WARNING, BS article at T-mag!!

[Realgains]

Bro's, and especially you guys new to gear, be warned of a potentially very damaging BS article put out by T-mag author Cy Wilson.

In "Steroids for Health 2003" he recommends using test enanthate at 100mg/week or androgel for gains keeping post cycle and GOOD HPTA RECOVERY!! Sure it's good for gains keeping as T levels never drop below normal BUT YOU WILL NOT REGAIN HPTA FUNCTION.

Well bro's test gel at 5grams per day or test injections at 100mg per week will provide a normal level of testosterone for the body. This has been proven by scientific studies.

The hypothalamus will sence normal AR and ER binding and will NOT put out LHRH and then the pituitary will not be able to release LH and then the tetses will not produce testosterone.

If a bro follows his advice between cycle then his axis will not recover between cycle and this may go on for years......and then the bro may NEVER regain HPTA function.

This could be one of the most potentially damaging articles published in a long time in regard to "safe" steroid use

Anyway my thread is still going over at www.T-mag.com new steroid forum even though I have been banned.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Someone has called for Bill Roberts to make a comment on that thread...so far no answer. Bill Roberts knows damn well that Cy's advice is BS ...we will see if he will come out and refute a fellow T-mag owner. Can you say INTEGRITY.

RG

 

[The Terminator]

I just went over there but the forums seem to be down. I'll go throw my mind in there once I can get in...I'm working all day and studying so I have some time to debate today...

 

[JP@Ironology]

By the way MAG-10 is the best.

 

[Realgains]

If you post over there be careful with your choice of words or they will not post your replies.

RG

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

After their infamous,"Androsol is the equivelant of 500mgs/week of sustanon!"statement,I would never listen to another thing they bellowed out of their fraudulent pie-holes.T-Mag is a complete joke...

 

[Realgains]

After their infamous,"Androsol is the equivelant of 500mgs/week of sustanon!"statement,I would never listen to another thing they bellowed out of their fraudulent pie-holes.T-Mag is a complete joke...

Ya I forgot about that one...what a joke. T-mag is all about the bottom line....$$$$$.

Too bad because their steroid forum has some really smart guys like Tren Freak, Swale(MD), Spongebob, Rainbow.

RG

 

[BigAndy69]

After their infamous,"Androsol is the equivelant of 500mgs/week of sustanon!"statement,I would never listen to another thing they bellowed out of their fraudulent pie-holes.T-Mag is a complete joke...

Didn't they steal something you stated on elite...on anavar or something???

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

LOL,yeah,they were copying research studies I was posting a ways back.About two weeks after each study I was posting,the exact study would mysteriously show up on their site,lol.Too funny.

 

[BigAndy69]

Lol

I've got to be honest, I use to read and enjoy some articles T-Mag had to offer (I wasn't about to buy MuscleMag or MD)

I knew they were full of shit on some things...But Myostatin????? I guess they are targetting the mentally retarded. That completely turned me off, I haven't been since they started talking about it.

 

[The Terminator]

If you post over there be careful with your choice of words or they will not post your replies.

RG

I'm always very careful what I post, a flame starter I am not. (Its busy in here today, it took me 20 minutes to write this. )

 

[MR. BMJ]

LOL,yeah,they were copying research studies I was posting a ways back.About two weeks after each study I was posting,the exact study would mysteriously show up on their site,lol.Too funny.

LOL...I remember that. That was pretty funny. You even made a post about it. Wasn't it on some d-bol studies that you posted here???

BMJ

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

It was on quite a few different ones,but the one I really remember was a head to head study with comparisons of test,deca and stanazolol and their effects on anabolism and fat loss.

 

[40butpumpin]

I've questioned their motivation for a long time. As has been already stated I've liked some of their articles, however, the rediculous hype on their products just got real old for me. Cy Wilson's screwing up AS 101 and then booting RG for sticking up for the truth is going over the edge for me. That's total BS. It's one thing to have a totally uninformed, dumb idea, but to boot someone just to protect it makes me ill. Good deal, RG, fighting the good fight! Prop's to you brother.

