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thinking about MCSE.... Network Engineering field

NY Muscle

NY Muscle

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I come from a finance background but a few of my friends in the IT and webmaster type industry have told me that the network enginerring field is a good field to get into. I am thinking about going to a technical college, a computer career institute.

I will need to start from scratch from A+/Net+/Linus/MCP (PC and networking support) then MCSA (PC and network administration) then MCSE (PC and networking design). This college also has a SCNP ( PC and networking design with security) which I assume would be the next step after MCSE to get. I was planning on trying to get job in the related field right when I finish MCSA then continue on to MSCE and possibly even Cisco certification in the future.


I was wondering if anyone out their is in this field and what type of jobs and how well the pay would be at the MCSA level and utlimately when i finish at the MCSE level and I guess even with the added Cisco eventually. Is this a stable field, a good career and ultimately where good $$ can be made.

thanks for any help.
 
(in reply to MarthaStewart )

Well it would be more than just IT hep desk support etc, but ultimately design and/or maintain a large network, I mean arent these types of jobs always going to have to be there? We will never stop using computers in the world so I would assume this is something that is not going anywhere.
 
Okay....

I am an MCP. Microsoft Certified Professional. I went to Briarcliffe on Long Island. I started with a major in computer networking than transferred to Application Support. I graduated with a degree in Applicaiton Support.

I was hired by a really big college as an application support specialist. My salary sucks, only 40K, but I get free tuition, great benefits, 23 vacation days and unlimited sick time. And I got my bachelors for FREE!!

My hubby is more on the security (cisco) end of things and he makes 73K.

My advice...got to school, it will help. Do the best you can. But go the security route. Lots of Cisco stuff. Get your CCNA or even your CCIE. That's where the money is. There really aren't anymore network engineer jobs in New York. Check the newsday. The pickings are slim.

Either that or do programming...or even better a Database Admin.

Good luck!
 
I don't know how it is up there, but when I ws going to school for network administration, there were 40 y/o men with 20+ years of experience in telecommunications/networking who couldn't find jobs. Even though a lot of tech schools down here kep saying there are so many jobs going unfilled, the market is absolutely horrible which is why I dropped out.
 
I'm surprised that your friends would say what they did. I'm with Martha - lot's of outsourcing going on now.
 
I have a close friend that is working his ass off to get out of the IT world and into the financial one.

The financial world will always be there, and there is always money in it.

Had you switched careers in say... 1995, then it would be smart.

But right now, it is very post bubble and they are literally sending all of those jobs overseas where it is cheaper, or they are bringing them in via H1b.

If you are a good programmer, then there is demand for that, but again, it takes time to build up the skills.

Just having the certs won't get you much money nor guarentee a job.
 
Don't waste your time with certifications. I spent a lot of money on my MCSE and it didn't do shit. Plus, with how fast things advance, it is completely obsolete in a year. The only thing that counts is college. Go back to school and work on a masters because it will payoff, certs do not. Make your time and money count. My boss at wcom told me that they didn't care whether we had certs or not, it made no difference. That is why i went back to school. The only people making money off the certs are the ones selling them and the people doing the training.
 
flexygrl said:

Either that or do programming...or even better a Database Admin.
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With my sample size of 1, I can confirm that database work is still pretty good :) (and not always outsourced)

I've been able to have fairly constant work - as a side job - working with businesses that are migrating from older db technologies to newer ones.
 
Now I am fuckin confused and annoyed, but I really do appreciate the replys.


Are there any computer type discussion boards out on the net that I would be able to get more info, anyone know??
 
Don't be confused or annoyed. THe average person changes their career 3 times. I love my job. It is so rewarding. You really need to decide what your driving factor is. I'm actually thinking of going back to school to be a gym teacher. I really want to help children see fitness as something fun.
 
As someone who has been out of the IT field for over a year now, I would recommend a track in network security.

That was the direction I was heading when I left the IT world.
 
Slashdot.org is full of bitter, unemployed, very very bright technical people.

If you can make it a few weeks reading there and still want to be in the field, then go for it.
 
NYmuscle, it is up to you, if you enjoy it and get all the certifications you will be highly wanted as opposed to lowly computer science bachelors (such as me) without any external experience. The job market is very unstable, but if you do find a good job it tends to pay well.

