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The Truth About How Much Protein You Need

Nelson Montana

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There's still a big misconception regarding the intake of protein and the importance thereof. Does more protein result in more muscle? Only if the muscles have a demand for it e.g, if they've been broken down through exercise or/and are in an increased state of nitrogen retention through the use of drugs. Bottom line. Protein builds muscle, but only as much as CAN be built.

Or...maybe there's more to it.

Scientists will argue that only a few grams of protein can be utilized in growing new muscle tissue in a 24 hd period, which leads people to believe that all this protein gorging and supplementation is a waste of time and money. What these scientists often overlook is the fact that it isn't the actual AMOUNT needed to grow muscle. It's the AVAILABILITY. So to break it down as simply as possble, the reason for taking in a lot of protein isn't because you need a lot of protein to grow a lot of muscle, it's because you need protein AVAILABLE at all times to grow muscle. And having enough constantly available requires hundreds of grams a day.

Keep in mind also, that protein contains calories that are less likely to be stored as fat therefore it's no wonder a high protein diet is paramount to the bodybuilders success.

Okay, so eat lots of meat and take in a shake once and a while and you're cool, right? Mmm, not really. It's certainly better than nothing. Even taking in soy is better than not having protein available. But can quality protein make a difference? Absolutely. And unlikely. Here's what I mean.

In general, protein is protein but in recent years I've come to realize that certain aspects of protein can be isolated making it a more "direct route" toward muscle growth.

For example...

Even though they were introduced 20 years ago, I still believe BCAA's are one of the most significant advancements in drug free muscle growth. The problem is the cost. I truly believe if you took 300 grams of BCAA's a day, throughout the day, every day for 2 months, you'd experience near-steroidal growth. The problem is, it'll most likely give you a very upset stomach, plus, it'll cost about $200 a week. No thanks.

Glutamine was supposed to be the answer to this because the body converts BCAA's to Glutamine. But there's a little bump along the way...once that very process is overstepped, Mother Nature steps in. The body will not process Glutamine unless it is actually being converted from a food source containing BCAA's. (Glutamine peptides are more absorbable, but then we're getting back into a higher cost). Glutamine has been used orally on test animals at dosages that would be comparable to ten bottles a day for a human. No effect. Some people claim they feel as if they recover faster with Glutamine. (though how this can be guaged is very hit or miss). I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. But as it stands, Glutamine will grow ZERO additional muscle. It can't. The body just doesn't work that way.


The two very best sourses of protein are hydrolyzed and even better, Super Plasma Serum. The problem with hydrolyzed is that it tastes like death. Amino acid caps used to be made with hydroyzed which made a lot of sense. You'd be hard pressed to find that anymore. Most amino tabs are now made with cheap whey. Hardly worth it. There are a few companies adding hydroyzed to their shakes and props to ON for coming out with a low price product called "Gold Standard" which is a pretty good protein formula containing hydrolyzed that doesn't taste too bad.

As good as hydrolyzed is, NOTHING compares to Super Plasma Serum. This stuff is essentially liquid muscle. That's why I decided to use it in BIG BLAST. I also decided to leave out the hydrolyzed for 2 reasons. One, the Super Plasma is so much better. And two , I blended it with whey isolate which tastes REALLY good. A protein drink only works if you take it and you're not going to take it if you have to force it down. I'm big on taste. But hold on...let's go back a second. Remember what was said -- that very little overall ingested protein is actually absorbed and transformed into muscle? This is where things get sticky.

You can take in the very best protein in the world, but if the body isn't ready to use it, it goes through as waste. You never know WHEN the body will grab that nitrogen. Now, it would be very interesting, though impractical, to see what would happen if we took in nothing but the very best protein all day long.

Wait a minute.

That's kinda been done. (On rats at least).

I'll need to look up some of the research, but it's been posted on EF before. It showed that rats fed a diet of super plasma serum regenerated cell growth much faster and gained 15% more weight than when fed on a normal diet with the same calories.

That is fucking HUGE in regard to a significant finding.



And it's been confrimed by those dedicated enough to be consistent with their supplementation regimes.

But here we are again. What good is that super protein unless you can take it in all day long? That's what leads people to say; "Ah, the hell with it, I use my whey concentrate form GNC and it's cheap and it taste decent and that's all I care about." Fair enough. But this is what bodybuilding is all about. If you give yourself every advantage, a little here, a little there, it all adds up. Too many guys think they can solve all their problems with just taking a lot of drugs. Can't grow? Up the dosage! No testicles? More Hc G! Didn't recover? Increase the Clomid! This shit never works and these people fall by the wayside while the guys and gals who do it right keep on going.

