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The True Face of Gun Control

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The True Face of Gun Control
From the Mass Extermination Of Humans to NYC 1991

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control1 in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: at least 56 million... that we know about.

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, ask them "Who do you want to round up and exterminate?"

Something to think about as the Liberal media attempts to demonize firearms and gun owners in what amounts to an unending propaganda blitz. They are sympathetic to the politicians who seek to blame crime on "the easy availability of guns" through evil devices like "the gun show loophole."

At one point gun confiscation in this country was unthinkable, yet we saw it occur quite openly and overtly in 1991 in New York City, enabled solely due to a registration scheme put into place in 1967.

Firearms Registration: the Lesson of NYC

In their hearts, supporters of "gun control" desire gun prohibition; they promulgate every "gun control" measure as a "reasonable" step that supposedly would not infringe upon the rights of law-abiding citizens to target shoot, hunt, or protect themselves from violent crime.

Anyone inclined to trust these assertions would be wise to study the history of firearms registration, not in Nazi Germany, or Soviet Russia or Communist China, but in 1967 New York City when Mayor John V. Lindsay signed into law a long gun registration ordinance passed by the New York City Council.

Under that law, every citizen who possessed or would later possess any rifle or shotgun within the five boroughs of New York City was required to register it by make, model and serial number, and obtain an inexpensive permit to possess it.

The fee was set at a modest $3.00, which figure City Councilman Theodore Weiss, sponsor of the bill, with great sincerity pledged would never be raised, and that the municipality would always bear the brunt of the actual costs of administering the law.

In an effort to allay firearms owners' fear of registration, The New York Times, never a friend to firearms-owners, editorially assured everyone that the bill:

...would protect the constitutional rights of owners and buyers. The purpose of registration would not be to prohibit but to control dangerous weapons.
Interestingly, just after the bill became law, a 16 December 1967 Times editorial entitled Encouraging Rifle Registration opposed the Mayor's proposed amendments to increase the fee to $10.00, or to $25.00 as he had originally proposed, expressing concern that...

...too-high license fees right off the bat would undermine effective operation of the law. The idea is to get maximum registration for the public safety.
The onimous hint of what was to come, of course, is in the phrase "right off the bat," and should have raised alarms that this was indeed, in an expression made infamous 30 years later by anti-gun politico Charles Schumer, the "camel's nose under the tent," for the fee had as if by wizardry escallated to $55.00! And then, on 12 July 2004, that permit fee rose again... to $140.00, an increase in excess of 4,600%. One cannot accuse the New York City Council of encouraging new registrations!

Most significantly, just before the registration bill became law, one-time (1962) U.S. District Attorney for the Southern District of New York and former New York City Police Commissioner Vincent L. Broderick, who was later given a federal judgeship (U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York in 1976), testified at a City Council committee hearing on the legislation that the philosophy underlying the bill was "all wrong," since in Broderick's view, it assumed that all law-abiding citizens somehow had a "right to own shotguns or rifles," adding:

There should be no right to possess a firearm of any sort in 20th Century New York City, and unless good and sufficient reason is shown by an applicant, permission to possess a gun should not be granted.2
Fast forward to 1991 when the New York City Council, at the urging of Mayor David N. Dinkins, passed, and the Mayor signed into law3, an out-and-out prohibition on the private possession of certain semi-automatic rifles and shotguns... namely, various imitation or look-alike "assault" firearms. The ban was flat in the sense that it applied regardless of reason or need for the firearm... and it was passed despite then-Police Commissioner Lee Brown's testimony that no "assault weapon" registered with the Firearms Control Bureau had been used in a violent crime in New York City. Mayor Dinkins' response to that bit of information was that he wanted "to send a message."

New York City firearms owners' message back to Dinkins was the chant "We complied, you lied!" Then they made sure he was a one-term mayor.

The year following the enactment of the prohibition, a man's home in Staten Island was raided by the police after he had announced that he would not comply with the city's ban. He was arrested, his guns were seized, and a New York City Police Department spokesman rationalized its actions against the citizen by citing his defiance as proof that he was unfit to possess firearms, telling The New York Daily News:

...obviously, someone like that shouldn't be allowed to have guns!
NYPD had notified some (but, inexplicably, not all!) of the 2,340 New Yorkers who had been licensed earlier to possess semi-automatic rifles and shotguns that any of those licensed firearms that were covered by the ban had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable or physically removed from the city. The recipients of the notification were directed to send back a sworn statement indicating what had been done with those firearms.

The department subsequently announced that the majority... 2,615 out of 3,360... of these previously-registered faux "assault firearms" had been taken out of the city. In addition, Jeremy Travis, NYPD's Deputy Commissioner of Legal Matters, told The Daily News:

...for now, the department is taking owners at their word, but spot checks are planned.