By the way, I hope you know that in NY you can get upto $4000 grant to cover the certifications, INCLUDING MCSE, I believe it is $1400? What college are you going to, PM me if you want, but they should have an option for you to use the government bond to cover the tuition. It is even cheaper when you take a package, suppose like something really basic like A+, N+, CISCO and MSCE.

But at the end, like i said itts upto you. I was very involved in technology 4 years ago,a nd now that I finished college having experienced the guts of what makes applications, and its support tick, I want to puke at any mention of computers and jobs at the same sentence.
 
flexygrl said:
Don't be confused or annoyed. THe average person changes their career 3 times. I love my job. It is so rewarding. You really need to decide what your driving factor is. I'm actually thinking of going back to school to be a gym teacher. I really want to help children see fitness as something fun.
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HA HA HA that is so funny you said that, that was my original plan but im a bitch when it comes to foreign languaga and the masters program requires it and also its very hard to find a school that offeres a masters in PE, i would have to travel far. But the funny part is, i just got off the phone with my mother, shes been the school board president for years and on the school board for 17 yrs and just told me they layed off soem gym teachers, but being a gym teacher would probably be the coolest job.

flexy you are in the computer field now or no?
 
Another thing to keep in mind is that cerification does NOT = employment.

The term "paper" MCSE has been around for years now. These are the guys that can pass any of the MS tests, but still can't get the services started on a server that is down.

They can't troubleshoot your PC/Laptop/Printer/etc, because they have no experience other than what they have memorized out of a book.

To really be good in the IT world, you gotta live it and breath it.

It's much like the training certifications that many of the trainers in the gym have. Anyone can probably train, test and pass the exam, but would you really trust them to train you?
 
Xbiker, I definetely agree. The problem with many of these certifications is that they do not replace practical experience that comes by being involved in it, or theoretical experience that comes after fninishing a bachelors. The certification courses do not cover the small details, which sometimes make up the core of working with hardware/software and its interactions. Many people that I graduated with got tons of certificates, paying tons of money, and now they are fresh out of college and can't find even a sleazy part time internship. Unless you have connections of course.
 
revexrevex said:
NYmuscle, it is up to you, if you enjoy it and get all the certifications you will be highly wanted as opposed to lowly computer science bachelors (such as me) without any external experience. The job market is very unstable, but if you do find a good job it tends to pay well.

By the way, I hope you know that in NY you can get upto $4000 grant to cover the certifications, INCLUDING MCSE, I believe it is $1400? What college are you going to, PM me if you want, but they should have an option for you to use the government bond to cover the tuition. It is even cheaper when you take a package, suppose like something really basic like A+, N+, CISCO and MSCE.

But at the end, like i said itts upto you. I was very involved in technology 4 years ago,a nd now that I finished college having experienced the guts of what makes applications, and its support tick, I want to puke at any mention of computers and jobs at the same sentence.
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If i do decide to go it will be Skidmore college, one of the few computer institutes we have here in NY. I spoke to the admissions counselor and he said since i have a bachelors degree there is no financial aid but i also went to a business institute in NY which is actally a college and not a technical school, but they teach these certificate degree programs, the women there told me there are grants. etc I can get because of my high grade point average and what not, this school i actually get credits like a real college as well as the certificates once i take the tests that are required (7 all together I think)... but Skidmore didnt mention this, so I am thinking they arent a college just a techincal school even thought it is called Skidmore College? There are no credits at Skidmore.


At skidmore i have to pay aboyt $15,500 witch covers tuition, books, lab fee etc etc and that pays for the compeltion of MCSA then i would HOPEFULLY at that time find some sort of job in the field and keep going to night school and get my MCSE then eventually Cisco.


Tell me if I am making sense or have it all wrong, thanks.


btw are u still in the computer field?
 
I am still in the computer field. I love it, but I don't feel emotionally fulfilled. That's why I'm thinking of looking into teaching.

I'm starting my Masters Degree program in 2004. It's called Educational Techonology. Basically teaching teachers how to use techology to teach. I do that now anyway, so I figure, hey why not..it's free. CW post has a pe cert, not sure if it's masters or bachelors. Lots to think about.
 
One other thing to remember about the IT field is support.

No matter what you do in any field (tech support, network administration, security, programming, etc) you are supporting one of three things (or a combination of the three)

People

Machines

Programs

I cannot tell you how hard I have laughed at people who say, "I want to be in the IT field, but I don't want to do support."