So in conclusion, take in lots of protein. And try to take in as much QUALITY protein as possible. No one thing is the answer. But doing all things as well as possible will bring about the best possible results.
 
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I recently changed my proteins and have noticed a big difference. Taste does sell.
 
BIG BLAST cost $13 a pound which is about the cost of an ordinary MRP. How long it lasts is up to how much you use it but for best results using it twice a day is recommended.

Yes, it contains a little more sugar than the usual shake, for three reasons. One, it can be used as either a pre workout energy drink or as a post workout drink, in both cases some sugar is advantages. Two, it really makes it taste much better. People think mass drinks should be thick but they actually should be easy to get down so they don't leave you full and not craving whole food. The Tropical Orange is like a Snapple and can be downed in between meals with no bloat. Thirdly, BIG BLAST still contains 44grams of protein per serving, so why are you afraid of a little sugar? People looking to gain weight shouldn't fear an extra 22 grams of carbs. You can use them.
 
Nelson,


I'm not big on protein powders. I try to get all my protein from food and nothing else.

What are the advantages of Hydrolized protein or super serum over a 12oz lean steak.
 
Big Rick Rock said:
Nelson,


I'm not big on protein powders. I try to get all my protein from food and nothing else.

What are the advantages of Hydrolized protein or super serum over a 12oz lean steak.

It's not so much an advantage as a "supplement." in other words, how many 12 oz steaks can you eat? Since a steak has about the same protein content as a serving of BIG BLAST, think of it as adding 2 more steaks a day.

But there's more...' Meat must still be digested. That takes time. 'Hydroyzed protein is already pre-digested, so the body doesn;t have to break it down. It can be utilized immediately.

Super Plasma Protein goes another step further. Essentially the body doesn't even have to absorb it, it's already recognized as existing nitrogen. That means virtually all of it will be used , but of course, only if the muscles need it. It's the same with steroids. If they have nothing to do (no training) and no fuel to do it, (not enough protein) they won't be very effective.

The fact that plasma protein is an extract that has never before been implemented makes it leaps and bounds beyond any food source, or even any supplement source.
 
Nelson: I think BigBlast is a great protein shake. The problem I have is that some of us are on low carb diets and although 22g of sugar may not seem like a lot to some, for those of us on low carb diets 22g of sugar is a bit too much. Will proteinfactory.com ever carry a sugar free version?
 
even if u are on low carbs diet.. big blast is perfect for postwork out meal .. this is the ideal time to have simple carbs even on low carb ..your body need carbs asap and the 1 time u can get away with it
 
AAP said:
Nelson, will they ever carry a trial size serving of BB?

What's the point? One or two servings won't show much.

Hurricane is right. Some dextrose post workout will just replace the glycogen used during training. If that's the only carbs you get you'll be fine, though BIG BLAST is better suited as a growth supp.
 
Is what is kinda funny is I was just on the web site ordering 2. hahahaha. I have wanted to try it out for a while and decided today to do it
 
hurricane187 said:
even if u are on low carbs diet.. big blast is perfect for postwork out meal .. this is the ideal time to have simple carbs even on low carb ..your body need carbs asap and the 1 time u can get away with it

Technical term, timed ketogenic diet.

Running low carbs for too long is really not a good idea IMHO.

I have tried the whole low carb thing, it was great being able to diet with peanut butter, but I think that is about the only advantage.

:)

There is an article in Muscular Development this month about during workout nutrition, and hydrolysed whey is mentioned.

Post workout is almost the only time I have a protein shake, and I think it is best if it is hydrolysed or whey isolate.
 
Nelson Montana said:
What's the point? One or two servings won't show much.

Because it enables us to try a flavor before we plunk down $$$ and then find out we don't like it.
 
AAP said:
Because it enables us to try a flavor before we plunk down $$$ and then find out we don't like it.


nice, good call.

i was using syntrex whey isolate. no carb, no fat. wasn't seeing much from it. switched to a generic three blend protien, whey, egg and caisen, constipated the living fuck outta me and fucked my stomach up. went back to the tried and true muscle milk, fuck this shit rocks, losing weight despite the carbs, seeing strength and muscle gains.

so i agree with nelson for once :) that the added carbs pre and post workout will not hurt. i wasn't losing any weight until i changed protien, weird, i added carbs and fat and started losing weight, i also added whole wheat pasta to two meals, just like 1/2 serving. but i feel better, more energy, stronger, and bf is dropping along with weight is dropping.

everyone knows i have no ties to any companies here and always show skepticism to the advertisments here, just my personality i guess, send me a couple tubs nelson and i'll write a honest review for the peeps here. if it's good, you gained at least one customer :)
 
AAP said:
Because it enables us to try a flavor before we plunk down $$$ and then find out we don't like it.

