we are only animals that have evloved to live in caves and catch other animals for dinner.

Anyway if we lifed for thousands of years we would spend our whole lives inside terrified that we may have some sort of accident.

The human brain is the most complex device in the known universe, it has more possible neural pathways than there are electrons in the universe! I don't think we are capable of ever fully understanding it or even capable of building a computer that can (as the computer would need to be more complex than the brain).

The only true immortality is the fact that we pass on genetic material to our offspring.

thats my ramble over.
 
xanax is unbelieveable for reducing anxiety and stree but it is extremely addictive even after taking it just like 10 times. Valerian root is crap. I took some garbage sleep shit that had valerian in it. It gave me a bad stomach ache and the next morning I felt like I drank 15 beers. 5HTP doesn't make me sleep. It doesn't calm me down either, it sort of makes me concentrate more like adderall does, and it keeps me up. Theres no way I would ever take it on a regular basis or take it during the day. It also gives me extreme constipation which sucks real bad. The only advantage is I have insomnia and sometimes I only get 3-4 hours of sleep, and when I wake up after haven taken 100 mg of 5htp I feel like I just slept for 10 restful hours. I don't know if this is just my experience with this stuff or what. I think it has something to do with the seritonnin that this stuff creates that helps to get your body into the REM stage of sleep which makes you relaxed and stress free the following day.
 
The human race is evolving at an excellerating pace to the point of no longer needing a physical body. We are after all spiritual beings of light! This has nothing to do with earthly (Man's) religion but the universal connection that we ALL share. The change from physical to spiritual is happening Now and is rapidly excellerating!

This may be as soon as 100 years from now but the time is not really important. THE FACT IS THAT WE ALL ARE BEINGS OF LIGHT and therfore never end. We have all been in existance since the creator thought of us and we will be here always!

Love to you all,
 
"And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them." - Revelations Chapter 9, verse 6
 
The human race is evolving at an excellerating pace to the point of no longer needing a physical body. We are after all spiritual beings of light! This has nothing to do with earthly (Man's) religion but the universal connection that we ALL share. The change from physical to spiritual is happening Now and is rapidly excellerating!

This may be as soon as 100 years from now but the time is not really important. THE FACT IS THAT WE ALL ARE BEINGS OF LIGHT and therfore never end. We have all been in existance since the creator thought of us and we will be here always!

Love to you all,

Hmmm... Sounds interesting
 
The human race is evolving at an excellerating pace to the point of no longer needing a physical body. We are after all spiritual beings of light! This has nothing to do with earthly (Man's) religion but the universal connection that we ALL share. The change from physical to spiritual is happening Now and is rapidly excellerating!

This may be as soon as 100 years from now but the time is not really important. THE FACT IS THAT WE ALL ARE BEINGS OF LIGHT and therfore never end. We have all been in existance since the creator thought of us and we will be here always!

Love to you all,


---------> Bible thumping nut case <------------
 
The darth vader human will exsist in this 20 years. The combo of synthetic protiens, the protien fibers reflect muscle fibers. When they receive electricity they contract. Now others have proven our mind can control robotic arms by taping into the nerves contained in our arm. :) USA Military has a contract for suits made of syn muscle fibers so our soldiers can be super human in the amount of weight they can carry, lift of move. Might stop bullets too.
 
Actually over population wouldn't be a problem. I don't remember where I saw the study, but someone did an in-depth statisticall analysis on this subject. The conclusion was that even if we were all to have an average biological limit of 1000 years, most people would live on average just 17 more years older than they would have otherwise. The reason is simple, most people would still die because of the stupid shit they die of today, obesity, car crashes, drug OD, steriod use (Just Kidding!).
 
yes its a perfect relationship

the distance barrier can also disappear when life span is increased.

proof: if you lived for 5 hundred years then would you consider a 20 year trip to Mars?
 
dutch-bolex said:
Nice thread, I have been thinking about this topic very often lately. My guess is that we are, at most, 50 years away from being able to get the potential of living forever. I mean, I think in a couple of decades cloning and tissue engineering would be ready to do their jobs. The idea is, for example, that if your kidneys starts to fail, what you just have to do is go to the lab and then they will get your DNA sequence and then they will produce a new kidney for you. And it would work for all the organs, except for the brain. If you substitute your the brain, you are substituting YOU, so you die, lol. But I bet that in the near future there will be drugs that will perfectly heal the brain.


