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To Test or Not To Test! Who does and doesn't use test?

Do you use test or not?

  • No test! Due to anxiety

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • No Test due to side effects

    Votes: 6 3.8%

  • Always use test, its the backbone of any cycle

    Votes: 136 85.0%

  • Sometimes use test depending on my goals

    Votes: 17 10.6%
  • Total voters
    160
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HugeWannabe

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Just checking to see who uses test and who doesn't. I know the general feeling on this board is that test is the backbone of any cycle. i wont be using anymore test due to anxiety and CNS related probs. I am going to be sticking to winny and var and primo types of AS.

Lots of people in my gym dont use test as well. So please participate in the poll and then reply with your reasoning behind your decision.
 
Test in every cycle for me! I just love the feeling of being on it - more aggressive, confident, horny, etc......
 
I have done 3 cycles before , no test so far

but I will try on my next cycle starting next month:

fina , test prop and winny


Victor
 
solidspine said:
Just curious, but why would you not use test on a cycle?
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He said it gives him anxiety and cns related problems ...i'm glad it doesn't affect me like that. ARE you using VET GEAR???? RADAR
 
I agree with the insomnia part - it is 6:00am and I'm here tappin the keys like a dope. But I love the effect of test in a cycle. It is synergistic with most other AS's.
 
solidspine said:
Just curious, but why would you not use test on a cycle?
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Thats exactly what I was thinking...I think Test should be the base of all cycles...cutting or bulking
 
I don't use it. My cycles are lean mass cycles. I don't think you can put the words lean mass and test in the same sentence. I stick to tren, winny, and ox, nothing else. Unless a unicorn brings me some masteron.
 
WormAAA77 said:
...I don't think you can put the words lean mass and test in the same sentence. ..
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Let me try it.

-I gained 20 pounds of lean mass by taking test with 1 miligram of arimidex every day.-


There, I did it :).
 
WormAAA77 said:
I don't think you can put the words lean mass and test in the same sentence.
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I'll give it a whirl too! I don't stack:O I only use testosterone. In the span of two years using test I have gone from 190 12%bf to 260 9%bf. That's a lot of LEAN MASS using ONLY TESTOSTERONE(1G/wk).

I do understand the anxiety issues as I suffer from them, but any AS that stimulates the CNS(which would be all of them) will have an effect on anxiety for those so unfortunately prone to it. Maybe someday I'll toss some other AS or two into the mix, but thus far test alone has done the job.
 
Test is where its at. AS hits me hard and I love it!! But hey Hugewannabe, you got to do what you got to do.
 
Damnit I got myself in an argument with a bunch of test freaks.

you take 500mg tren vs 500mg test a week and tren wins hands down in terms of appearance. sure you might put on more weight with the test, but you won't get the hardness and vascularity that tren gives you. plus, test increases protein degradation so not all of the weight you lose post cycle is just water.

personally, if i had to choose between 15 lbs of mass from test vs 10 lbs from tren i'd choose the latter. especially since gains from tren are much more keepable than with test.

obviously the majority of us aren't going to use just one drug though so test + tren should be considered the ultimate backbone of any cycle.

now if you are going to throw in one more drug i'd definitely go with winny. it will act as an anticatabolic and retain the gains from the rapid muscle acquisition that test gives you.

so there, test/tren as the backbone with winny to compliment is an excellent cycle.

mg for mg tren is better than test, but not too many people are going to do a gram of tren/week while quite a few will do at least that amount of test. if you could only do 500mg of one drug for a cycle i don't think you could argue against tren though.
 
Have you weighed the side effects of tren vs. test? Ive known many friends who have used both. Test may have many sides but they are controllable. The toxicity level of tren is high. Some of my friends actually made claims that there was blood in their urine during their tren cycles. I always wanted to use tren but I dont know if its worth the risk.
 
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i love very high doses of test, but i wish it doesnt aromatize!! plus i have to take valium and xanax to sleep.... my hair??its almost gone and i dont regret it cuz fuck proscar... too expensive for nothing.... just shave ur head...
 
HEALTHFREAK said:
Have you weighed the side effects of tren vs. test? Ive known many friends who have used both. Test may have many sides but they are controllable. The toxicity level of tren is high. Some of my friends actually made claims that there was blood in their urine during their tren cycles. I always wanted to use tren but I dont know if its worth the risk.
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Tren is not toxic!!!! I don't know why people think that. The only reason I'd consider tren 'harsh' is because it shuts you down hard and fast, almost as fast as deca. It doesn't cause kidney problems, it's not liver toxic to my knowledge (someone correct me if i'm wrong).

The only side effect I've gotten from tren is acne on my shoulders and back, but retin-a takes care of it just fine.
 