Fair enough. How about this...

Get it unflavored and add your own. Nestle's Quik makes an awesome chocolate. (Sugar Free if you like). I add some cocoa to the chocolate anyway. If you're bulking, vanilla syrup and Hagen Daz vanilla ice cream with a drop of vanilla extract will taste better than any pre mix you can find. You can mix unflavored with bananas and berries for a nice smoothie. I don't know anyone who didn't like the Tropical Orange mixed with Sunny Delite. Try just one pound. For fourteen bucks , even if you don't like it, use it for the benefits, but I think you'll really like the taste.
 
AAP said:
Because it enables us to try a flavor before we plunk down $$$ and then find out we don't like it.
Nothing worse then dropping big cash on a tub of protein only to find you want to puke every time you try drinking it. How ever if you get unflavored there is a lot you can do with it.
 
its said 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight is the minn u should intake and 2gm of protein per pound of body weight is optimal atleast for a bodybuilder ..some believe more .. broken down between 8 meals ..thats why people take protein shakes it can become a hassle and there4 people that depend on food alone .. are not gettin enough protein alot of the time ..not sayin it cant be done but its a pain in the ass
 
Army Vet said:
Nelson: I think BigBlast is a great protein shake. The problem I have is that some of us are on low carb diets and although 22g of sugar may not seem like a lot to some, for those of us on low carb diets 22g of sugar is a bit too much. Will proteinfactory.com ever carry a sugar free version?

Trueprotein can help you out bro. You can even customize your protein to fit your wants/needs.
 
TSO said:
Trueprotein can help you out bro. You can even customize your protein to fit your wants/needs.


They don't carry SPP. The Hydroyzed is the same price as PF but I would not recommend trying to make a shake with Hyrolyzed. It taste really bad.

The Tropical Punch BIG BLAST with cold water and ice in a blender and a packet of splenda is very nice. Fruity and light. I like to add a little cranberry juice.

Yes, 2 grams of protein per body weight is very difficult to maintain. But when you're bulking it must be done if you want quality muscle.
 
Nelson........I was told not too long ago that taking anything with sugar after your workout will fuck with the insulin response and therefore negate any muscle growth. I'd like to hear what you make of that............therefor I can take what you say and tell it to the person who told me. It didn't seem right to me that anything sweet at all would fuck with your gains........but supposedly there's some research supporting it. I don't know the details, but I do remember it having something to do with insulin.
 
nelson seems to be some confusion about " grams of protien per lb of bodyweight"
I have read that when the ratio is broke down its x amount of protien per LEAN body weight.
say if some one weighs 250lbs at 10% bf they take their LBM of 225lbs and use that in the forumla to calculate protien needs vs their " total " bodyweight.
 
redsamurai said:
Nelson........I was told not too long ago that taking anything with sugar after your workout will fuck with the insulin response and therefore negate any muscle growth. I'd like to hear what you make of that............therefor I can take what you say and tell it to the person who told me. It didn't seem right to me that anything sweet at all would fuck with your gains........but supposedly there's some research supporting it. I don't know the details, but I do remember it having something to do with insulin.

Postworkout you need to trigger your insuline, this is done with a amount of fast digesting karbs. But, on the other hand, BCAA's has proven to give similar effects on the insulin-levels, though slower and with less storage of calories.
 
Regarding the amount of protein you need it is really depending on your calorie needs. Precontest you are going to need more protein simply because you are cutting carbs and thus, need to get the calories your body requires from another source. While it is true you cut calories a bit too, you still have a minimum calorie standard you have to keep in order to keep your mass. When you hear of bodybuilders eating 400 grams of protein per day, it isn't because they need that much, it is because they need the calories. Trust me, I have gone up to 500 grams daily for over 7 months at a time. The only difference is that I stayed on the pot more frequently.
 
Do note, Dante (aka Doggcrapp) does recommend large amounts of protein while using his training style. I'd say he knows a thing or two his DC style of training is helping a lot of people put on a lot of muscle over the years.
 
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redsamurai said:
Nelson........I was told not too long ago that taking anything with sugar after your workout will fuck with the insulin response and therefore negate any muscle growth. I'd like to hear what you make of that............therefor I can take what you say and tell it to the person who told me. It didn't seem right to me that anything sweet at all would fuck with your gains........but supposedly there's some research supporting it. I don't know the details, but I do remember it having something to do with insulin.

