theoretical first cycle

[Synpax]

Were I to do a serious AS cycle, what would you recommend? I'm looking to see what folks suggest and then do some research on the AS that are recommended.

Stats: 25, male, 165-170, <7% BF. Worked out steadily for the last 6 months but have a lot of ground to make up for being a pussy wimp until then.

Goals: Avoid any serious damage, gain muscle mass I can keep AND endurance (my event is the 5k) - those two are equally important. I've been told that AS can help with aerobics/running, and 5k is not very far (3 miles or so).

So - what should this first cycle look like? Thanks.

 

[Boulder257]

Personally I would suggest you work out for a minimum of three years before doing an cycle. You want to be sure that your nutrition and training are in order and that you have reached your genetic limitation. Also, if you were a "pussy wimp" as you put it, then chances are your workouts are set for AS because they are not of proper intensity.
However, if you feel the need, I would suggest a D-bol & test enan stack.
400 mg of test enan weekly for ten weeks
20 mg of d-bol oral for the first four weeks.
Again, I highly recommend you put it off for at least another year, but spend that year learning about them so you are prepared. Also be sure to study the post cycle methodology.

 

[juicin'since17]

i started juicin when i really got into lifting- had always worked out off and on but never on a program till the juice came along. its important that you take alot this first cycle, just like i did, so you get a positive mindset. dont mess around with this first one, its important. this is the cycle that will make you think you can rocket to the top- even if you never do really make it. for the first few years you will think like this and this is an awesome feeling. when you buy a new car , its fun to see how fast it can go. my first cycle was 900mg noradren50/week with 30mg d-bol /day. threw in some anapolon50s to.50 pounds of muscle in 2 months. i thought i was gonna be mr america by 19. was a great trip

 

[Synpax]

Thanks for the responses so far.

Normally, I wouldn't even bother with AS but there's a job related need.

My current workout is very intense; over the last 6 months I've gained 20 lbs of lean muscle mass. My cardio is also pretty intense.

However, it really can't wait - I need a jump start. And I look forward to taking whateverI hear on this board, researching it, cross checking it with people in the know, and getting down to business.

 

[Clean]

shit if you gained 20 pounds lbm in 6 months naturally, why fuck that up now? It's better to have a good foundation before your first cycle. But if you really want to juice then thats your decision, just listen to the guys and search and you will be set. Most likely they will tell you to make test one of the compunds for your first cycle, maybe even the only one as that is good also. The dbol/test stack that boulders mentioned is good, shit even sust at 500mg/week by itself is good dude if you think all you want is instant gratification and you wanna get bigger. Dbol will definitely kick start your cycle well.

 

[Anakin]

What do you mean by job-related need? Are you an actor or something? What do you need to put on muscle for and what is your time frame?

 

[Synpax]

The job has a trial phase that is physically incredibly intense.

So... this stuff is good for muscle but how about for cardio?

Obviously there are drugs that help with cardio or else this stuff wouldn't be illegit for olympic runners.

 

[justwannagetbig]

Obviously there are drugs that help with cardio or else this stuff wouldn't be illegit for olympic runners.

your expecting to run how fast now?

 

[GawdsGift]

i woudl recommend a WINNIE deca stack

i woudl do 100 mg of winnie EOD
and 300 mg of deca EVERY 3 days,
for 8 weeks,
maybe throw some d bal in just to get things started.

the winnie is agreat for cardio and the deca will not retain alot of water but will give you posative lean gains,

i have doen 3 differnt stacks andd that one wa s my abosolute FAV.

need any details feel free to PM me. KARMA is always nice

 

[Synpax]

just faster than I am now; there is no limit.

winny is an abbreviated form of what? And what does EOD mean (every other day??)

Thanks.

 

[GawdsGift]

yes every other day. like i said e-mail me for details. Karmas always excepted here. lol

 

[GawdsGift]

http://www.steroidtips.com/winstrol.htm


^^^^^^ winnie info

 

[Synpax]

Do you mean "expected" or "accepted"? I already gave and it says I need to share the love before giving more.

