An old friend of mine he'd be eating alot of sugary stuff on a regulare basis, but after tren he really seemed to melt the fat off his stomach. You noticed he got this hard vasculare look. After his cycle he got softer obviously, but also seemed magically fattier again. He didnt have muscle mass or training experience to begin with nor diet, but that taken into account.. Tren did lean him out whatever his half assed attempt to lose fat.