That makes no sense and I can't get into the dozens of reason why it makes no sense. Dextrose releases insulin and insulin is very anabolic. I've interviewed hundreds of competition level bodybuilders and the use of a high glycemic protein drink post workout is pretty standard.


As for the gram of protein per bodyweight, it's an estimation, not a calculation based on lean weight or BF or anything like that.
 
JohnRambo said:
Postworkout you need to trigger your insuline, this is done with a amount of fast digesting karbs. But, on the other hand, BCAA's has proven to give similar effects on the insulin-levels, though slower and with less storage of calories.

It is the combo of glucogenic amino acids, I would have to look up which ones exactly, and simple carbs that elicit the greatest insulin response.

Insulin is actually released in a pulsatile fashion from the pancreas every 15 minutes, no matter what you eat.

Eating anything will increase the amount of insulin.

It is simple carbs that have a direct effect on the pancreas, so the response is a quicker peak.

You WANT your insulin levels to be higher post workout, and also to eat at this time to restore glycogen levels (energy needed for muscle growth), amino acids into muscle (building units and energy for muscle growth) and fatty acids into fat cells (again energy for muscle growth and building units for cellular membranes).
 
PLUS...having some carbs present helps to shuttle amino acids into the bloodstream. A simple sugar does this best, especially when glycogen is low. (post workout). If blood sugar levels are already high (from too much carb intake throughout the day) then high glycemic carbs have no choice but to be stored as fat.

Sugar isn't poison, it's just something that can be easily overdone. Too much will bloat you and rot your teeth. You should also avoid sugar when inactive. But a tiny bit won't hurt and is not only helpful but a necessary component to health and muscle growth. Zero carb diets are extremely catabolic and will leave you looking deflated.
 
So I was talking casually with a Nutritionist the other day and I mentioned that I consume about 180-200 g of protein a day. (I'm ~235) She was blown away by this 'elevated' amount of protein and gave me the typical warning about kidney stress, etc.

Anyone know how much protein is too much? I've read varying opinions across the board.

LOL at the US R.D.A. for protein which is only like 50g.
 
centy said:
So I was talking casually with a Nutritionist the other day and I mentioned that I consume about 180-200 g of protein a day. (I'm ~235) She was blown away by this 'elevated' amount of protein and gave me the typical warning about kidney stress, etc.

Anyone know how much protein is too much? I've read varying opinions across the board.

LOL at the US R.D.A. for protein which is only like 50g.

Too much protein is a problem only when...

One: When there's insufficient intake of water.

And two: Carbs are too low. (This can cause gout).

Other than that, there's absolutely no evidence that it'll cause kindney stress in a healthy person unless too many overall calories are ingested.

I don't think that more than 200 grams need to be taken every day, but when bulking (on or off cycle) it's the way to get maximum results.
 
centy said:
So I was talking casually with a Nutritionist the other day and I mentioned that I consume about 180-200 g of protein a day. (I'm ~235) She was blown away by this 'elevated' amount of protein and gave me the typical warning about kidney stress, etc.

Anyone know how much protein is too much? I've read varying opinions across the board.

LOL at the US R.D.A. for protein which is only like 50g.[/QUOTe
more like 50 g's per meal ..some wantg more trying to grow ..spread out threw 6-8 meals when trying to grow ... and most boldybuilders take dextose with their protein drinks postworkout to assure the simple carbs .. to prove how important they think it is
 
Nelson Montana said:
Too much protein is a problem only when...

One: When there's insufficient intake of water.

And two: Carbs are too low. (This can cause gout).

Other than that, there's absolutely no evidence that it'll cause kindney stress in a healthy person unless too many overall calories are ingested.

I don't think that more than 200 grams need to be taken every day, but when bulking (on or off cycle) it's the way to get maximum results.
having to much protein on low carb can cause problems with ur colon also .. if u dont get enough fiberous carbs .. happened to me personally
 
AAP said:
Regarding the amount of protein you need it is really depending on your calorie needs. Precontest you are going to need more protein simply because you are cutting carbs and thus, need to get the calories your body requires from another source. While it is true you cut calories a bit too, you still have a minimum calorie standard you have to keep in order to keep your mass. When you hear of bodybuilders eating 400 grams of protein per day, it isn't because they need that much, it is because they need the calories. Trust me, I have gone up to 500 grams daily for over 7 months at a time. The only difference is that I stayed on the pot more frequently.
not tru .. protein carlories are building block and fat and carb calories are energy calories.. a calorie is not a cal lol .. protein makes u grow is why they choose to get such large amount of their cals from it
 
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hurricane187 said:
not tru .. protein carlories are building block and fat and carb calories are energy calories.. a calorie is not a cal lol .. protein makes u grow is why they choose to get such large amount of their cals from it

Muscle is mostly composed of protein, but people forget that every cell in your body has a membrane, which is a phospho-lipid membrane (fat).