WormAAA77 said:



Tren is not toxic!!!! I don't know why people think that. The only reason I'd consider tren 'harsh' is because it shuts you down hard and fast, almost as fast as deca. It doesn't cause kidney problems, it's not liver toxic to my knowledge (someone correct me if i'm wrong).

The only side effect I've gotten from tren is acne on my shoulders and back, but retin-a takes care of it just fine.
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It has been proven that trenbolone is kidney toxic, it raises creatinine levels and BUN levels considerably all pointing to stress on kidneys. As for anyone I know who has tried fina (trenbolone) the most commom characteristics, besides the incredible hardness and gains (so true), are dark urine and lower back ache, pointing to signs of kidney stress. Trust me, I want to use tren more than anyone but at what cost. How long do you think it would take to recover from the shut down with tren use. It takes me a long time after using deca.
 
HEALTHFREAK said:


Trust me, I want to use tren more than anyone but at what cost. How long do you think it would take to recover from the shut down with tren use. It takes me a long time after using deca.
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Taking the proper precautions, such as adequate water consumption, and moderate doses, less than 100mg ED or EOD, and Tren's side effects can be minimized.
HPTA recover from Tren is much quicker than Deca. Tren quickly leaves your system, within 24-48 hours I believe, whereas Deca stays around for weeks making recovery much more difficult.

My next cycle - 1 gram of Test wks. 1-10 and 100mg Fina ED wks 5-10. The only cycle you'll ever need IMHO!
 
PARABOLAN said:
i love very high doses of test, but i wish it doesnt aromatize!! plus i have to take valium and xanax to sleep.... my hair??its almost gone and i dont regret it cuz fuck proscar... too expensive for nothing.... just shave ur head...
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What about your prostate bro? Without finastride you are asking for prostate cancer if you are taking test. It's not even expensive, you can get 75mg for $35 (no PM's for sources please).
 
HEALTHFREAK said:


It has been proven that trenbolone is kidney toxic, it raises creatinine levels and BUN levels considerably all pointing to stress on kidneys. As for anyone I know who has tried fina (trenbolone) the most commom characteristics, besides the incredible hardness and gains (so true), are dark urine and lower back ache, pointing to signs of kidney stress. Trust me, I want to use tren more than anyone but at what cost. How long do you think it would take to recover from the shut down with tren use. It takes me a long time after using deca.
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I'd like to see this proof with scientific studies. Every where that I have seen says tren is not toxic to the kidneys.

It seems to me that the claims that have been made were from athletes stacking an incredible amount of drugs, and how they blame could have fairly been laid at trenbolone.

There is a member on this board that has taken 1800mg of Tren a week with no side effects whatsoever.
 
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I am using 2000mg Test with 700mg Tren per week. As far as external sides...IE Acne. I actually have clear skin while I am on the Juicw. When I am off I break out.
 
I agree, the gains from tren are better than test because they are real gains, unlike the bloated gains from test and dbol, BUT, taking tren without test is just silly considering how badly it shuts you down. At the very least you should take a small dose of test to keep the sex drive up while on tren.

And how can you have anxiety on test but NOT tren which is 4 times stronger??
 
I can't imagine NOT taking test in every cycle...if only for the way it makes you FEEL!
 
I love me some T>

Brad.
 
Up until, and a few years after I competed in the NPC Championships, I never used test.
 
Why wouldn't any one use the ONLY hormone that makes a man a man is something i fail to comprehend, especially when it is well known that steroids are suppressive and shut down the HPTA?
 
Tren and winny only for me no water weight, gyno... easy to maintain gains ya tren shuts KILLS your libido but who needs it when on cycle i fall inlove with myself everytime i look in the mirror and the winny usually takes care of the libido problem and gives me an all day sense of euphoria :)
 
why does anyone think test causes anxiety and CNS problems??? I thought test gave more feeling of well being
 
I tend to think Test is essential.. It actually calms my anxiety issues considerably...

I use test every cycle (and all the time at some dose, no pct here)
I change the dosage on my test depending on my cycle goals.. cutting i'd use less and use tren or var....bulking i'd use deca or tren and dbol or anadrol -shrug-

speaking of anxiety and or feeling better.. I have noticed feeling super euphoric low dose Dbol.. 10mg/day..
 
Test for best gains and best mood. I never feel better than when I'm on Test. Plus it gives me a nice size increase (not bloat).
 
C.K. said:
winny usually takes care of the libido problem and gives me an all day sense of confidence euphoria :)
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sorry i was ripped off i realize now what i was taking back then was dbol
 
I'm what you can catagorise as - the older bodybuilder - and to someone...rather anyone in this catagory, there can't be any cycle without Test. Infact, Test as a standalone roid in any cycle is MORE than sufficient for any goal...irrespective of whether it be bulking or cutting or maintaining muscle or lean bulk :)
 
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