And lets not forget that scientific advances evolves in a exponential speed. Maybe in 50 years living forever would be even much more easier and simpler then what I just described in the first paragraph.


i agree..
 
hey then consider this..

Medical science is a growing science
all you need in say 20 years is a way to extend healthy lifespan for 10 years and then in that duration of ten years in a progressively expanding science will provide a manner to extend it a further 20.

its simple really.

like checkers
 
What do you nuggas think about Resveratrol (found in Red Wine)?

* The New York Times has reported that a class of chemicals that could make humans live longer, known as resveratrol, is found in red wines, especially those grown in cool climates. The finding is another clue in the puzzle of the French paradox, the fact that the French live as long as anyone else, despite the consumption of food thought to be bad for the heart.

According to the report, the chemical mimics the effect of a very low-calorie diet, which is known to help rodents live longer. The report said that human life spans could be increased by 30% if humans respond to the chemical the way rats and mice do to a low-calorie diet.

Resveratrol is synthesized by plants in response to stress, like a lack of nutrients, a fungal infection or cool temperatures. It exists in the skin of both red and white grapes but is found in amounts 10 times higher in red wine because of differences in the manufacturing processes. Besides resveratrol, another class of chemical found to mimic caloric restriction is that of the flavones, found abundantly in olive oil.
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Red wine contains an ingredient called resveratrol that, in the lab, caused cancer cells to die off in an early stage of the cancer process, report doctors from the Lineberger Cancer Center in Chapel Hill, North Carolina (Cancer Research, 7/00).

Earlier studies indicate that the same substance may also protect against heart disease. In addition to red grapes, other foods high in resveratrol include raspberries, peanuts, and mulberries.
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In a series of laboratory experiments, they discovered that certain types of molecules, called polyphenols, could extend the life of yeast by 70 per cent. These polyphenols are found in foods such as red wine, olive oil, fruits and vegetables. On further investigation it was found that the most potent polyphenol was resveratrol - found in red wine - which helped yeast cells live as much as 60-80 per cent longer. Quercetin, another polyphenol, found in olive oil, had a similar effect.

Polyphenols are already recognised as having antioxidant benefits and as being helpful in the battle against illnesses such as heart disease and cancer, but the new study adds to this knowledge and suggests that certain ones could have additional properties.

When yeast and laboratory worms are fed a restricted calorie diet, their speed of ageing is slowed and they have extended lifespans. It has been found that restricting their diet increases the activity of a certain family of enzymes called sirtuins. The researchers say that polyphenols appear to stimulate these sirtuin enzymes and extend the organism's lifespan. Their experiments showed that 17 molecules stimulated a human sirtuin called SIRT1 and a yeast sirtuin called Sir2.

"We think sirtuins buy cells time to repair damage," said molecular biologist David Sinclair, assistant professor of pathology at Harvard Medical School. "There is a growing realisation from the ageing field that blocking cell death - as long as it doesn't lead to cancer - extends life span."

His co-author, Konrad Howitz, director of molecular biology at BIOMOL, said,"The sirtuin stimulation provided by certain, but not all, polyphenols may be a far more important biological effect than their antioxidant effect."

Other species, such as mammals, are already known to live longer when their calorie intake is restricted. The researchers theory is that plant polyphenols may increase in response to stressful conditions and stimulate sirtuins in a bid for survival - a hypothesis they term xenohormesis.

"The sirtuin enzymes are found in almost every species, including plants, fungi and humans," explained Dr. Sinclair. "Their role seems to be to protect cells from damage and keep them alive, which results in less disease and longer life."

"Humans have seven sirtuins (SIRT 1-7) and the hope is that they also function to protect our cells and prevent disease. But it is too early to say for sure. At the very least, the study suggests a new line of research that may eventually lead to a major advance in medicine."

Although resveratrol was the most effective, Dr. Sinclair says quercetin, which is found in foods such as onions, apples, tea, berries, olives, broccoli and lettuce, is also promising. "The molecule seems to have many health benefits in lowering cholesterol, preventing blood cells from sticking together similarly to aspirin, and suppressing cancer in rodents," he explained.