Running through the membrane are pores, and there are thousands of receptors on every cells.

Most of the receptors in your body are glycoproteins (sugar and protein), for example, insulin receptors, testosterone receptors, the HLA (human leucocyte antigen) which is a major part of how the immune system recognises 'self' from 'not-self'.

Think of DNA or deoxyRIBOSEnucleic acid, a combination of proteins and sugars.

All of the steroid hormones in your body are derived from cholesterol, vitamin D is derived from cholesterol.

Your brain is mostly lipids (fats)

You need them all, carbs, fats and protein.

Carbs and fats serve far more purposes in the body than just energy.


We now know that there are essential fatty acids, and there is some research an interest now in the essential glyconutrients.

Really, protein is easy to make in the body, making fats and all the carbohydrates we need is far more complicated.
 
If diet is so important, how come there are a bunch of HUGE dudes in jail? They get to train 1-hr per day and sleep as much as they want. Their food is not the best quality and they don't even large portions. I highly doubt any of them is using Steroids.
 
hurricane187 said:
not tru .. protein carlories are building block and fat and carb calories are energy calories.. a calorie is not a cal lol .. protein makes u grow is why they choose to get such large amount of their cals from it


You didn't understand what I was saying.

Which basically meant that while protein is the building blocks of muscle, that is WHY they increase the protein while decreasing carbs precontest. You still have the calories you need but they are coming from protein sources while you use your bodyfat for fuel and not dietary carbs.

I personally know over 5 IFBB pros that don't eat over 250 grams of protein in the off season.
 
Big Rick Rock said:
If diet is so important, how come there are a bunch of HUGE dudes in jail? They get to train 1-hr per day and sleep as much as they want. Their food is not the best quality and they don't even large portions. I highly doubt any of them is using Steroids.
Not true. In state prison they feed you very well on a high call diet. If you get the chance to work on the kitchen staff then you have even more food to eat.
Also big rick rock don't forget they have the (canteina) Which sells all kinds of protein packed foods like tuna,peanut butter, Deferent types of bagged fish,caned meats, and a list of other foods like chillei,lasagna,romen noodles,candy chips,cereal healthy kinds as well,granola bars,bagged nuts, and the list gos on and one... ABOUT THE ONLY THING THEY DON'T HAVE ON THE LIST IS PROTEIN POWDER!!!!

No the don't just train one hour a day. They are pretty damn inventive in jail and they find ways to work out and things to use as weights as well as getting to use the gym....So what you end up with is a bunch of guys that do nothing but eat (only real food) train and sleep all day every day. Thats how they get so big.

finding ways to get real whole food protein in every day trumps meal replacement protein hands down not even worth talking about every time.

With that being said its hard to find time,room in your belly,the knowledge of deferent recipes and cooking methods, and even the money to get all that food you need. meal replacement protein has been solving some of these problems for years now. If you are going to use meal replacement then nelson has a point. You might as well use the best you can get. If you need it.
 
Big Rick Rock said:
If diet is so important, how come there are a bunch of HUGE dudes in jail? They get to train 1-hr per day and sleep as much as they want. Their food is not the best quality and they don't even large portions. I highly doubt any of them is using Steroids.
And yes aas gets into jails!!
 
It's bullshit. 30 years of weight lifting and experiencing with different diets, all that extra protein is just pissed or farted out and it can place a stress on your kidneys... I don't need any more 120 gms per day at 220 lbs and 5'9".. Any more than that and I start farting like a packmule... It's calories consumed that's more important.
 
needtogetaas said:
And yes anabolic androgenic steroids gets into jails!!

Yes they do get into jails...all kinds...and i had a buddy upstate that acutally had a job outside that was next to a ranch..and one of the ranch hands would bring him tons and tons of finiplex pellets which he would eat like candy
 
Anyone remember Myoplex? That shit was a fucking joke. Troy Aikman used to do a commercial for them. I tried it and actually lost weight and muscle because it was a meal replacement powder with 50 gms of protein per serving and I wasn't getting as many calories as I did when I just ate normal food and less protein.... So many scams and bullshit products in this industry.
 
biteme said:
It's bullshit. 30 years of weight lifting and experiencing with different diets, all that extra protein is just pissed or farted out and it can place a stress on your kidneys... I don't need any more 120 gms per day at 220 lbs and 5'9".. Any more than that and I start farting like a packmule... It's calories consumed that's more important.