It doesn't work that way. People have problems and hose things up. Machines break and need maintainance, and programs (or code) are written by humans who are fallible.
 
Oh....I forgot to mention. I got my job without any certs. I had a really good gpa and some experience. I got my MCP about a year after being hired.
 
NYmuscle, they might be rippng you off.. as jimsbbc said, IM me at "RvxRvxRvx1" and we can talk

Xbiker, yea i meant aim. Btw hows the progress on injectabe protein going bro?
 
I would much rather put $15500 toward a masters than any cert that is the same as throwing money out the window. Most of the people in my MCSE class couldn't find jobs in IT, and the rest were helddesk (me included).
 
XBiker said:
Another thing to keep in mind is that cerification does NOT = employment.

The term "paper" MCSE has been around for years now. These are the guys that can pass any of the MS tests, but still can't get the services started on a server that is down.

They can't troubleshoot your PC/Laptop/Printer/etc, because they have no experience other than what they have memorized out of a book.

To really be good in the IT world, you gotta live it and breath it.

It's much like the training certifications that many of the trainers in the gym have. Anyone can probably train, test and pass the exam, but would you really trust them to train you?
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Yep, what he said.
 
revexrevex said:
Xbiker, yea i meant aim. Btw hows the progress on injectabe protein going bro?
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As soon as you find a way to make sterile protein without degrading the structure, let me know.

;)
 
Bro, my senior project was to design a system to digitize a business. That was a freaking nightmare, you can't imagine how many things you ohave to consider in order to get physical business on internet. I had to do hours of ROI calculations, approximate costs involved for inhouse or outsourcing blablablah. Then I had to make a web site with a server/client and oracle database to transfer the existing product/service offering into the computer. God that was a nightmare, that project made me reconsider getting a job in a computer field
 
XBiker said:
Another thing to keep in mind is that cerification does NOT = employment.

The term "paper" MCSE has been around for years now. These are the guys that can pass any of the MS tests, but still can't get the services started on a server that is down.

They can't troubleshoot your PC/Laptop/Printer/etc, because they have no experience other than what they have memorized out of a book.

To really be good in the IT world, you gotta live it and breath it.

It's much like the training certifications that many of the trainers in the gym have. Anyone can probably train, test and pass the exam, but would you really trust them to train you?
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Well like i said I was hoping to get a job once at the MCSA level or shit even at the networking help desk support if I had to so I have hands on experience while I continue my education an once i get MCSE, I will have some work experience under my belt and refelct on my resume and able to get a better job since I have been in the field a little bit.


Am i still off track here?
 
1. Certification is a nice touch but if you have to go to "school" to get it, DON'T!
Get a job (any job) then study for MCSE at night on your own time. This is what I did for MCSE & CCNA.
2. For job security you have to specialize - security, web development, programming, SQL, etc. MCSE desktop support people are a dime a dozen.
3. It will take years of experience to get any IT job worth having. Certification alone hasn't cut it since 2000.

Linux administration is a growing area but most of those jobs will require knowing some programming - shell scripts, perl, awk, sed and possibly SQL.
I suggest you learn Microsoft and at least one unix variant at the same time.
 
NYMUSCLE, MSCE costs $1500, plus books. I don't know where they came up with $15,000. They are probably charging you with full tuition to only take a few certification courses. Be very careful bro.

About the grant, you cannot redeem it in college, only in technical school. I suggest you take MSCE and A+/N+ in a technical school because it will be free for you (the grant will cover it). It will only take you 1.5 months to get certified during the summer. That college is ripping you off bro.
 
It's definetly possible. It happened to me. You just have to be realistic. Even after graduated and with an MCSE the chances of you getting hired for anything more than 50K(if that much) is very slim.
 
NY Muscle said:




Well like i said I was hoping to get a job once at the MCSA level or shit even at the networking help desk support if I had to so I have hands on experience while I continue my education an once i get MCSE, I will have some work experience under my belt and refelct on my resume and able to get a better job since I have been in the field a little bit.


Am i still off track here?
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You are at least taking a realistic approach to it.

Technical support sucks, but it's the best way to learn. You deal with problems and you learn how to deal with people.

If you are serious about getting in to the IT field and/or the networking arena, the best thing to do it build yourself a LAN at home.

Network your PC's. Break it, fix it, run it to the max and see if you like it. Next step is to get a server on your LAN and break it, fix it, repeat the process.

