The "Bottom Line" truth about why Nelson was really fired from T-Mag!!!

[Big Bad Buff]

When one of the readers inquired about why Nelson was really fired from T-Mag here was their response. To verfiy this please follow the link.... Nelson you are full of shit!!!! You're busted! You fraud!

http://www.t-mag.com/nation_articles/244rm.jsp

"As far as Nelson, he has published a book or booklet about the bodybuilding world and as I understand it, we're featured in it. Nelson claims to have worked for us and that we fired him because he refused to endorse ZMA (the magnesium and zinc supplement). That's our alleged "scam."

Let me just say that Nelson never "worked" for us. He was simply a freelancer. We stopped using him because he was one of those guys that burrows his way into every company sooner or later. In other words, a termite that tries to destroy the company's infrastructure. There wasn't a week that went by where some loyal T-mag contributor wouldn't email me to let me know that Nelson was badmouthing me for not recognizing his "genius" or that he was being nosy about how much money each contributor made.

Apparently, he was extremely jealous that I hired Chris Shugart to be my assistant editor rather than him.

So, in an effort to rid myself of a pain in the ass, I stopped assigning him articles. He was, for a time, a valuable contributor, but he wasn't worth the high maintenance he required to make him happy. And, I'm guessing here, in order to strike back at us and to make some money, he wrote a book, or pamphlet, or poison letter, whichever term fits best.

If you want proof about the ZMA assertion, check out some of the early T-mag articles by Brock Strasser where he simply tore ZMA apart. Did we muzzle him or "fire" Brock? No.

In case you're too lazy to do a search, here's a passage from Brock's Strasseroids column from issue #94:

"And I don't like ZMA, either. I think that it's just an overpriced zinc supplement and will only assist in raising Testosterone levels if and only if you're deficient in zinc, which is exactly what every study that I've read on ZMA conveys."

Obviously, a lot of people disagreed with him about ZMA, but we sure as hell didn't censor him.

Anyhow, I hope that's enough of an answer for you, David."

There it is there Nelson. YOU WERE NEVER FIRED BECAUSE YOU REFUSED TO ENDORSE ZMA. YOU WERE FIRED BECAUSE YOU WERE AN INCOMPETENT PAIN IN THE ASS! GO FIGURE!

 

[Big Bad Buff]

Here is yet another link explaining the "real" situation behind why Nelson was fired! Nelson actually stuck his dick in someone's lunch! This is no joke. See link below. Unbelievable!!

http://t-mag.com/html/body_123tc.html

In reference to Nelson, here's what they said...

"We recently told one of our former contributors that we couldn't use his work anymore. Now, this was a free-lancer who was completely unknown in the industry before we gave him a chance. This was a guy who was, despite his age, a novice writer, never having written anything for publication that we're aware of.

So we take a chance on the guy. But try as we might, he won't take any coaching. He refuses to crack open a textbook and his articles are rife with technical inaccuracies — so many that a few slip by and end up causing us big-time embarrassment. He turns every article, every interview, into a tribute to himself, even interjecting quasi-political viewpoints about such issues as gun control. We edit, rewrite, and edit, and we try to work with him, but most of our suggestions are met with resistance and a reminder of his allegedly high IQ.

Furthermore, he contacts practically all our other writers, privately, and tries to stir up trouble, playing one against the other, spreading half-truth rumors and downright lying — never satisfied with anything and jealous of everyone else with whom he has to share the limelight.

We fully realize we're working with someone who has some ego problems, but our patience starts to wear thin and reaches critical mass when we catch him putting his dick into Tim's lunch. Yep, we open up the kitchen door, and there he is, burying his unit into Tim's carton of Knudsen's cottage cheese.

Insert BBB - that one was my personal favorite. What a LMAO!

That's the thanks we get. Okay, maybe that didn't happen, but it might as well have.

So we let him go, not that, as a freelancer, he was ever really employed by us.

We forget about him, forge ahead with the mission plan, but weeks later, he resurfaces on another site, this time talking about how he quit because we're "not hardcore" anymore; how we're "sellouts"; and how his high moral integrity wouldn't allow him to continue.

When I first read that, I choked up a little piece of tuna-fish sandwich I was eating and had to give myself a Heimlich. Any fool can look at our early issues and see that we're far more ballsy, interesting, and "hardcore" now. And ironically, paradoxically, gastrointestinally, and a whole bunch of other "ally" words, this guy was anything but hardcore, often trying to get me to accept milquetoast articles. A lot of his stuff, once reworked and massaged, was acceptable, but hardcore? Gimme' a break.