"Although there is still a long way to go from simple organisms to humans, this study has brought the possibility of delaying age-related diseases with a pill to a point where we can say, as scientists, it is a real possibility. The discovery points to a new line of research into drugs that could one day make people significantly healthier in their old age," he said.

He was keen to emphasise that any work would focus on improving health, not manipulating genetics. "We will only make people live longer by making them healthier. We are mimicking calorie restriction which, in rats and monkeys, slows diseases of old age, including heart disease, osteoporosis and cancer," he said.

The next stage is to start testing on mice. If that proves successful and the mice do live longer, then Dr. Sinclair says he anticipates, "starting human trials sometime shortly thereafter."

"These findings are interesting and may help us to understand the health benefits of particular types of food. However further research is needed before we know to what extent they can be applied to humans."

Dr Rebecca Small,
associate medical director
BUPA Group

What does this mean?
Commenting on the findings, Dr. Hannah Theobald, a nutrition scientist at the British Nutrition Foundation said, "A lot more research needs to be conducted before these findings can be translated to humans, but it is an exciting finding."

"Polyphenols are produced by plants in response to attack by viruses, fungi and bacteria," she explained. "They exhibit antioxidant properties and may help protect against some cancers and heart disease. Resveratrol is found in red wine, red grape juice and peanuts, while flavones are found in olive oil."

One of the aspects highlighted by the research, and perhaps the factor most applicable to people today, is that it adds to the idea of consuming a Mediterranean-style diet - which tends to be rich in olive oil, red wine and fresh fruits and vegetables.

"There is a plethora of research suggesting that Mediterranean-type diets are associated with lower rates of chronic disease, such as cardiovascular disease and certain cancers," said Hannah. "This research adds further weight to this and offers a new potential mechanism whereby diets rich in olive oil, fruits and vegetables, cereals, grains and moderate amounts of wine may offer protection and increase longevity."

Similarly, Belinda Linden, head of medical information at the British Heart Foundation, said, "Mediterranean diets can be healthy as they include a high level of fruit and vegetables and we also know that moderate alcohol consumption (1-2 units per day) may have a protective effect against coronary heart disease."

However, she warned, "We also need to keep in mind that, while it is nice to enjoy a drink on occasions, too much alcohol can have an adverse affect on the heart."

Amanda Wynne, spokesperson for the British Dietetic Association, said, "It will be interesting to see more research in this area, especially on humans."

A C T I O N P O I N T S
Aim for a healthy lifestyle, with a balanced nutritious diet and plenty of exercise.

Enjoy alcohol, such as red wine, on occasions, but avoid drinking too regularly or binge drinking.

Avoid taking supplements where possible, and instead aim to obtain essential nutrients from a healthy diet.

What does this mean to me?
With no quick-fix anti-ageing pill available and no guarantees that one will become available in the future, preparing for old age and limiting the risks of related illnesses largely comes down to looking after your health.

"There is good evidence that a diet based on lots of fruits, vegetables and whole grain cereals is conducive to good health and will reduce the risk of developing cancer and heart disease in the longer term," explained Amanda Wynne.

"Light to moderate consumption of wine does confer to some protective effect against diseases such as coronary heart disease," she added. "Advice is, however, to keep within the sensible drinking guidelines, so no more than 2-3 units a day for women and no more than 3-4 units a day for men. Have some drink-free days too, and avoid binge drinking."

Although some supplements containing resveratrol and quercetin are available, "at the current time we cannot recommend taking supplements as there is no evidence that these will be effective or safe," advises Amanda. "Dietary strategies are definitely the best approach."

Summary
The American longevity research is certainly proving interesting, but as it's still in its early stages much more research is needed before it will be clear whether or not this can be applied to humans. In the meantime, it does highlight the benefits of a Mediterranean-style diet - something that can be applied to life today.
 
With Biotechnology and Nanotechnology advances, Id say withint the next 20 years we will have seriously Slowed down aging processes. Then when Nanotechnology matures. Combine this with the biotech, We will basicly become immortal.

Our health will be Constantly monitored by Computer chips. Diseases such as cancer wont even get to the stage where you feel side effects. It will be detected At very early stages.

Also we have robotics... and AI. Guys there is a lot more going on in science than most of you here realize... We do know that it is possible with Gene expression to get mice to live Equivelent to 500 human years. Its definitly within reach, id say before 2050 we will have totally conqurered and aging and be able to reverse it.