Building a PC is a great way to see what makes it tick. You assemble all the stuff, load the OS and you create your own little PC. You even get to name it. :D

Bottom line is make sure the IT field is for you. IT people are no longer considered nerds as it's now a mainstream vocation that can pay very well.

It's also the culprit of lost hair (by pulling it out), frustration, and many a late night/early morning to get things done "off production"

I really liked it when I did it and I still consult. It was the corporate mindset of using people up and discarding them that made me bail.
 
Dial_tone said:

I suggest you learn Microsoft and at least one unix variant at the same time.
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Dial - how much penetration have you seen w/*nix vs. Msoft? I've been doing some web frontend db work lately and the last 5 companies I've worked for all wanted a SQL Server/ASP/ASP.NET/IIS solution. I was/am prepared to do a *nix/Apache/PHP/Mysql solution, but nobody seems to want to go there.
 
It boggles my mind that people pay thousands just to get an MCSE. I paid about $200 for books and spent another $1,500-2000 or slapping together a home network. I've got 7 computers at home now running Windows, Linux, OpenBSD & FreeBSD Unix. Go the do-it-yourself route. You can always sell the hardware on ebay when you're done.
For Cisco certification go to www.routersim.com for software to simulate Cisco hardware. I used it and aced the CCNA easily, 71 of 75 questions correct and no it did not get me a better job. Why should they hire YOU, a freshly minted MCSA w/no experience when there are experienced and certified people coming out of the woodwork? You'll be asked that so have an answer.
 
Another little tidbit of advice...

Most of the people going through the resumes know jack about I.T. They are just looking for keywords. So if you find a specific job that you are after that requires a certain skill set, just put it on your resume. It may open the door for you, then learn the skill yourself or get a friend in I.t. to teach it to you. This has worked very well for me. After school I went on 3 interviews and got all 3 jobs.
 
Dial_tone said:
It boggles my mind that people pay thousands just to get an MCSE. I paid about $200 for books and spent another $1,500-2000 or slapping together a home network. I've got 7 computers at home now running Windows, Linux, OpenBSD & FreeBSD Unix. Go the do-it-yourself route. You can always sell the hardware on ebay when you're done.
For Cisco certification go to www.routersim.com for software to simulate Cisco hardware. I used it and aced the CCNA easily, 71 of 75 questions correct and no it did not get me a better job. Why should they hire YOU, a freshly minted MCSA w/no experience when there are experienced and certified people coming out of the woodwork? You'll be asked that so have an answer.
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Ok this all makes sense but I have pretty much no knowledge of this field or even the basic shit I need to learn like intro to DOS, intro to PC hardware, diagnostics and troubleshooting, , I do know that in the lab part of the class which the $700 is for, goes to building a computer from scratch, which u take home and its yours when u are done. But like I said b4 im "done" so to say with all these "certificates" I wanted to try to find a job say 1/2way through or so, so I can work in the field and continue the classes so when im done I have somethign on my resume.
 
flexygrl said:
It's definetly possible. It happened to me. You just have to be realistic. Even after graduated and with an MCSE the chances of you getting hired for anything more than 50K(if that much) is very slim.
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Exactly how I feel but that is why I wanted to try to get work after I have learned help desk support so when I finish MCSE I will have soem experience in the field and something on my resume, which I am assuming will give me a better chance a t a job/higher paying job... right? i hope lol
 
also $15,500 just covers up to and the MCSA the MCSE is another $3000, now at the university its like $13,000 maybe for up to AND the MSCE plus i save $100 a credit (normally $500 a credit) because of my high GPA from my college degree plus a few other things where I can get $$ back so maybe $10,000 or less for up to and the MCSE, so I save like $5000 but im pretty sure this isnt a technical school and if i got a grant i cant use it here. the name of the school is WBI, Westchester Business Institute
 
AAP said:
Where you been for so long NYM?
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Working, working out, EATING, fucking...........less time on here gives me more time for those 4 activities that consume my life. I grew like a fuckin weed too... damn tailors love when I bring clothes to them :)

The eating takes up the most time sadly lol
 
Ok this took me forever to write.. but here is what the 2 schools offer me in terms of the certificates and all the courses involved.