 

[DrJMW]

Guys, all in all, this board has the most knowledgable and progressive members of any board, published magazine, etc. If you are looking for a medical explanation or anecdotal evidence, you will find some reliable sources of info and experience. When you see nonsense like exogenous testosterone encouraging recovery of the HPTA, then you know you can discount that source.

 

[Realgains]

I am pretty dissappointed with Bill Roberts for not coming on board that thread and telling the truth...BUT....Maybe if he did he would get booted out of T-mag just like Nelson Montana did.

The almighty $$$ wins again.

RG

 

[The Terminator]

I am pretty dissappointed with Bill Roberts for not coming on board that thread and telling the truth...BUT....Maybe if he did he would get booted out of T-mag just like Nelson Montana did.

The almighty $$$ wins again.

RG

I don't know how well they are doing financially. In my store I can't give their stuff away anymore...but for a time they sold well, but that time has passed...

 

[Realgains]

I don't know how well they are doing financially. In my store I can't give their stuff away anymore...but for a time they sold well, but that time has passed...

GOOD!

RG

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Don't sweat it RG,outside of Bill,no one at T-Mag could carry your Jock strap,lol.They know it,and so does everyone here.

 

[JP@Ironology]

Lol

I've got to be honest, I use to read and enjoy some articles T-Mag had to offer (I wasn't about to buy MuscleMag or MD)

I knew they were full of shit on some things...But Myostatin????? I guess they are targetting the mentally retarded. That completely turned me off, I haven't been since they started talking about it.

Didn't you know...Taking the governor off muscle-mass limitations is now possible with Biotest's brand-new supplement, called MYOSTAT™ Super-Transforming Growth Factor™.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Didn't you know...Taking the governor off muscle-mass limitations is now possible with Biotest's brand-new supplement, called MYOSTAT™ Super-Transforming Growth Factor™.

LMAO

 

[BigAndy69]

Didn't you know...Taking the governor off muscle-mass limitations is now possible with Biotest's brand-new supplement, called MYOSTAT?Super-Transforming Growth Factor?

Can anyone confirm this? Huck, Macro, Zyg? Come on guys I want to get jacked!

How can I order?

 

[Nelson Montana]

It's TRUE! TC now weighs 380 pounds with 4% body fat.

Tim Patterson's gains are throught the roof since using Myostatin! His arms are now 14 inches!!!

Bill Roberts is feeling so aggressive from all the Mag 10 he's taking that he might consider moving out of his mothers house.

Hey, I'm pissed because they stole my "Steroids For Health" title and used it for a pile of horseshit article by some clueless kid. I'd sue their asses but they aren't worth the effort. Assholes.

 

[CytoMel]

I heard that Tim Patterson is now using Monostat instead of Myostat!!

 

[leancuisine]

After their infamous,"Androsol is the equivelant of 500mgs/week of sustanon!"statement,I would never listen to another thing they bellowed out of their fraudulent pie-holes.T-Mag is a complete joke...

that's news to me as i'm a newbie here. but did they REALLY say that?

anybody with a claim like that is a.......mmmmmmmm...

FUCKIN BONEHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CLOBRO]

Lol

I've got to be honest, I use to read and enjoy some articles T-Mag had to offer (I wasn't about to buy MuscleMag or MD)

I knew they were full of shit on some things...But Myostatin????? I guess they are targetting the mentally retarded. That completely turned me off, I haven't been since they started talking about it.

Same here bro with the Myoscam! That stuff is pure science fiction and I won't support those scammers!

 

[geoboy]

I don't know how well they are doing financially. In my store I can't give their stuff away anymore...but for a time they sold well, but that time has passed...

i actually fell for the mag-10 hype after reading 2 long articles in the paper t-mag. figured I'll try anything once. GARBAGE with sides.