Over population you say? i'll say what ray Kurzweil said. Have you took a train trip around the country lately? There is plenty of space left yet. Also With Space Exploration and private enterprises now looking to explore space and build hotels in space. Colonizing of the moon to start before 2020. There is Enought * SPACE * for us to fit in... lol plenty !

I would recommend a book to you guys, called Fantastic Voyage : live long enough to live forever. Ray kurzweil

brilliant book, good health tips.

just stay off the McDonalds and you'll be fine !

listen to this , it is right on subject
http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2004/07/20040712_b_main.asp

Kurzweil is a legendary dynamo of human innovation. He's founded nine businesses in everything from speech recognition to artificial intelligence. Now Ray Kurzweil's restless mind is focused on human life.

Immortality is just around the corner, according to Kurzweil. The super-charged convergence of biology, computing, and nanotechnology, he says, is about to radically extend human life. And it may be just a matter of a couple of decades, not centuries, before the human lifespan becomes essentially unlimited-- not 100 but many centuries.

Tune in to hear techologist Ray Kurzweil talk about his how-to-achieve the unlimited human lifespan guide.
 
Gel said:
It's already been done.
They aren't going to tell the world are they, there'd be riots in the streets demanding treatment!

I hate conspiracy theories! Christ, the president can't even keep it a secret when he gets a blow job -- which only 2 people knew -- and you think there are 100 mpg carbs, solar powered cars, cures for cancer, aging and AIDS that we don't know about.

I wish there were a cure for stupidity. I'd buy you some. :rolleyes:
 
Curing human aging will not happen in our lifetimes in my opinion. I would imagine most of you, like me, were born in the early 1980s, so most of you are probably about 21 years old. Most of us will likely experience a moderate increase in lifespan but not immortality by any means.

That said, I do believe life extension will happen, and I would not be surprised if we begin to see the average age of death go up slightly.

The major hurdle over which we must leap is that we do not have a solution to cellular senescense. Contrary to popular belief, modern medicine has not done anything to stop this process. Instead, medicine has only palliated symptoms associated with aging, which in turn has allowed humans to remain alive longer in the latter parts of senescense. What many people do not realize is that even some 10,000 years since the end of the pleistocene, human cellular aging continues to begin at about age 35. The distinction between then and now is simply a function of palliation. We have a large body of interventional methods that allow particular risks for CVD and NIDDM to be significantly reduced, but this is not changing anything at a cellular or molecular level. Also, individuals then experienced increased levels of exogenous mortality which ultimately resulted in shorter lifespans. Today, some of this is much more diminutive.

Many individuals on this board thus far have pointed to research that deals with cellular aging including but not limited to telomerase length and its relationship to programmed cell death. Others have pointed to pq28 as a source. I am well aware of this research; however, I do not believe that the current approach is holistic enough to tackle a process as complex as aging. Scientific research today deals with signalling pathways and transduction mechanisms which are infinitely miniscule. Without some mechanism by which to collectively understand the aging process, it could take millenia before the process is fully understood. Imagine yourself trying to decode the Egyptian hieroglyphics without having discovered the Rosetta stone. Would this have even been possible? The human genome was a major step; however, so little is known about what the exact synergistic effects of many genes are that it is difficult to imagine the process of human aging, which likely involves several thousand processes, being untangled in a few decades from now. Unless science can think more collectively and holistically, I do not foresee this problem being solved anytime soon. There is often little collaboration on the part of scientists about how each of their work could be integrated. I have only seen one professor at Cambridge who has taken a more collaborative approach to aging.

Clearly, gimics like rHGH and other steroids are not a panacea and will not stop celluar aging much to the chagrin of many individuals who use them.

Turtles do live to be 200 years old, largely because they naturally age slowly. The reason for this is, of course, because they have limited exogenous mortality, which evolutionarily has benefited them tremendously in terms of cellular senescense. However, there is no possible way for us to limit exogenous mortality to the point where we can effectively and "naturally" increase human lifespans.

Even so, I believe that in the next few years we will see major advancements in the development of technology, either nanotechnology or otherwise, which will help biomedical engineers extend lifespans, but I doubt it will target cellular senescense. I suspect lifespans could reach 100+ in our lifetimes as an "average" age, but I do not expect that our lives will be able to be extended much beyond this. The pace with which scientific research happens is often largely a function of funding, and although CA passed $3 billion to fund stem cell research, I do not believe this will be the "key" to cellular aging.