PC & Networking Support (PCS/MS) - A+/Net+/Linux+/MCP

classes

Introduction to DOS
Advanced DOS/MS Windows
Introduction to PC Hardware
Hardware Assy & Installation
DIagnostics & Troubleshooting
Intro to MS NT/2000 Serve I
Intro to MS NT/2000 Serve II
Intro to MS NT/2000 Serve III
LINUX System Configuration & Administration
Troubleshooting Applications
New Technologies
TCP/IP Arch & Design (MS0209)
MS2000 Network Essentials (MS2151)
Windows XP Pro (MS2272)


PC & Networking Administration (MS)- MCSA

classes

MS2000 Network Implementation (MS2153)
MS2000 Administration (MS2154)
MS2000 Core Project (MS210)


Now up till this point the fuckers are charging like $15,000


Each one of those classes i think is 32 hours to completion. It takes 42 weeks of nite classes Then another 12 weeks for MCSE which is another $3000, here is the MCSE course:


PC & Networking Design (MS) - MCSE

classes

MS2000 Design Infrastructure (1561)
MS2000 Design Migration Strategy (MS2010)
MS2000 Internet Security (MS 2159)
MS2000 Final Project (MS211)
MS2000 Exchange (MS1572)


Then there is this college that is a business institute that I would actually get credits like a real college but its ultimately the certificates that I would be trying to get, the classes are bigger where as Skidmore has 8-12 people in a class which i like MUCH better then a 23 person classroom. They are also cheaper and I would get some $$ or state funding. Starting from scratch and up to and completing MCSE is like 12-$13,000 but after some money id get back it would close like $10,-11,000. Here is there classes and they actually have Cisco included in there.


You take 2 classes that lase 2 months for the 2 classes 2 nights a week, 2hours for each class. also each class is 3 credits i guess towards college degree? mastes? So it would take like 15 months. And id have MCSE and Cisco(i think Cisco)

Network Essentials (Network +)
PC Technology (A+)
Operating SystestemTechnologies (A+)
Internet Technologies (i-Net+)
Introduction to Windows 2000
Advanced Windows 2000
Cisco Routing Basics
Active Directory Services
Network Infrastructure Implementation
Managing A Network Environment
Advanced Active Directory Services
Designing a Secure Windows 2000 Network
Cisco Switching Basics
Cisco Wan Technologies
Windows Exchange Server 2000
 
go with option 2... the credits if you transfer on down the road are worth it.
 
Ive been in the IT field for about 7 years. started out in the navy, got out last june. got my ccna, and my mcsa. It took me 8 months to find a "good" job. I actually got lucky, got hired on as a tier 3 mid level administrator, now 6 months later, (and lots of late nights and long hours) im a tier 4/5 administrator and remote fault manager. however, im making 45K, when i should be making 60K+, and i wont be up for a raise for another 6 months. So go from that, i have 7 years of hands on, mcsa and ccna. 45K. I personally would recommend a project management track for information systems.(which is what im about to start) techs are a dime a dozen because everyones going the quick route and getting certified. project management is where the money is in this field. information systems are here to stay, so changing job sets isnt a bad idea, but i would consider setting your goals a bit higher bro, be the H N I C. good luck either way.
try going to monster.com or dice.com. look around for jobs in the information systems field... see whats out there.

MJ
 
I thought working with Oracle as a DBA brought in some good money.

I recently spoke to an Oracle DBA here at my company regarding my teenage neighbor that is taking classes at the tech school this summer in order to hurry up and get out of college earlier... he only has 3 years experience and is a Junior DBA but makes $62K annually.

This sound right about Oracle work?
 
Y_Lifter said:
When I saw the title of this thread, my first thought was..
"Who bumped this 4 yr old thing"...
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LOL!!!! I did too... only because I hadn't seen NYM around in a while....

but I see what you are saying... that tech wave was 4 years ago...
 
AAP said:
I thought working with Oracle as a DBA brought in some good money.

I recently spoke to an Oracle DBA here at my company regarding my teenage neighbor that is taking classes at the tech school this summer in order to hurry up and get out of college earlier... he only has 3 years experience and is a Junior DBA but makes $62K annually.