 

[geoboy]

In "Steroids for Health 2003" he recommends using test enanthate at 100mg/week or androgel for gains keeping post cycle and GOOD HPTA RECOVERY!! Sure it's good for gains keeping as T levels never drop below normal BUT YOU WILL NOT REGAIN HPTA FUNCTION.

Well bro's test gel at 5grams per day or test injections at 100mg per week will provide a normal level of testosterone for the body. This has been proven by scientific studies.

The hypothalamus will sence normal AR and ER binding and will NOT put out LHRH and then the pituitary will not be able to release LH and then the tetses will not produce testosterone.

I've been using the androderm patch for 5 mg a day (similar effect to androgel) for a while (even if not doing any other anabolics). after a while i get the familiar shrunken nuts. BUT, if I do a 2 week or so cycle of 100 mgs clomid even while continuing the androderm my nuts gain (almost) normal size.

what do you guys think of using this method during recovery (minimal 2.5 or 5 mg androgel + clomid . as the clomid works its magic, you can wean off the androgel.

 

[Realgains]

Re: Re: WARNING, BS article at T-mag!!

I've been using the androderm patch for 5 mg a day (similar effect to androgel) for a while (even if not doing any other anabolics). after a while i get the familiar shrunken nuts. BUT, if I do a 2 week or so cycle of 100 mgs clomid even while continuing the androderm my nuts gain (almost) normal size.

what do you guys think of using this method during recovery (minimal 2.5 or 5 mg androgel + clomid . as the clomid works its magic, you can wean off the androgel.

ANY exogenous androgen will have a negative impact on HPTA recoevry bro even with clomid.

Inhibition comes form both estrogen AND androgens. If you block the estrogen but have say 50% of normal AR binding from the androgel then HPTA recovery will still be slower than you want.

Your own T production will only come to 100% when you eliminate 100% of exogenous androgens.

 

[lolokos]

T-mag has definitely gone downhill. And Biotest is becoming a fucking joke. They are releasing a red bull-type of product?!?!?!
How cutting edge is that? And Myostat? Jesus, even HMB is better than that! And do you know how many studies there are on HMB's effectiveness????


Nevertheless, they still have good articles, Berardi and Roberts are still two of the top guys out there.


Now as far as Cy being a "clueless kid" and Nelson Montana being an honest and knowledgeable dude, that's is absurd!!!!

Yeah Cy has made mistakes, I remember he used to ingest half his protein post-workout, forgot to mention EQ and tren in steroids for dummies and so on..... but he still knows his shit.

And Nelson Montana??? No comment...........



Androsol gave me a couple of HUGE zits! that's about it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

lolokas: I can site dozens of examples of the scum at Biotest being dishonest starting with Cy Wilson's flagrant thievery of my creative property and calling it his own.

Now I'd like to hear one example of how I've been dishonest. You made the comment. Back it up.

 

[geoboy]

Re: Re: Re: WARNING, BS article at T-mag!!

ANY exogenous androgen will have a negative impact on HPTA recoevry bro even with clomid.

Inhibition comes form both estrogen AND androgens. If you block the estrogen but have say 50% of normal AR binding from the androgel then HPTA recovery will still be slower than you want.

Your own T production will only come to 100% when you eliminate 100% of exogenous androgens.

I haven't been 100% clean in years. I probably should do that for awhile. damn thats gonna suck.

 

[Realgains]

T-mag has definitely gone downhill. And Biotest is becoming a fucking joke. They are releasing a red bull-type of product?!?!?!
How cutting edge is that? And Myostat? Jesus, even HMB is better than that! And do you know how many studies there are on HMB's effectiveness????


Nevertheless, they still have good articles, Berardi and Roberts are still two of the top guys out there.


Now as far as Cy being a "clueless kid" and Nelson Montana being an honest and knowledgeable dude, that's is absurd!!!!

Yeah Cy has made mistakes, I remember he used to ingest half his protein post-workout, forgot to mention EQ and tren in steroids for dummies and so on..... but he still knows his shit.

And Nelson Montana??? No comment...........



Androsol gave me a couple of HUGE zits! that's about it.



