This Business with mods being in bed with scammers.

[JohnyJuice]

Alright fellas, listen up. I see a lot of talk (not just now with this bullnuts dude and WCP, but alos throughout EF history) of mods being in cahoots with scammers. Let me set you guys straight here. Mods have no control over these sources. They go by their reputation and personal experience. If you know a guy who has been delivering with out fail for a year, you recommend him. Now if sometime down the road he turns bad, shit happens. First off, he may not have scammed you, the guy may have been arrested. He is not delivering pizza, he is taking a risk as well. Now if he did scam you, this is a different story. It is the sources fault, not the mods.

Currently right now i am in a similiar situation. I was given a source by a Mod. Just for good measure, i checked this source with some other mods, and TxLongHorn told me to hold off ordering because the guy has been having trouble with his supply. Now this means both of these Mods were familiar with this individual, but the original mod who gave me the source was unaware of this situation. I decided to wait to order from this guy, but my friend said he was going to order anyway. This source always responded to emails promptly, most of the time within the same day. My buddy ordered, with the supposed longest turn around time being 14 days (it's domestic). Well it has now been 22 days, and this guy will not respond to any of my buddies emails. So my buddy maid a new email adress and emailed him from that, pretending to be someone else wanting a list and asking a few questions. The source responded the same day.

Now this looks fishy. This guy didnt respond at all to my buddies emails, even though he sent him cash and still hasnt gotten anything, but he responded to a random person. It is not a big deal though, because with some research, i got the guys, name, adress, car type, etc. If he doesnt deliever or respond, my and some seriously pissed off individuals (it was a group order) are going to pay a visit. But i want to give it some time, so to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Now, if this guy turns out to be a scammer, i do not blame the Mod who recommended him in any way!! i repeat, i do not blame the mod at all. He was relaying a source that numerous others had used and was reliable (i checked and many said he was a good guy). Just because Mod rhymes with God, doesnt mean they are one in the same.

In conclusion, may i reckomend this. If a Mod is going to recomend sources, get the sources personal info. Name, adress, phone number. Do not give this out, but let it be known to the source that if he starts scamming after the mod recomends him, this info will be provided to the party scammed. The person who claims they were scammed must produce a reciet of payment (ther post office keeps a record of who mails what where, just simply print it up when you send it). This will help to give some motivation to peoople not to scam.

Mods are good guys and mor eimportantly they are people who dedicate alot of their time looking out for people they dont even know. They help you with you physical and mental well being and care for your health and interests. Show some respect.

 

[Hoss]

Mods are good guys and mor eimportantly they are people who dedicate alot of their time looking out for people they dont even know. They help you with you physical and mental well being and care for your health and interests. Show some respect.

Agreed

 

[Trevdog]

Good post. I agree with you on everything except that I wouldn't expect many sources to be willing to provide their personal information to anyone.

 

[bigguns]

bump

 

[spida]

good post

 

[macho21]

Good point!

 

[Swoleyoley]

ok this stupid shit is getting FUCKING old...how many stupid ass dumb fucking post do we have to sit through, how about I fucking sum up what we have all fucking learned for you dumb fucking ignornorant asswholes who insist on fucking posting anything furthr on this:

1. everybody that used BS is fucked
2. its not the mods fault we all got fucked
3. well thats about it.....so shut the fuck up!!!!!!

 

[robsatx]

Nicely Said!

Nicely Said!

 

[Shiatsu]

Good explaination...I hate it when people jump on the mods like it is thier fault. they just run a discussion board and you have to weigh the advice and risks in this game.
P.S. scammers should be caned by all of thier scammed.

 

[manny78]

I've never backed bullsperm BUT when I receive source checks about guys I used in the past I always tell the same: "The guy was good with me, got my order no problem". He was good with me, now is he gonna be good with you ? Dunno, some sources will be sweet with mods and then screw some folks. Remember, its game and when you play it you assume the risks. I've been scammed too......