This sound right about Oracle work?
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In the best interests of NYM, you should really stay out of this discussion.

clueless.jpg
 
Don't choose a field for the money; choose it because you enjoy the work.
Example: I've been in IT for 7 years now. I can't program a lick and I don't want to either. It bores me to tears and my math is terrible. My web developer friend, who's making a mint, is trying to get me into it. I keep declining. Why? Because I could never like it enough to be willing to work hard enough to become better than the guy that stuff comes naturally too. I'd always be playing catch-up.
The people who get into IT (without even basic computer knowledge) simply because they heard they can make alot of money are destined to fail.
I went thru Cisco Networking Academy for my CCNA (company paid). When the class started there were near 25 people, some of whom had hardly touched a keyboard. When it ended months later we had 8 students left. The rest couldn't hack it. I only know 1-2 students from the class that took the CCNA. I passed it before it ended, mainly because I 80% of my studying before I even got there.
It's like the stock market analogy. When housewives with less than $500 to spend start investing in stocks you know you're at the top. When people leave good jobs to become MCSE's and get rich you know you're at the top. The top was 2 years ago.
Get a college degree, get a part time job supporting the school network, study for certifications in your spare time. Be ready for the next rebound....just remember it won't be like the last one.
 
Cisco is where it's at. Get your CCNA, and the rest will fall into place. Most companies need people with cisco. Trust me.
 
XBiker said:


In the best interests of NYM, you should really stay out of this discussion.
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In the best interest of fitness people, you should reall stay out of this site. Your scrawny ass started working out yet?
 
Experience is what really matters. School and certs are good too but do not compare to experience. Everyone on is asking for a wide range of experience.

These are my current certs:
CCNP Cisco Certified Network Professional (Mid tier Cisco Cert)
CCDA Cisco Certified Design Associate (Cisco beginner cert)
CCNA Superceded by CCNP.
MSCE
MCP+i Superceded by MCSE
MCP Superceded by MCSE
CCA Citrix Certified Administrator.

I have 7 years of experience and I'm having a hard time finding a decent job. No one wants to pay for your skill set anymore. Everyone is low balling everyone.

Job pickings are slim in NYC. Take a look at the Sunday NY Times, it's has 15-20 ads tops now. I remember 4 years ago there were 3-4 pages full of ads for IT jobs.

Everyone is jumping on the Cisco bandwagon; no one will hire you to touch their production network right out of school.

VoIP is pretty hot now. Security too.
 
Spanky11 said:
Cisco is where it's at. Get your CCNA, and the rest will fall into place. Most companies need people with cisco. Trust me.
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CCNA's are a dime a dozen now just like MCSE's. You have to distingish yourself from the other job seekers. MSCE and CCNA do not cut it anymore for meaningfull employment.
 
No certification by itself, even a CCIE, is going to get you an IT job. Having a CCIE with little experience to back it up just makes you overqualified for entry level jobs and underqualified for high end jobs.
 
Ok now im re-thinking my decision...but the real issue at hand is I think its 2 fold.. IF I was able to get a job 1/2 way threw my schooling then when I am done with it all I have some experience on my resume would this decision be smart or even with that will it still be hard to find a job since the jobs are slim now and not as hot as they used to be.


Also when it comes to what interests me.. web design I always liked but then that gets into programming eventually right??

I guess it all comes down to is if this field is even worth it.
 
Do search on monster.com and dice.com for the field your looking into. You 'll get a good idea of how much experinece and what skills you needs to get a job.

It's rough here now.
 
If you want to work in the IT-security/networking field, it might be good with a few other certifications in addition to the Cisco ( CCNA/CCNP )
You could also look into Checkpoint certifications ( Firewall-1)..

Im 21, been in the IT-field for 3 years, with no school.. started with tecnical support for end-users, and worked with that for 1,5 years, and now i work as a security consultant, I dont make a fortune, but its ok money, and inspiring work, with some travelling around in scandinavia

I would suggest trying to get an ISP support job, while studying on your own for other certifications, and looking for other/better jobs. Its easier to get a job when you already got one
 
Also when it comes to what interests me.. web design I always liked but then that gets into programming eventually right??
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Maybe not. Why don't you go for graphic design instead? I teach some GD courses. Mostly just Dreamweaver and Flash. Web Design has really moved beyond simple programming. Now some people chose to just code rather than use the newer programs out there, but it's personal choice. If you have a good eye then you can be a pretty good web designer. Take a couple classes, see if you like it. But I must warn you, the money is not good. Someone I know who is an amazing artist as well as web designer , graduated with a BA in GD got a job making only 25K. Ofcourse, that was only in the hamptons and if you look for work in Manhatten you may find a job paying more money. Good luck! If you have any questions, please let me know.
 
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