I think the Protein sources Nelson is suggesting would fix all of that since they are readily available... Is that right Nelson?
 
biteme said:
Anyone remember Myoplex? That shit was a fucking joke. Troy Aikman used to do a commercial for them. I tried it and actually lost weight and muscle because it was a meal replacement powder with 50 gms of protein per serving and I wasn't getting as many calories as I did when I just ate normal food and less protein.... So many scams and bullshit products in this industry.

That is very true.

Real food + hard work in the gym = gains
 
Army Vet said:
That is very true.

Real food + hard work in the gym = gains


My idea of the physical development pie is as follows:

30% Training
25% Genetics
20% Diet
15% Lifestyle
10% Supplements/Roids


Who agrees?
 
As mentioned, most of the protein ingested is wasted, which is why a more absorbable form of protein makes sense for the bodybuilder. And again, plama serum isn't just X amount of grams of protein. It's protein that is utilized to a much higher degree. Remember, steroids recirculate protein so you make more of what you take in. That's the whole point.

And Tatyana is right. All macronutrients are necessary. BIG BLAST also contains whole egg due to the "good" cholesterol it contains. This is something I learned fro Rheo Blair who was years ahead of his time.
 
biteme said:
Anyone remember Myoplex? That shit was a fucking joke. Troy Aikman used to do a commercial for them. I tried it and actually lost weight and muscle because it was a meal replacement powder with 50 gms of protein per serving and I wasn't getting as many calories as I did when I just ate normal food and less protein.... So many scams and bullshit products in this industry.
LOL THE REASON U LOST WEIGHT .. U SAID IT RIGHT THERE .. I NEVER SEEN ANYONE TO ADVISE .. UP YOUR PROTEIN INTAKE , YET LOWER CALORIES..REMEMBER IT TAKES MORE CALORIES TO HOLD A POUND OF MUSCLE THEN A POUND OF FAT .. IFORGET THE EXACT NUMBERS MAYBE SOMEONE CAN CHIME IN ..BUT IF U DONT EAT ENOUGH CALORIES U WILL LOSE ALL KINDS OF WEIGHT .. FAT .. WATER AND MOST IMPORTANT MUSCLE ..NO MATTER WHAT THE CONTENT OF FOOD OR SHAKES OR WATEVER YOUR DIET IS
 
hurricane187 said:
LOL THE REASON U LOST WEIGHT .. U SAID IT RIGHT THERE .. I NEVER SEEN ANYONE TO ADVISE .. UP YOUR PROTEIN INTAKE , YET LOWER CALORIES..REMEMBER IT TAKES MORE CALORIES TO HOLD A POUND OF MUSCLE THEN A POUND OF FAT .. IFORGET THE EXACT NUMBERS MAYBE SOMEONE CAN CHIME IN ..BUT IF U DONT EAT ENOUGH CALORIES U WILL LOSE ALL KINDS OF WEIGHT .. FAT .. WATER AND MOST IMPORTANT MUSCLE ..NO MATTER WHAT THE CONTENT OF FOOD OR SHAKES OR WATEVER YOUR DIET IS

True, and I've been lifting for 30 years and have put on significant weight in the last 5 years and I know how I did it... For many years, I tried the super high protein diet and all it did was give me severe bloating and gas... Yes, you probably need extra protein when lifting weights and trying to build muscle, but not the ridiculously high amount that some so called experts recommend.
 
tru bite i feel ya ..people opinions vary but when i get lotta protein i grow like a weed... when i started following this advice i was very happy ....and i think diet is higher then 20% but hey depends how truely bad the diet is ..
 
Big Rick Rock said:
If diet is so important, how come there are a bunch of HUGE dudes in jail? They get to train 1-hr per day and sleep as much as they want. Their food is not the best quality and they don't even large portions. I highly doubt any of them is using Steroids.


Erm, in the UK they are using gear.

A Screw/prison guard got arrested last week for supply gear to prisoners.
 
nelson mentioned optimum nutrition.. I been taking it for about 6 months and its actually pretty good.. no bloat and been noticing definition but I would like to give the blast protein a try. just my 2 cc's
 
Tatyana said:
Erm, in the UK they are using gear.

A Screw/prison guard got arrested last week for supply gear to prisoners.

The same thing here in Norway, a couple of years ago we had some months there was almost impossible to get a hold of quality HGH. But, in prison one of my friends gained more than ever with, you guessed right... HGH.

Fun fact: Using and storing up to 3months supply is legal in Norway. On the other hand distribution, both selling, buying, export and import is illegal and will put you behind bars.
 
This.....