Nonetheless, I do not believe this is a source of pessimism. Instead, I was rather shocked to discover how many people on this board truly wish to live indefinitely, an idea that is personally disturbing to me on many levels. Obviously increased lifespans to an extent would be enjoyable, but indefinite life spans are probably not a good idea.
 
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Good post and points you made.

First of all we all realize that its likely that aging can be stopped in living things.

by blocking certain genes in MICE we have been able to make them live equivilent to 500 Human years. So we do know its possible to slow down aging, right?

I Definitly would like to have a CHOICE, when i want to die? does that sound fair? Or mabey i would like to be frozen for a while and brough back in the future. like a long sleep or something.

I personaly do not believe in a god, therefor i plan on doing what i can to try and live aslong as possible. I am 20 years old and i believe we may be the last generation to die or we may be the first immortal generation, either 1. Science is advancing fast, and its accelerating.

Im gonna make a prediction that within 10years from now, we will be able to stop or reverse aging in MICE and about 15-25 years later we will be able to stop or significantly slow aging so much that it will give science enough time to give us results.

I would recommend a book that just was released. its called

Fantastic Vouyage: Live long enough to Live forever
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1579549543/103-7950421-7741408?v=glance

Its a very good book, If any of you pick it up, let me know what you think
 
ok, i jus read that in about 300 years the life-expectancy will be 100 years and the planets population will stabilize at around 9 billion, what ever that means.
 
BackDoc said:
This is fascinating stuff to me. If programmed cell death can be delayed, then that would at least give the individual time to make decisions regarding life expectancy in conjunction with lifelong goals. It seems like overpopulation is going to be a real issue in the near future (perhaps for our children). If we have longer lifespans then food shortages, etc. might be more realistic. To combat that (as well as to possibly extend the lifespan perhaps) it might be interesting to find out the hormone cascade responsible for mammal hibernation...that way we could all live in an overpopulated world yet still be able to maintain food supplies etc.

Maybe it's too much sci-fi though :)

What a closed minded point of view. Humans are the most valuable resource on the planet, and the more of them there are being productive the sooner we will be able to expand to be interplanetary and interstellar.

Overpopulation is for abortion clinics what Valentines day is for Hallmark.
 
i dont think it will ever happen. but in a 100 years time i recon we will be living till we are 200
 
elite fry said:
i dont think it will ever happen. but in a 100 years time i recon we will be living till we are 200

I think the people who voted for the next 100 years are wishful thinking,we are doomed no matter how long it is..most people understand that, but I guess some just need to figure it out on there own..
 
Nanotech
Biotech

they are the 2 Massive technologies for some or mabey all of the 21st century.

Most of you here will probably Enhance you're selfs in somehow. Most of you will probably have a biochip to monitor you're health or mabey smart clothes.

Some of you will not be full human by the middle of the 21 st century

You will be transhuman, post human


call it what you want, Staying totally biological is not going to help us achieve more, We have to upgrade ourselves

1 early application of Nanotechnology will be

http://www.foresight.org/Nanomedicine/Gall...spirocytes.html

The respirocyte is a bloodborne 1-micron-diameter spherical nanomedical device designed by Robert A. Freitas Jr.. The device acts as an artificial mechanical red blood cell It is designed as a diamondoid 1000-atmosphere pressure vessel with active pumping powered by endogenous serum glucose, and can deliver 236 times more oxygen to the tissues per unit volume than natural red cells while simultaneously managing carbonic acidity.

An individual respirocyte consists of 18 billion precisely arranged structural atoms plus 9 billion temporarily resident molecules when fully loaded. An onboard nanocomputer and numerous chemical and pressure sensors allow the device to exhibit behaviors of modest complexity, remotely reprogrammable by the physician via externally applied acoustic signals

if you were to replace 10% of you're blood with these, You would be able to hold you're breath for around 4 hours
 
any more info on those technologies? or will the average "human" never really know, because the super rich will be the only ones that are ever exposed to it?
 
Well theres a lot to learn about the impact of these technologies. I have read about 20+ books on Nanotechnology, Biotechnology, Computers etc..

These technologies wont just be for the rich, Nanotechnology holds promise to resolve most of the worlds problems, SO the nanotech revolution could affect almost every living human on this planet.