 

[Vectork39]

honnestly you need to be open about what your goals are, you dont want to set yourself up for failure, because that can lead to some shit later on (abusing steroids and such)
working out for 6 months is just the tip of the iceberg, what does your diet look like? training hard for 5k will do alot more than a few shots of winny

 

[Synpax]

my diet is 250-350g of protien a day, 100-150g of clean carbs, and 10-20g of fats, mostly from tuna and fish oil caps. I'm also in the midst of a 1-test cycle.

I train hard for running and have a team of coaches I work with. The lifting routine I designed myself. I'll soon have it all up in PDFs and in my signature.

 

[georgie24]

test/deca or test/eq less shots for ya

 

[Synpax]

Sounds good.

I understand that the recent US Olympic relay team may be DQ'd because one of their members was using Deca, but they are all anabolic runners (100/400 meters?)

 

[GawdsGift]

deca is in your system, for 18 months. stay away if your goignt o get tested for AAS. If you dont have to worry about testing, it is a great stack with winne. LIVING PROOF

 

[Brett44444444]

okay, despite what everyone else has told you, I am going to have to say I'd stay away from roids for now for a few reasons:

1)5k runners would be better off with cortisol steroids than anabolic steroids.

2)If you've gained 20lbs in the last six months, you can still gain an incredible amount of mass naturally before you hit the sauce. Save the (deminishing) effects of juice for when you near your genetic potential, which you can't be near at 170lbs unless you are 5'4''.

3) you said you have only been working out for six months...see above.


Post your diet; you can get a lot of help from people on this board with just that.


You should really do a lot more reserach before you jump into roids. Using them for disntance running just isn't smart. Have you ever seen any 250lb 5k runners (that are any good)? of course not. If you really want some chemical assistance, get some prednisione or something (cortisol steroid). Stick around on the board and learn a little more.

 

[BigAndy69]

Wow, LOTS of misinformation.

Are you being tested??? I suppose you are.

Propionate and Winstrol (ORALLY)

Injectable winstrol can crystalise and stay in your system a long time.

So 100mg of prop EOD and 30-50mg of winny ED

 

[Spidey]

I'm also in the midst of a 1-test cycle.

LOL. Now the 20 lbs in 6 mo looks more reasonable.

A few things here:

1) Technically, this isn't your first cycle if you are currently running 1-test (a steroid, albeit a legal one). Your gains with a future cycle will not be as good as they would be for a true first cycle. Your first is always your best chance at gaining mass.

2) disregard advice that says cortical steroids are in any way helpful. Sure, they are anti-inflammatory so your knees and joints won't hurt as bad but they are also catabolic and will catalyze the LOSS of LBM. Translation, they will make you feel better in the short run but will ruin you in the long run (no pun intended).

3) Whether or not you gain mass or lose BF is 90% controlled by your diet. Steroids help but they aren't magic. If the diet isn't there, you won't get anywhere.

4) Stay away from sust, deca or EQ if you may be tested. Those steroids can linger in your system at detectable levels for months or even years (before all you guys jump on me for naming sust, consider that it does contain test undecanoate, a very long lasting ester).

5) I would stay away from winny (winstrol). It has a reputation for drying out your joints, causing joint pain; not a good thing for a runner.

As others here have said, I would wait a year to get into AS so that you can build a better base and learn your body's limitations. If you are determined to use AS however, I would stick to relatively short acting compounds like maybe 50 mg ed test prop along with maybe 100 mg eod nandrolone phenyl prop. Eat a cutting diet high in protein, moderate in carbs and low in fat and workout on a 3 or 4 day split with moderate weight and high reps. Don't forget your cardio 3 to 4 times a week.

I think this would lend itself more to a loss of BF and maybe a little gain in LBM and increased strength. You don't want to blow up to 250 lbs if you want to be a competitive runner.

Don't neglect your post cycle therapy. There are many theories around on the boards for that so look, read, and choose carefully.

 

[Synpax]

Not being tested.