This once unthinkable situation in New York City demonstrates that those who had opposed the concept of registration back in 1967, and were dismissed as "paranoid," were not only not paranoid but were remarkably prescient. (Still not concerned? Watch what's happening right now in California!) For New York City's sad scenario vividly exemplifies the nationwide plan of the gun-grabbers to destroy the civil right and liberty, guaranteed by the Second Amendment, to keep and bear arms... not to mention other provisions of the Constitution.

This plan should now be apparent to all but the most easily gulled:

Initial Step, enact a nationwide firearms waiting period law.

Second Step, when the waiting period doesn't reduce crime, then enact a national registration law.

Final Step, confiscate all the registered firearms.

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe," then U.S. Senator-elect Dianne Feinstein told the Associated Press on 18 November 1993.

The California Democrat is still in the Senate, and she hasn't changed her mind one iota.

With guns, we are citizens. Without them, we are subjects.
 
I am not a gun control advocate although I still do not see why anyone needs an assault weapon like a .50 caliber or an Uzi. That said, while I do not feel the need to arm myself for protection, I don't mind others doing so.
 
Yopu COMPLETELY miss the point Bluepeter.. it isnt about whther or not you actually own a gun..

Its about having the freedom of choice.. The FOUNDING ideal of this country.

Gum laws have no effect on criminals.. why would a criminal register his weapon knowing he will use it in a crime..
 
Bluepeter is OK on this - he has his own views but does not want to tell others what to do.

I don't have a problem with law abiding citizens owning rocket launchers, bombs, tanks, jets and all that.
 
bluepeter said:
I am not a gun control advocate although I still do not see why anyone needs an assault weapon like a .50 caliber or an Uzi. That said, while I do not feel the need to arm myself for protection, I don't mind others doing so.


What if you govt every sees fit to kill all people of your wifes nationality. How are you going to protect her?
 
curling said:
What if you govt every sees fit to kill all people of your wifes nationality. How are you going to protect her?

That's why I live in Canada :D

Seriously, some of you need to read my post again. I'm not a control advocate, you want the right to arm yourself, all the power to you. I may not agree but the choice is yours. What I really don't like is the assault weapons like a .50 caliber because it has no practical use (such as self-defense) to a civilian. However, you want one, go get it.
 
bluepeter said:
That's why I live in Canada :D

I wonder if some Jews that were in Germany pre ww2 said the same thing about Germany. I think alot of people put waaaayyy to much faith in their govt. Our forefathers new govt could go corupt and that is why they had the forthought to let its citizens have the right to bear arms.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
So what you're implying is that liberals advocate gun control to aid in their plans for genocide?

do i think every member of the gun control lobby is a secret advocate of gun control? no. they are useful idiots.

gun control has only led to bad things each and every time it's been tried.
 
curling said:
I wonder if some Jews that were in Germany pre ww2 said the same thing about Germany. I think alot of people put waaaayyy to much faith in their govt. Our forefathers new govt could go corupt and that is why they had the forthought to let its citizens have the right to bear arms.

Fair enough although I was referring more to the fact that we can live in a city in this country without hearing automatic weapons fire every other day or having 10-15 murders on a weekend (that's about 4 months worth for Toronto)...........
 
p0ink said:
do i think every member of the gun control lobby is a secret advocate of gun control? no. they are useful idiots.

gun control has only led to bad things each and every time it's been tried.

What bad things happened as a result of the assault weapon ban or the Brady Law?
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
What bad things happened as a result of the assault weapon ban or the Brady Law?

If some tryranical govt was trying to genocide you and your family. Which weapon would you rather have to fight them off a 5 round deer rifle or an uzi and an AK?
 
all cited countries were autocratic. something to think about.

You really think an american army that draws upon democratic citizenry to serve is going to perpetrate crimes (including genocide) against their peers?
 
curling said:
I wonder if some Jews that were in Germany pre ww2 said the same thing about Germany. I think alot of people put waaaayyy to much faith in their govt. Our forefathers new govt could go corupt and that is why they had the forthought to let its citizens have the right to bear arms.


there were very few Jews in Germany. Only about .5%; the Germans had to go find them.

Nevertheless, the rules for imposing martial law are as follows:

1. disarm the populace
2. impose martial law

Liberals do not see gun control as a means to hasten genocide. But their thought process is the same. (bring it haters, I'll explain).

Modern liberals seek to tell people what they should do. Increased taxes, more social programs, gun control, etc. These are at the heart of today's liberal agenda. All of these can be cloaked in the rhetoric of "we want to solve problems".