Nelson has always been honest and straight forward and in fact that is why he was booted out of T-mag. You may agree with everyhting he says but thats another issue and thats fine.

Now will Bill Roberts and Berardi now be honest and have some damn integrity by telling the word that Cy Wilsons ideas in regard to recovery are BS....we'll see, but I seriously doubt that will happen, even though Bill Roberts has said before that 100 of test/week will cause inhibition.

Bro..not a flame but how and the heck can you say Cy Wilson knows his shit when he recommends the use of testosterone at normal bodily requirements for good HPTA recovery!

RG

 

[MohawkMuscle]

It's TRUE! TC now weighs 380 pounds with 4% body fat.

Tim Patterson's gains are throught the roof since using Myostatin! His arms are now 14 inches!!!

Bill Roberts is feeling so aggressive from all the Mag 10 he's taking that he might consider moving out of his mothers house.

Hey, I'm pissed because they stole my "Steroids For Health" title and used it for a pile of horseshit article by some clueless kid. I'd sue their asses but they aren't worth the effort. Assholes.

Sue! Sue ! Sue!

Only in America!!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Unfortunately, the cost of a lawsuit is too high, and in the end, it just immerses me in a lot of negitivity.

I've learned in life, that there are people who earn a living by having something to offer, and there are people who make money through deception and/or by leeching off of the talent of others. In that regard, I'd rather be the one who is robbed, than the robber.

 

[Silent Method]

I don't know the authors, but I've seen similar "recovery" advise in T-mag before.

 

[Nelson Montana]

The information is wrong, but that's par for the course with T-mag. They've stolen (via re-writing) articles of mine in the past. They've stolen from a lot of people, including, as Huck mentioned, posts from this board. But stealing someones title word for word shows a complete lack of imagination and disregard for the efforts of others. Then they go so far as to dismiss the original!

It would be like making a movie and calling it "Goodfellas II" , even though it had nothing to do with original or was affiliated in any way with the makers of the original. It's just sleazy. They're a bunch of dicks. Anyone who supports that site should be ashamed of themselves -- for nothing else other than they call each other T-MEN!

 

[Mad_World]

Not to play Devil's advocate here, but consider the following:

1. Everybody makes mistakes at some point. Even guys like Duchaine were wrong in some regard in their "career". I do not believe that discrediting an individual's entire writings based only on one mistake (Cy Wilson's case) is a good course of action. I'll give your example Nelson, although I greatly respect you, you've been wrong in some cases (I'm sure that you'll agree with me on that). So are we to discredti all your work based on a single mistake? In my opinion that would be like throwing away the baby with the bath's water.

2. Anabolic steroid use for non-medical purposed is not thoroughly research, and as a result we are sometimes limited in our course of action to follow theories based on extrapolations. Obviously some theories will not pan out, but some will. It's just something we have to deal with considering the lack of highly applicable scientific data.

3. Every magazine is there for a reason: make money or enhance the implicated peoples' recognition/fame. Do any of you really think that these guys are in it for our beautiful eyes? Of course not! We all have to make a living. Just because a doctor gets paid for the work he does doesn't necessarily mean that he will misdiagnose conditions in order to get more work (agreed that some probably will, but not the majority).

4. If a magazine print out good information while trying to make a buck who are we to criticize them? In T-mag's case the info is free on their web site. If you don't like their supplements just don't buy it, but do not discredit all the info published based solely on the objective of the company! Nelson used to write for them, should we discredit all that he has written on the sole basis that he was associated with a money-making company? IMHO, no.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Mad World: Your argument makes no sense.

Yes everyone is wrong sometimes. I am not discrediting anyone for a mistake. I believe it was Realgains who had more of an issue with this. I'm dicrediting them, in this case, for stealing from me. Plain and simple. There's no excuse for that.

There's nothing wrong with someone wanting to make money. We all do. But there's a diference between making money by providing something of value and making money by deceiving people.

You're third point is completely convoluted. T-Mag started out as a quality product and changed their format. When Charles Poliquin and myself voiced out dismay, we were let go. How can I be held responsible for what they do once I left???