 

[olympia4ever]

It is unfortuanate that there are so many scammers out there, its always unfair when someone loses their hard earned cash to a theif, however there is one way to totally stop yourself from getting conned again. Do not buy from the net, I dont know about you but if i want gear i get it from friends at the gym who i train with regularly, they have friends with pro's (who are obviously on top shit). I have 99% faith in my friends, yet if i were to buy off the net i guess that would be reduced to about 30 %. Sometimes friends cant get everything, in england it seems impossible to get primo now, esspecially primo depot...but at least the gear will be legit and youll get it.
When you buy illegal drugs in my opinion you cant trust the net because afterall you are buying an illegal substance...however if you know the person you are buying off, and see him very regularly then it is not very likely he or even she will scam you, if they do then you know what to do. This is not a told you so, because i feel pissed off that thieving b**stards roam around good sites such as this to profit as thieves. But perhaps it shows that the net can not be trusted and the only way to get gear 100% is throgh a proper meet in real life with someone you trust and see regularly cos if something goes wrong, you always have your animal instincts. Train hard, people, thanx, bye.

 

[seeker02]

A mod better be damn sure when recommending a source. And no they can't be all that sure just because they were fronted some gear.

 

[el cubano]

Good post. I agree with you on everything except that I wouldn't expect many sources to be willing to provide their personal information to anyone.

I agree

 

[el cubano]

A mod better be damn sure when recommending a source. And no they can't be all that sure just because they were fronted some gear.

OK first, how the hell can anybody be "dam sure"? Recommending a source is the same as recommending a stock. You may be "dam sure" the stock will go up, then the shit crashes. You are saying that we are supposed to be gods who can see into the future and know when a good source will go bad. That's just plain stupid. How about this, mods won't give out any sources nor will we do source checks and we'll see if you are better off????

 

[seeker02]

OK first, how the hell can anybody be "dam sure"? Recommending a source is the same as recommending a stock. You may be "dam sure" the stock will go up, then the shit crashes. You are saying that we are supposed to be gods who can see into the future and know when a good source will go bad. That's just plain stupid. How about this, mods won't give out any sources nor will we do source checks and we'll see if you are better off????

By only backing a source that has a long history of pleasing customers and not just a source that fronted them fear. I think this whole gear fronting for favors has gone too far and is part of the reason people get the idea mods are in bed with some scammers.

A stock-brocker will tell you if the stock you are buying is a very sound and safe (companies that have been around for awhile and are in a safer type of business) buy or if it is a risky stock (start-up companies in a new unproven market). If a stock-broker guarantees a safe buy and doesn't deliver they have been known to get sued. A mod shouldn't recommend a new risky source as a good guy just because they have been fronted gear to do so.

 

[spentagn]

By only backing a source that has a long history of pleasing customers and not just a source that fronted them fear. I think this whole gear fronting for favors has gone too far and is part of the reason people get the idea mods are in bed with some scammers.

BS DID have a long history of pleasing customers.

A stock-brocker will tell you if the stock you are buying is a very sound and safe (companies that have been around for awhile and are in a safer type of business) buy or if it is a risky stock (start-up companies in a new unproven market). If a stock-broker guarantees a safe buy and doesn't deliver they have been known to get sued. A mod shouldn't recommend a new risky source as a good guy just because they have been fronted gear to do so.

The stock market is a risky financial asset, and no one can guarantee a certain return on equity. Debt instruments are a different story, but their is still a level of default associated with all private sector investments.

 

[muscleup]

people just want a sure fire way of getting there gear....and the reality is that good people do bad things and that will never change...Mods simply vouch for people and thats all they can do and all we should expect from them.....What do you people think ?...Do you think that Manny78, M18, WCP, Quadsweep and HuckFinn all call up Bullsperm, OrganonCanon and every other scammer scumbag and go out have a few beers and laugh about how much money they all made this week from fucking people over....No it's not like that... So one should assume That this is all a game sometimes you win{recieve your gear} and somtimes you lose{get scammed}....this is another aspect of the game...