They think that the olympics we just had could of been the last 1 without Geneticly Engineered humans. Its very hard to detect. There is 1 worry in the olympics about using genetic engineering to increase muscle strength.

There is a gene that would increase your muscle strength anything utp 35% within weeks. Expected to be used for people that are disabled. But can also be used in normal healthy people.

Now that is just something near term, Mabey you can imagin the possibilities in the future?

Biotechnology revolution is around the corner, its very close.

There is PLENTY of information on these technologies on the internet

Look up Nanotechnology and Biotechnology search for things like " what does nanotechnology promise " or something. I dont know what but heres a few links to get you started:

www.kurzweilai.net - Daily news on breakthroughs every weekday
The singularity
Will machines become concsious
How to build a brain
LIVING FOREVER
Nanotechnology
Visions of the future
dangerous futures
Virtual reality

and loads more!

http://www.nanotech-now.com/ daily news on breakthroughs
http://www.foresight.org/ Everything you want to know about nanotech!

I just found this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49758-2005Jan30.html

Nanomedicine's Promise Is Anything but Tiny

You should take a read of that ;)


nanotechnology is extremely promising, bigger than every industrial revolution before it. Its also extremely dangerous. Search the net. You will find some interesting stuff out. The future is going to be far different than the changes that happened in the 20th century. Technology is accelerating. I'll provide much better data and proof and a better description of these technologies in a few days time.
 
Hardgainer,

I believe the aging process can be "slowed" but not "halted". The genetic material and our cellular functions will not go on forever. Granted, we will come up with forms of preservation that will make us look younger as we get older (externally) but our internal faculties will not continue to operate much longer than 110 to 120 years of age (max). And that is provided we live like angels and avoid environmental causes of disease/aging.

The primary way that any human being can continue to look great into their golden years is by exercising and avoiding excesses in their diet. That is true for people experimenting with alternative forms of physical performance (supplements, etc) as well as for anyone else who merely takes a vitamin each day.

Myself, I hope to live a good long life and be able to retire when it's all said and done. Most of us will probably die from circumstances not related to our taking care of our health (great articles on the oil shortage, and potential for nuclear war. . .etc, on other sites). I say, live your life to the max. Eat good foods. Do things you enjoy and avoid excesses. We'll all find out sooner or later if we did it right.

Peace,

Conan
 
If we as humans keep cutting down forests, killing land and its wild life, were all dead anyways. If you look at history those who dont adapt to the earth loose. Even most Native Indians abused their land, though never admit to it. (Im Native blood) Forests are the first to go with any group, then the fish and wildlife die from stream temp rise. Live stock and farming remove all the soils goods, then humans resort to killing each other to eat. Northern natives dont have trees so they use the fat of animals as fuel....this almost killed all the whales when the rest of the world jumped on the idea to give light to their homes....now oil...next Water....water ISNT renewable. Sure theirs lots of it but what will happen if humans keep breeding. LOL Lots of water but no one to use it.

On another note AI is crap. It isnt smart at all, it dosent learn the way we do. We learn through patterns. The movie AI was way off the mark. AI machines cant even open a door. They think bigger computers, faster processors is the key...its been proven processors are WAY faster then our brain....but in 100 steps our brain recovers the info it wants...where a computer might take 1 million steps. AI is dumb and so are computers. That will change though when AI's funding runs out. Hope that happens soon. Live forever? If we dont need to eat and breath.
 
Never! Mans years will always number three score and ten...give or take some.

We may extend or shorten our lives by a few years depending on how we treat our body but regardless the body will always break down and die.
 
Jay Cartwright said:
Never! Mans years will always number three score and ten...give or take some.

We may extend or shorten our lives by a few years depending on how we treat our body but regardless the body will always break down and die.

well...as it turns out actually.. life can be extended by many many years.. right now the stem cell research debate is key to prolonging life and keeping the human body repaired and healthy, after these debates have cleared and research is actually funded like it should... within just a few years they will have discovered new things.. maybe some things we might not even begin to think of.. its a safe bet to say stay healthy and ride this boat for as long as you can, because in or lifetimes it may be possible to actually see wether or not aging can be defeated....also..look into the technology of today.. humans may be able to be saved like data on a computer....already the playstation 3 is as powerful as 1% of the human brain..so.. whos to say what the next decade might give us..
 