Let's face it. Bodybuilding isn't quantum physics. Anyone can provide information,for better or worse. But if a company is intentionally deceptive you would think that they should be viewed with suspicion.

 

[lolokos]

Hmmmm, out of all the things I said the only thing the ONLY thing that you would like me to explain is why you are dishonest......

...whatever man.........

 

[ROLGOR]

I would like you to explain it to. Montana seems like a stand up guy. If your going to accuse someone of being dishonest back it up. I'm sure you would ask the same if someone said that about you.

 

[jboldman]

Nelson and I have had our differences but "dishonest" ? Those are fighting words and I have seen nothing printed or posted that back that up.

I have been trying to post to that bogus idea thread for sometime now and have been unable to. RG made a real point and got banned for his effort. Not exacty an open forum.

jb

 

[lolokos]

Oooooook, so we have the Montana groupies here standing up for their fearless leader.

No, Nelson is not a "dishonest" guy, he is a "half truth" kind of guy.

You know, the kind of guy who presents only his side of the story about the "dreaded" t-mag, the kind of guy who boasts about his "progress" but rarely mentions his ab etching surgery, and the kind of guy who insists he knows something for sure when he is only guessing.

So, dishonest no, probably not, what I just described....well I think so.

But then again I should keep my mouth shut right, look at how many posts I have..........

 

[Nelson Montana]

lolokas: You are so full of shit.

What side of the story regarding T-Mag should I present if not my own? I would gladly discuss it openly with them-- and have tried -- but they refuse because they know they'll be proven wrong. They won't even post any conflicting viewpoints on their forum. And incidentally, I'm not the only one who feels this way. I can thnk of a dozen other people who have worked for TC and will tell you the same thing. He's a Bill Phillips wanna-be without the brains, without the balls and without the muscles.

My ab etching is no secret. Either is the fact that I didn't need it and it didn't do much. Check out the pictures on my site that were taken prior to the surgery. My abs are clearly defined.

I don't know what your beef is with me. All I can imagine is that maybe you're a T-man! My guess is that you're under 20 and still buy into the adolescent, pandering claptrap that T-Mag spews.

Bottom line dude; I don't sell bogus products and I don't lie about other people to make myself look better and I don't say one thing and do another. For better or worse, when I say something it's because I believe it and I believe it will help others. Maybe it stems from being a parent. (something that 49 year old TC admits he never wants to be) But I get my kicks from knowing I contributed something, not conned anybody just to make a few bucks.

You did make one good point in your post. If you don't know what you're talking about, keep your mouth shut. Stick around this board for a while and maybe you'll learn a few things.

 

[lolokos]

This is my last post on this thread. I don't want to get into this, it's not worth it.

I went to your site and I looked for the part where you mention ab etching surgery. I did not find it............ maybe I did not look hard enough......

...or maybe it's because EVERYONE knows, right?

And how about them "animal receptor sites", do you still stand by that?

And can you define "receptor site acceptance" for me please?

That's what I mean about not being sure about what you say but still pretending to be so that you look cool or not to lose face.


Listen, we each have our "convictions" about certain people and I don't think that they are going to change because of a few arguments.

But, if you think that you are willing to flame people you should be ready to get flamed yourself too.


Over and out.................and you can call me a T-man all you want, I am still not posting on this thread again

 

[Debaser]

You're being ridiculous lolokos. Of course we have all been wrong at one point or another. Many of us move on. Do you expect him to type something like this at the beginning of each and every one of his posts?

Disclaimer: I have been wrong about certain things, so this post may not be an exception. By the way, I have had cosmetic ab surgery, and made an incorrect claim regarding animal steroids. Just so you know before reading this, thanks.

-Get real. By the way, I love it when people say things like "This is my last post on this thread. I don't want to get into this, it's not worth it." Because every single time I've seen that message, it's because they were obviously losing the argument and/or making a total fool out of themselves and thus wanted to save face as much as possible.