Even though they were introduced 20 years ago, I still believe BCAA's are one of the most significant advancements in drug free muscle growth. The problem is the cost. I truly believe if you took 300 grams of BCAA's a day, throughout the day, every day for 2 months, you'd experience near-steroidal growth. The problem is, it'll most likely give you a very upset stomach, plus, it'll cost about $200 a week. No thanks.

And then this???...

The use of BCAA's as an anabolic agent in my opinion is almost worthless. Years of research have proven that supplementing with BCAA produces no ergonomic benefits. And if you have ever tried BCAA you've most likely noticed the same.

Not to be a smartass, but what up with this?
 
Although i am curious about Super Plasma Serum. How does it taste alone? Is it worth the bother to use it 2x a day?
 
Slyder190 said:
This.....

Even though they were introduced 20 years ago, I still believe BCAA's are one of the most significant advancements in drug free muscle growth. The problem is the cost. I truly believe if you took 300 grams of BCAA's a day, throughout the day, every day for 2 months, you'd experience near-steroidal growth. The problem is, it'll most likely give you a very upset stomach, plus, it'll cost about $200 a week. No thanks.

And then this???...

The use of BCAA's as an anabolic agent in my opinion is almost worthless. Years of research have proven that supplementing with BCAA produces no ergonomic benefits. And if you have ever tried BCAA you've most likely noticed the same.

Not to be a smartass, but what up with this?

According to whom? The same people that say protein doesn't build muscle?

It all depends on the context. Nothing by itself is ergonomic, not even steroids. I have tried BCAA's in mega dosages and have noticed a difference. Like I said, you need to take A LOT. John Gimick took one dianbol a day and concluded it didn't do anything. Same thing here.

Super plasma by itself is bland. By itself wouldn't be great. Not horrible but not great. With the other ingredients in BIG BLAST it comes off quite tasty.
 
The first quote was you and the 2nd came off the Protein Factory web site. That's what I questioned. I think it was 10-20 grams of the super plasma a day recomended. Would you imagine a noticeable difference ingains if it was taken say 10grams before and after a workout? and say 10grams on non workout days?
 
Slyder190 said:
The first quote was you and the 2nd came off the Protein Factory web site. That's what I questioned. I think it was 10-20 grams of the super plasma a day recomended. Would you imagine a noticeable difference ingains if it was taken say 10grams before and after a workout? and say 10grams on non workout days?


It certainly can't hurt. I can say for certain that regular use of BIG BLAST will help with noticeable gains.
 
abolish the weak said:
Fuck shakes, as far as I'm concerned they're all bullshit and will only have you on the toilet more.


Not true. It is the case with crappy concentrate drinks but the body will utilize protein from wherever it gets it and some supp protein sources are are good way to go. The problem is when people think a shake here and there is going to make a difference and they eat like shit the rest of the time. That's a waste.
 
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Nelson Montana said:
Not true. It is the case with crappy concentrate drinks but the body will utilize protein from wherever it gets it and some supp protein sources are are good way to go. The problem is when people think a shake here and there is going to make a difference and they say like shit the rest of the time. That's a waste.
bingo .. people think drinking a few shakes a day gonna make them grow like a weed .. if u dont get enough cals or protein u wont grow .. no matter what .. when shakes help u get to the numbers u need they are a beauitful thing
 
Hey nelson if this is such a great proteind and is essentially liquid muscle do they use it in hospitals like in TPN? I just bought 2 btw and it is shipped. The reason i am asking is because there is an ER doc at work that I always run stuff by before I buy. he is a big fitness freak blah blah blha. lol But he is very intelligent. I told him that your stuff is like a super protein. So he raised the question if it is a super prtein then medical personel would be using it in burn victims and trauma victims.

What are your thoughts? (maybe I used super protein incorrectly lol)
 
centy said:
So I was talking casually with a Nutritionist the other day and I mentioned that I consume about 180-200 g of protein a day. (I'm ~235) She was blown away by this 'elevated' amount of protein and gave me the typical warning about kidney stress, etc.

Anyone know how much protein is too much? I've read varying opinions across the board.

LOL at the US R.D.A. for protein which is only like 50g.

when taking in large amounts of protein, you need to drink a LOT of water. at 2g/lb bodyweight, you should be drinking 1.5 - 2 gal H2O (assuming you're around 200 lbs. or more.

By the way, I've heard of people well over 300 lbs. taking in over 800 grams of protein a day.
 
SugarTits said:
Hey nelson if this is such a great proteind and is essentially liquid muscle do they use it in hospitals like in TPN? I just bought 2 btw and it is shipped. The reason i am asking is because there is an ER doc at work that I always run stuff by before I buy. he is a big fitness freak blah blah blha. lol But he is very intelligent. I told him that your stuff is like a super protein. So he raised the question if it is a super prtein then medical personel would be using it in burn victims and trauma victims.