Maybe he's just pissed 'cuz, unlike Lisa who sold her boyfriend's ring, he didn't get any boobs out of the deal. But he did get a liposuction ab job (as part of an article), done by the world-renown Dr. Bruce Nadler.

Furthermore, this person of "high moral integrity" has joined up with some of the worst bastards this business has ever seen crawl out of the primordial ooze.

It's almost as if this site was developed with the sole purpose of attacking Biotest and Testosterone, and they "hired" this ex-Testosterone writer so he could badmouth us. Because of his hurt feelings, he's taken back all the good things he said about our supplements, our company, and us, as individuals.

Bad break-up. Lots of boo-hoo hurt feelings. Man, we're just lucky we didn't pose naked for him!

Face it, most relationships, business or otherwise, eventually come to an end. And we think a man's character is best defined on how he ends things, rather than how he managed through the good times.

Anyhow, I fully understand what this individual and this other company is doing. They act like they've got Mad Cow Disease, but in reality, they probably don't.

When you start a new company, particularly a new bodybuilding Internet company, you struggle for recognition and hits. You do everything short of posting nasty pictures of your wife to get people to check out your site. So maybe you decide you have to get down and dirty, maybe even attack someone who's successful. You take credit for their products, call them shysters, and maybe even throw some high drama into the picture by saying that their products will kill users, kill them dead just by opening up a bottle and taking a whiff! Omygod! Omygod!

So, in most cases, the company that's being attacked is forced to reply in some fashion. In doing so, they give the name-calling, libel-slewing company instant credibility, and they create curiosity about the sleezeballs. Instant hits to their site! Here comes the moolah! "Mr. Ferrari dealer? Order me that-there red Testarossa, please!"

I've even been guilty of the same thing, but to a much more benign degree. When we started Biotest/Testosterone, I tried to gently goad my previous partner/employer into mentioning us in Muscle Media by making jokes about him. But noooo, Bill Phillips was way too smart for that. He never mentioned us (the bastard)! So, we had to get readers the old-fashioned way; we had to earn them by doing quality work.

We've learned to show some restraint, too. When the snot-nosed eight-year-old down the street rides his bike over your freshly planted lawn and rips up the turf so that it looks like you just staged a Monster Truck rally, and then sticks his tongue out at you as he rides away, you have an impulse to beat the Holy Hell out of him. But you don't. You hope he grows out of it and becomes a respectable citizen.

Of course, once in awhile, he grows up and ends up perched in a clock tower, plugging people, and you would have done the world a favor if you had thrown the kid in a leaf mulcher, but hey, whadda' ya' gonna' do?

Similarly, when we read some libelous attacks, we may initially feel like dropping everything and attacking the bad men, but ultimately, the reader suffers. He reads the Hatfield-McCoy bullshit, sighs, looks at his smallish biceps, and says, "Who cares about that stuff? What about my guns?"

It's funny, but I liken the whole Internet/bodybuilding business to Stephen King's novel, The Stand. It's like the "Walking Dude" and his evil minions have taken up residence in one part of the Internet, while the good guys have congregated with Testosterone, which must make Tim, in accordance with the novel, the oldest living black woman in the world. The only difference is that he lives in Colorado Springs, and not Boulder.

We sometimes imagine what it would be like if other companies in other industries acted like the bodybuilding business. "Your brand of toothpaste blows!" "Our diapers can hold a lot more shit than yours!" "If you wear their brand of bra, your breasts will get all waffly looking, and no man will love you!"

Of course, no industry is so rife with fraud and really, really, pathetic advertising like bodybuilding is.

So we sigh, shake our heads, and take up business as usual, making sure that we find the best writers, strength coaches, scientists, and generally all-round cool guys to give you what I think is easily the most informative, innovative, and entertaining site out there.

So far, it's been an incredible success. We write what's exciting and interesting to us, and we make the supplements we want to use. And hopefully, you like the same kinds of things we do, or we're in big trouble — because that's all we know.

Thankfully, you guys and us guys do think alike, which has resulted in phenomenal growth over the last three years. In fact, the rate at which we're growing is making the rest of the industry wail and gnash their teeth. And that's why they want us to talk about them so they'll at least attract some foot traffic.

Fat chance, suckers!

So if you stray off the path occasionally to check out a new website or chatroom and you note that they're bashing us with all the fervor of a methamphetamine-crazed sociopath, don't expect us to roll out the heavy artillery every time. After all, they're just trying to raise a ruckus and get noticed, the same way a spoiled three-year old does when his parents and friends try to have an adult conversation.