Social programs help the poor and the old, gun control prevents violence, etc.

While well intentioned, liberals add a component to these that undermine them: government imposition. For example, social programs ARE noble, charities are a wonderful expression of man's best assets. FORCING people to contribute is offensive to the idea of individual rights and our rationality.

Gun control is a noble thing - guns can kill people. Individuals who choose to use guns should be made aware of the deadly power of a gun and know how to use it. Efforts should be made to keep gunds out of the hands of criminals. But at NO POINT should the rights of law abiding citizens to own a gun ever be infringed or restricted. Education, not legislation, is the answer to gun issues.

When you use the government to impose social programs, there is no charity. There is only compliance under pain of imprisonment. The property of individuals is taken from them and given to someone else by law under pain of jail. There is no redresss for grievances.

When guns are taken by the government, all means of redress are finally and forever removed. The ultimate outcome of the modern liberal stance is not the solution of social issues, but the imprisonment of man to an all powerful state against which man has no recourse or redress.

Genocide follows.

Liberalism is a philosophy that hates people and is destructive. I cannot understand why anyone adheres to it.
 
Poink, next time you post article, use the poll feature.

The poll should ask:

"Do any of you guys actually read the shit I post? Yes or No"
 
HS Lifter said:
Poink, next time you post article, use the poll feature.

The poll should ask:

"Do any of you guys actually read the shit I post? Yes or No"

You don't find this interesting? I mean this is some of the best stuff yet against gun control.
 
curling said:
You don't find this interesting? I mean this is some of the best stuff yet against gun control.

I breifly glance over the articles, and NO, I dont find it interesting.

You actually read it from beginning to end?
 
HS Lifter said:
I breifly glance over the articles, and NO, I dont find it interesting.

You actually read it from beginning to end?

Well not all of it I mainly glance over it but this part stood out:

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control1 in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: at least 56 million... that we know about.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
Gun control is a noble thing - guns can kill people. Individuals who choose to use guns should be made aware of the deadly power of a gun and know how to use it. Efforts should be made to keep gunds out of the hands of criminals. But at NO POINT should the rights of law abiding citizens to own a gun ever be infringed or restricted. Education, not legislation, is the answer to gun issues.

This is true, 67% of the time.

For the other 33%, what do you suggest, Matthew?
 
XBiker said:
This is true, 67% of the time.

For the other 33%, what do you suggest, Matthew?


I would suggest to you that those who would use a gun to kill another person in anything other than self defense would have found a gun to use regardless of it's legality.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
Modern liberals seek to tell people what they should do. Increased taxes, more social programs, gun control, etc. These are at the heart of today's liberal agenda. All of these can be cloaked in the rhetoric of "we want to solve problems".

Careful with the generalizations...

neocons want to outlaw abortion, have prayer in public schools, prevent gays from marrying, push the drug war, etc.

those all fall under the rubric of "telling people what do to," and mostly don't even have the connotation of "we want to solve problems"
 
casualbb said:
all cited countries were autocratic. something to think about.

You really think an american army that draws upon democratic citizenry to serve is going to perpetrate crimes (including genocide) against their peers?

Boo-yah. Karma.

casualbb said:
Careful with the generalizations...

neocons want to outlaw abortion, have prayer in public schools, prevent gays from marrying, push the drug war, etc.

those all fall under the rubric of "telling people what do to," and mostly don't even have the connotation of "we want to solve problems"

(Boo-yah)²
 
sweet! maybe we can roundup and kill some Republicans.
 
casualbb said:
Careful with the generalizations...

neocons want to outlaw abortion, have prayer in public schools, prevent gays from marrying, push the drug war, etc.

those all fall under the rubric of "telling people what do to," and mostly don't even have the connotation of "we want to solve problems"

That's all true, both parties are actually statists, but your response misses the point: saying that Group A is doing the same thing as Group B does not absolve or validate as acceptable the actions of Group A.

Members of Group A confer on themselves no special benefit by saying "we're not the only assholes".
 
its still very easy for a convicted fellon's to get guns.....what should be done about that pOink...? we how much you want to excute crimals
 
XBiker said:
This is true, 67% of the time.

For the other 33%, what do you suggest, Matthew?

suggest you refigure your numbers, Steven.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
That's all true, both parties are actually statists, but your response misses the point: saying that Group A is doing the same thing as Group B does not absolve or validate as acceptable the actions of Group A.

Members of Group A confer on themselves no special benefit by saying "we're not the only assholes".

I wasn't trying to absolve dems of any guilt with respect to statism

the conservatives here always say "liberals want to tell people what to do"
I was pointing out that they do it too, making them hypocritical.
 
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