LeviathanX said:
Well, it is hard to say. My mom is a Ph.D. who is doing research on something called "Program Cell Death". Basically, what happens is everytime your cells split to form new cells a tiny bit of DNA is lost in the division. Eventually, enough information is lost so that your cells cannot replicate anymore and you are "hard-wired" to die. Research is being done to reduce the loss of DNA in these divisions.

With stem cell research, and new technologies I think we will definitely be able to extend human life, but I don't think we can ever conquer death.

If we could, I think 5,000 years or even more would probably be the best assumption. You have to realize that there have been many de-evolutions in mankinds history (i.e. roman empire ---> middle ages) that could get in the way of progress. Even assuming these problems did not occur, the body is a machine - it wears down. What happens when the brain wears down? Can we even record the information stored in one's brain and transfer it to another one?

There are too many questions to answer this even with an educational guess right now, IMO.

There's my 2 cents.


This is also called Oxidation Theory, and they're looking to solving this using the mathematical theory of communication by Claude Shannon to reduce loss of transmission within pertinent information. This is what Bell, Bellsouth uses for telephone communication.
 
you guys realize if you live to be 150 or even 200 that you will have to work until you are at least 130...money doesnt grow on trees and social security accounts for nothing.....doesnt sound like much fun to me
 
buddy aint it the truth . The only solution i can think of is to suppliment the body in the ways that may or may not be encouraged in much of these message boards and more . And to demand much more from our working lives.. put it this way if you were working for 130 years in a row you would become very skilled ..
 
I assume that most people would have many different careers with long lifespans. Retirement will become a periodic thing, maybe a 10 year retirement and then re-train for a different career or something.
 
Overpopulation will trump all advances. Today the world is roughly 1/4 China, soon to be 1/4 India, 1/4 Moslem and 1/4 everyone else. China is attempting birth control. India in 50 years will equal China in size. The Moslem world is doubling every 2 generations (takes over Europe in 2100) and everyone else is rapidly shrinking in percentage. China is hell bent at taking over the world economics. The Moslems want you to convert or die. India wishes to rival China. Everyone else will be taking their last cruise, sipping that last Martini, spouting secular diatribe, crying about Dolhin in their tuna, buying that one final Hybrid car, taking Mass alone on Sunday, resetting their dock because the sea rose 2" in one year...again, Africa has succombed to drought-plague-HIV-tribal warfare, South America has the Atomic bomb and no one cares.

Who will have time, money or energy to further explore life extension.
 
Mr. MB said:
Overpopulation will trump all advances. Today the world is roughly 1/4 China, soon to be 1/4 India, 1/4 Moslem and 1/4 everyone else. China is attempting birth control. India in 50 years will equal China in size. The Moslem world is doubling every 2 generations (takes over Europe in 2100) and everyone else is rapidly shrinking in percentage. China is hell bent at taking over the world economics. The Moslems want you to convert or die. India wishes to rival China. Everyone else will be taking their last cruise, sipping that last Martini, spouting secular diatribe, crying about Dolhin in their tuna, buying that one final Hybrid car, taking Mass alone on Sunday, resetting their dock because the sea rose 2" in one year...again, Africa has succombed to drought-plague-HIV-tribal warfare, South America has the Atomic bomb and no one cares.

Who will have time, money or energy to further explore life extension.

Time to nuke'm first?
 
Mr. MB said:
Overpopulation will trump all advances. Today the world is roughly 1/4 China, soon to be 1/4 India, 1/4 Moslem and 1/4 everyone else. China is attempting birth control. India in 50 years will equal China in size. The Moslem world is doubling every 2 generations (takes over Europe in 2100) and everyone else is rapidly shrinking in percentage. China is hell bent at taking over the world economics. The Moslems want you to convert or die. India wishes to rival China. Everyone else will be taking their last cruise, sipping that last Martini, spouting secular diatribe, crying about Dolhin in their tuna, buying that one final Hybrid car, taking Mass alone on Sunday, resetting their dock because the sea rose 2" in one year...again, Africa has succombed to drought-plague-HIV-tribal warfare, South America has the Atomic bomb and no one cares.

Who will have time, money or energy to further explore life extension.