Either that, or they're trying to exact a certain measure of revenge, like Lisa's boyfriend, who, for all his troubles, doesn't even get to play with her boobs."

 

[Big Bad Buff]

Owned again!!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, quite frankly , that's a bunch of shit -- unless you want to believe TC Luoma -- the guy who claims to have gained 20 pounds on every new supplement he sells and who promoted Methoxy 7 and Myostatin as the greatest muscle building compounds since steroids.

I didn't read the whole thing, but my leaving never had anything to do with ZMA although they didn't like the fact that I said it was an overpriced product from the start and they claimed they weren't interested in marketing it, which of course, was a lie.

I give a full explanation of what REALLY went down there in Bottom Line Bodybuilding so I'm not going to address everything except that if I was a "freelancer" then what was I doing writing the majority of the articles in 98' and 99'?

Jealous of Chris Shugart? That's TC's imaginaton. He's a little prissy cunt. I never dealt with Shugart and never voiced an opinion -- ever. He was coming in as I was going out. Besides, Shugart never wrote anything original. (Oh wait a minute. he did d a re-write of my personal training article complete with plagerized text). Shugart was hired to do mostly interviews, which I didn''t care for so there was no jealousy at all. I thought he did a fine job with the interviews from what I saw.

The truth is both Charles Poliquin and I were fired the same day since we both voiced our opinion on both the direction of site and the dubious nature of some of the supplements they started to sell. (So I guess Charles Poliquin is also a phony and a fraud. ) Others, such as Shugart and Roberts were willing to sell out. We weren't. I think TC also hated the fact that both Charles and I had more fans.

BBB can believe anyone he wants, even a crew that has a reputation for being scammers and con men. In the meantime, his bizarre homoerotic obsession with me will continue until he's banned. Mods? How much longer?

 

[Big Bad Buff]

What about the part where you stuck your dick in Tim's lunch!!!!??? What's wrong wiht you Nelson you sick preverted human being??? You actually stuck your dick in someone's lunch you sicko???? Did you read this part??

"We fully realize we're working with someone who has some ego problems, but our patience starts to wear thin and reaches critical mass when we catch him putting his dick into Tim's lunch. Yep, we open up the kitchen door, and there he is, burying his unit into Tim's carton of Knudsen's cottage cheese."

 

[Big Bad Buff]

I am absolutely speechless! You have a lot of explaining to do Montana. You say I need help when you were the one caught sticking your dick in someone's cottage cheese!!!??? It reminds me of that guy on American Pie. Sick, sick, sick...

 

[meowcat]

i haven't read perhaps only one or two useful articles on T-Mag though i've read a lot of useful info in Nelson's book and on this website.so i really don't care.i just don't understand this obsession with slandering Nelson.i also don't understand why Nelson does'nt just ban these people.

 

[ham2]

how many HOURS did it take to dig out some eenie-weenie-meanie-moe 56 paragraphs article about why Montana (supposedly) got fired from what has been addressed as a joke WWW newsletter anyway?
Is that worth it?

 

[F117A Active Stealth]

The truth is both Charles Poliquin and I were fired the same day since we both voiced our opinion on both the direction of site and the dubious nature of some of the supplements they started to sell. (So I guess Charles Poliquin is also a phony and a fraud. ) Others, such as Shugart and Roberts were willing to sell out. We weren't. I think TC also hated the fact that both Charles and I had more fans.

Funny because I believe you more than I do them. I tried their crappy supplements, falling into the hoopla, and got dipstick all. That literally was a waste of like $600 on stuff I got from them. Forget it, never again....

 

[fogg88]

We fully realize we're working with someone who has some ego problems, but our patience starts to wear thin and reaches critical mass when we catch him putting his dick into Tim's lunch. Yep, we open up the kitchen door, and there he is, burying his unit into Tim's carton of Knudsen's cottage cheese.

Insert BBB - that one was my personal favorite. What a LMAO!

That's the thanks we get. Okay, maybe that didn't happen, but it might as well have.

How many posts are you going to make swearing that Nelson really did fuck the cottage cheese before you re-read the article you copy-n-pasted. It's pretty clear that it's just TC's own lame 7th-grade-level jab at Nelson.

(For the record, I'm not a Nelson brown-noser either. I've gotten some great info from him, and I also think some of his other stuff is junk. ...that goes for most people on this board.)