What are your thoughts? (maybe I used super protein incorrectly lol)

First of all SPP has been used for such purposes (in tests) but I must first ask...since when are hospitals concerned with optimum nutrition? Hell, they give people recovering from surgery cookies and jello. For trauma patients using IV protein would make much more sense. It's cheaper and effective. And that's what they do and some supp companies have even pushed those stats. Glutamine helps recovery in trauma victims -- WHEN FED IV!!!

I think SPP would have phenomenal applications in such cases but at $25 a pound, I wouldn't count on it.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Too much protein is a problem only when...

One: When there's insufficient intake of water.

And two: Carbs are too low. (This can cause gout).

Other than that, there's absolutely no evidence that it'll cause kindney stress in a healthy person unless too many overall calories are ingested.

I don't think that more than 200 grams need to be taken every day, but when bulking (on or off cycle) it's the way to get maximum results.


The studies done on high protien diets and thier "danger" were done on peoplke in renal failure. SO the healthy bodybuilder eating massive amounts of protein is not affected like those in renal failure.
 
hurricane187 said:
not tru .. protein carlories are building block and fat and carb calories are energy calories.. a calorie is not a cal lol .. protein makes u grow is why they choose to get such large amount of their cals from it


LOL what do you think a calorie is? it is a unit of energy.

Protien is used for energy. why do you think that people who suffer from anorexia nervosa lack muscle mass? They dont eat and the body if breaking down protiens for energy.
 
Big Rick Rock said:
If diet is so important, how come there are a bunch of HUGE dudes in jail? They get to train 1-hr per day and sleep as much as they want. Their food is not the best quality and they don't even large portions. I highly doubt any of them is using Steroids.

I have often wondered that too man.
 
Nelson Montana said:
First of all SPP has been used for such purposes (in tests) but I must first ask...since when are hospitals concerned with optimum nutrition? Hell, they give people recovering from surgery cookies and jello. For trauma patients using IV protein would make much more sense. It's cheaper and effective. And that's what they do and some supp companies have even pushed those stats. Glutamine helps recovery in trauma victims -- WHEN FED IV!!!

I think SPP would have phenomenal applications in such cases but at $25 a pound, I wouldn't count on it.


Well they give IV protien in TPN.

LOL at hospitals not giving optimum nutrition. i agree. the tube feedings the give are shitty. TPN is a little better but I agree they need to do more.
 
SugarTits said:
LOL what do you think a calorie is? it is a unit of energy.

Protien is used for energy. why do you think that people who suffer from anorexia nervosa lack muscle mass? They dont eat and the body if breaking down protiens for energy.
protein-Comprised of building blocks
called amino acids (AA), e.g.
lysine, which also form the
foundation of the muscle tissue

energy-Can be derived from carbs, fat
or protein in the diet ---correct

In general, carbs and fats are
considered to be MAIN energy
components of the diet , the body uses protein for energy ONLY if carbohydrate and fat INTAKE IS INSUFFICIENT. ..

bodybuilders calorie diet = carbs & fat for energy+cals .. protein for building muscle tissue+cals.. thats my point.. dont know why u comparing bodybuilding to anemia but its watever

i
 
hurricane187 said:
protein-Comprised of building blocks
called amino acids (AA), e.g.
lysine, which also form the
foundation of the muscle tissue

energy-Can be derived from carbs, fat
or protein in the diet ---correct

In general, carbs and fats are
considered to be MAIN energy
components of the diet , the body uses protein for energy ONLY if carbohydrate and fat INTAKE IS INSUFFICIENT. ..

bodybuilders calorie diet = carbs & fat for energy+cals .. protein for building muscle tissue+cals.. thats my point.. dont know why u comparing bodybuilding to anemia but its watever

i


Actually, it depends on the type of activity. Low level exertion (e.g. walking) will use fat whereas a quick burst of energy will draw upon carbs. If carbs are non existant (which is almost impossible in spite of what people think about training on an empty stomach but let's say so for the sake of argument) then protein will be used as an energy source. If no protein is available the body will anticipate starvation and energy will then be taken from muscle (which is protein and 4 grams per calorie). This is why ketogenic diets are very catabolic. It's also why people can die of anorexia and still have 10% bodyfat.
 
^^yeaaa boyyy good posttt i love these threads .. get tired of the same gear dosage questions over and over ..
 
hurricane187 said:
^^yeaaa boyyy good posttt i love these threads .. get tired of the same gear dosage questions over and over ..

Well, I'd say it's worth a bump then! ^^^^^^
 
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