To quote Clint Eastwood from Heartbreak Ridge, "improvise , adapt , overcome"
 
subtile said:
well - some ppl think we already found a way to eternal youth..

LOOK AT THIS

Please comment this because I dont know what to believe..
I think that guy should rub some lube on his device jack down his draws and sit on those rings. That shit is retarded. ontop of that this guy is giving it away if you do a survey........hmm i call bullshit. if you dont know what to believe on this topic, i got a bridge in New York i own and will sell you really cheap. Let me know ;)
 
Mr. MB said:
Overpopulation will trump all advances. Today the world is roughly 1/4 China, soon to be 1/4 India, 1/4 Moslem and 1/4 everyone else. China is attempting birth control. India in 50 years will equal China in size. The Moslem world is doubling every 2 generations (takes over Europe in 2100) and everyone else is rapidly shrinking in percentage. China is hell bent at taking over the world economics. The Moslems want you to convert or die. India wishes to rival China. Everyone else will be taking their last cruise, sipping that last Martini, spouting secular diatribe, crying about Dolhin in their tuna, buying that one final Hybrid car, taking Mass alone on Sunday, resetting their dock because the sea rose 2" in one year...again, Africa has succombed to drought-plague-HIV-tribal warfare, South America has the Atomic bomb and no one cares.

Who will have time, money or energy to further explore life extension.

I did some research on this myself a few years ago, and the statistics had China overtaking the U.S in just 20 years as a superpower.
 
absolute hardgainer said:
Ok, consider this. Humans in the Western world now live about 2 1/2 times longer than our original human ancestors. Advances in medicine are continuing to increase our life expectancy constantly. There is now limited but considerable research going on to defeat/halt or even reverse the aging process in humans. When do you think this will be achieved to the degree that human beings would no longer die of old age. In that way those humans would be immortal in the sense that they need not die of old age as now, but not invincible to death by accident, disease, etc.

hardgainer (!)


Never..................
 
I Thought it was kinda a misconception that people are living that much longer. Basically IDS (Infant Death Syndrome) accounted for such a high margin of skewed numbers back then (1800's - 1900's) the lowered the average life expectancy to lower levels.

Today we have a much higher rate of sucess with infants, which isn't messing with the numbers so bad. People are living longer, but not 2x as much.
 
I think people got the wrong idea, aging won't be defeated any time soon but the mortality rate will be extended.
It won't be defeated as such in the next 20 years, but life extension of 20 years or more will likely happen within the next 20 - 40, and then within lets say 20 or so years after that, even more extension maybe added onto the previous. The faster things like gene therapy etc get interest/recognition and large funding. The faster and more regular it will happen.
In theory the human race is already capable of extending life, scientists are already familiar with the mechanism's which act upon aging and how to counter those to some extent, it's just the money/resources aren't there yet.
 
I think any remarkable discoveries will be kept to the elite. Meaning if you have the money to buy this knowledge and treatment, you will have access, but it wont be accessible to the poor in africa, the barrios of miami, or the welfare/shelter cases. I think about it like the HIV situation..there is obviously a successful treatment to keep one healthy with the bug. Look at Magic...the only man to fatten up with the disease. Because he has the money to finance his treatment. If he was a poor bastard, he'd be dead years ago. Same thing for anti-aging. Keeping people alive does not suit this world...the rate of employed to retired would be terribly unbalanced and the economies would crash as we could not support our retired/elderly with social security..The US govt would never push forward on this endeavor publicly for the masses, because of the monumental finacial burder that we would be hit with..I can't even imagine it.
 
I think any remarkable discoveries will be kept to the elite. Meaning if you have the money to buy this knowledge and treatment, you will have access, but it wont be accessible to the poor in africa, the barrios of miami, or the welfare/shelter cases. I think about it like the HIV situation..there is obviously a successful treatment to keep one healthy with the bug. Look at Magic...the only man to fatten up with the disease. Because he has the money to finance his treatment. If he was a poor bastard, he'd be dead years ago. Same thing for anti-aging. Keeping people alive does not suit this world...the rate of employed to retired would be terribly unbalanced and the economies would crash as we could not support our retired/elderly with social security..The US govt would never push forward on this endeavor publicly for the masses, because of the monumental finacial burder that we would be hit with..I can't even imagine it.

Look up Aubrey de Grey, he can show you why you're wrong. Whether or not you accept is up to you.
 
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