 

[TxLonghorn]

A stock-brocker will tell you if the stock you are buying is a very sound and safe

A stockbroker also gets paid quite a bit of money for that info. And for the life of me, I can't ever remember you sending me any money. How about this, you pay me several thousand dollars, and I will 'make damn sure' the sources I recommend to you are good ones.

Deal? Because that would be the only fair way to go about it, now wouldn't it?

 

[muscleup]

A stockbroker also gets paid quite a bit of money for that info. And for the life of me, I can't ever remember you sending me any money. How about this, you pay me several thousand dollars, and I will 'make damn sure' the sources I recommend to you are good ones.

Deal? Because that would be the only fair way to go about it, now wouldn't it?

LMOA...

 

[seeker02]

A stockbroker also gets paid quite a bit of money for that info.

Stockbrokers generally get paid on commission, a percentage of what they sold which is usually 10 percent or so. If you told me you wanted 400-600 percent extra of what I buy for sound financial advise I'd tell you to go to hell. On the other hand, sources will often make it quite worthwhile for a mod to recommend them.

Seems like some mods want the best of both worlds. They want the fruits of recommending a source but don't want anything that goes wrong with the source to be transferred onto himself. All I said was a mod should be damn sure about the sources they recommend and there are better ways to go about making sure than just being fronted gear. When someone backs a person they are backing that person with their reputation.

 

[TxLonghorn]

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[TxLonghorn]

Seems like some mods want the best of both worlds.

Oh bullshit. But I think you want the best of both worlds. Ok, stockbrokers get paid on commission, but they also trade in a legally acceptable field. We are dealing with info that isn't readily accessible, and it isn't my fucking job to make sure you get your dbol. And I think you missed the point: I don't get paid for this. I don't care what fantasy you have that I get tons of free gear or gear at cost, it ain't reality. Sure, you would tell me to go to hell if I was a stockbroker and wanted some money, but when was the last time you could turn on CNBC and get the Scammer Report? You seem to fail to grasp the basic problem here.

If I give info, it's your decision on whether to take it or not. Plus you have to go through a stockbroker (for the most part) to trade stocks. It's more free-market with sources. And you also fail to realize with all the cloak and dagger that we have to have, there is no way ANYBODY can be 'damn sure' about a source. If you want a sure thing, bet on the Reaper. All we can do is point you in the general direction. And in keeping with the stockbroker motif, it's just like mutual funds when they show past performance and then hit you with, 'past performance is not indicative of future performance.' In other words, nobody knows the future.

This guy's posts are indicative of what is wrong with this country right now: nothing is ever my fault, gimme some money.

 

[Green]

We're still talking about this shit......

Fucking grow up and lift. If you get fucked welcome to life on the black market.

Drop this shit and only post valuable information. There are like 5 posts like this already where people are blowing the Mods.

 

[liftsiron]

I also got scammed by two sources in a row, both referred by the same mod. I was really pissed at the mod as well as the sources, without knowing all the facts. What happened appears to be that both sources were good sources for a time, one for a very long time. I just by chance sent orders to them at the end of their career as ligitimate sources. One turned scammer and the other appears to have been busted. Had my mind not been clouded by a VERY high androgen cycle, I may not have been so vocal on the issue. I think that mod's should run a disclaimer with each response to a source check. It is really impossible to know when a source will turn scammer or get busted. Play the game at your own risk and don't risk more than you can afford. It's bad practice to gamble your buddies money along with own unless you have made them fully aware that they may lose their investment.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

I'd pay a "security fee" for good sources. Sort of like insurance. People buy and sell insurance everyday. It's a good business, think about it.

Personally, I don't buy or trust buying gear from anyone on the net. I do it all locally. The only thing i've bought off the net was some ** stuff that I split with 2 other people just for testing purposes. So it cost me a grand total of about $70.

Other than that, I trust no one. This is too much of a back-stabbing, fuck fest to trust anyone.

 

[muscleup]

We're still talking about this shit......

Fucking grow up and lift. If you get fucked welcome to life on the black market.

Amen bro...