Thank you.... and now your thoughts please

[femlez]

I am an experienced, hard gainer and am about to go on this "feminine" cycle (after i get over this chest cold) and am thinking of replacing the winstrol with primo..... experienced members thoughts please?? (Sorry to of taken up so much room!!!)

Week One
100mg/Deca/week
25mg/Proviron/day
10mg/Nolvadex/day

Week Two
100mg/Deca/week
25mg/Proviron/day
10mg/Nolvadex/day

Week Three
100mg/Deca/week
25mg/Proviron/day
10mg/Nolvadex/day

Week Four
100mg/Deca/week
25mg/Proviron/day
10mg/Nolvadex/day
6g/Winstrol/day
Week Five
100mg/Deca/week
10mg/Nolvadex/day
7mg/Winstrol/day

Week Six
100mg/Deca/week
50mcg/Clenbuterol/2xs/day
7mg/Winstrol/day

Week Seven
100mg/Deca/week
50mcg/Clenbuterol/2xs/day

Week Eight
100mg/Deca/week
50mcg/Clenbuterol/2xs/day




The rationale for the above AS cycle is as follows:

1) 100mg Deca Durabolin for eight weeks was intended to be a steady and solid mass builder, but dosed for subtle and non-virilizing effects.

2) 25mg of Proviron per day for the first four weeks was intended to provide a mild androgenic; to potentiate the activity of the other steroidal compounds being added in by displacing them into the bloodstream; and, to promote a change in the ratio of androgen vs estrogen in the female composition allowing for greater solid gains, and to promote the fat-burning process.

Beyond four weeks of usage is not advised for women due to the strong androgenic buildup which could occur, and which could trigger virilization. Also, 25mg is the maximum recommended dose per day for a feminine cycle for the same reasons.

3) 10mg of Nolvadex per day in conjunction with the Proviron is a powerful tool in continuing to rev up the fat-burning and to begin to tackle the trouble areas such as the hips, thighs, etc.

4) Winstrol was added in the fourth week as she prepared to remove the Proviron from the lineup. She did not want too much androgenic/anabolic activity at once for fear of side effects. Winny tabs were used due to the difficulty of administering small enough feminine doses via injection.

5) Clenbuterol was added in the sixth week as she prepared to remove the Winstrol from her cycle. As there is differing opinions as to the anabolic effects of Clenbuterol, this supplement was added primarily as a fat-burner and the daily dose of 100mcg was split into morning and afternoon.

Most studies show that Clen loses much of its effect after 21days, hence, this was added in for basically the last 3 weeks of her anabolics.

 

[The Shadow]

1) 100mg Deca Durabolin for eight weeks was intended to be a steady and solid mass builder, but dosed for subtle and non-virilizing effects.


DECA ISNT A GOOD CHOICE FOR WOMEN ANYMORE AS THERE ARE FASTER ACTING ESTERS AROUND

2) 25mg of Proviron per day for the first four weeks was intended to provide a mild androgenic; to potentiate the activity of the other steroidal compounds being added in by displacing them into the bloodstream; and, to promote a change in the ratio of androgen vs estrogen in the female composition allowing for greater solid gains, and to promote the fat-burning process.

WELL...IT IS VERY ANDORGENIC SO SIDE WILL MOST LIKELY BE A PROBLEM

Beyond four weeks of usage is not advised for women due to the strong androgenic buildup which could occur, and which could trigger virilization. Also, 25mg is the maximum recommended dose per day for a feminine cycle for the same reasons.

3) 10mg of Nolvadex per day in conjunction with the Proviron is a powerful tool in continuing to rev up the fat-burning and to begin to tackle the trouble areas such as the hips, thighs, etc.


WOMEN SHOULDNT BE USING NOLVADEX...GO WITH YOHIMBURN

4) Winstrol was added in the fourth week as she prepared to remove the Proviron from the lineup. She did not want too much androgenic/anabolic activity at once for fear of side effects. Winny tabs were used due to the difficulty of administering small enough feminine doses via injection.

DOSING ISNT THE PROBLEM....WINNY IS THE PROBLEM...ITS A SNAKE BITE DRUG PURE ANS SIMPLE

5) Clenbuterol was added in the sixth week as she prepared to remove the Winstrol from her cycle. As there is differing opinions as to the anabolic effects of Clenbuterol, this supplement was added primarily as a fat-burner and the daily dose of 100mcg was split into morning and afternoon.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CLEN...50 MCG AT ONCE MIGHT BE HARSH

Most studies show that Clen loses much of its effect after 21days, hence, this was added in for basically the last 3 weeks of her anabolics.




IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD SUGGESTTHE FOLLOWING:


NANDROLONE PHENYL PROP - 10-20 MG EOD

ANAVAR START AT 5 MG DAILY AND IF NO SIDES BUILD TO 5 MG 2X PER DAY

CLEN FROM START TO FINISH ON A TWO WEEK ON - ONE WEEK OFF, ALTERNATING WITH A FAT BURNER LIKE T-REX ON WEEKS OFF....START AT 40 MCG AND BUILD UNTIL SIDES ARE AN ISSUE.

YOHIMBURN THROUGHOUT

KEEP PROTEIN HIGH AND ADD SOME PEPTIDE GLUTAMINE DAILY.

 

[femlez]

Re: ok Shadow....

I can not seem to locate anyone who has nandrolone in any other base than deconate..... also, on that cycle substitute var for winny the last 3 weeks??... Thanks a bunch!

 

[The Shadow]

Re: ok Shadow....

I can not seem to locate anyone who has nandrolone in any other base than deconate..... also, on that cycle substitute var for winny the last 3 weeks??... Thanks a bunch!

...re-read my thoughts please......

 

[velvett]

Lay that smack down Shadow!


Seriously, I would re-read and study what he said.

 

[*MissFit*]

He's the man

 

[Sassy69]

One of the biggest issues w/ winny for women is that the results are extremely dependent on how the individual responds to it. Plus it is more androgenic than var. With a pretty serious stack like this is talking, unless the subject is experienced with and works very well & predictably w/ winny, it just gets dicey.

 

[ChefWide]

1) 100mg Deca Durabolin for eight weeks was intended to be a steady and solid mass builder, but dosed for subtle and non-virilizing effects.


DECA ISNT A GOOD CHOICE FOR WOMEN ANYMORE AS THERE ARE FASTER ACTING ESTERS AROUND

2) 25mg of Proviron per day for the first four weeks was intended to provide a mild androgenic; to potentiate the activity of the other steroidal compounds being added in by displacing them into the bloodstream; and, to promote a change in the ratio of androgen vs estrogen in the female composition allowing for greater solid gains, and to promote the fat-burning process.

WELL...IT IS VERY ANDORGENIC SO SIDE WILL MOST LIKELY BE A PROBLEM

Beyond four weeks of usage is not advised for women due to the strong androgenic buildup which could occur, and which could trigger virilization. Also, 25mg is the maximum recommended dose per day for a feminine cycle for the same reasons.

3) 10mg of Nolvadex per day in conjunction with the Proviron is a powerful tool in continuing to rev up the fat-burning and to begin to tackle the trouble areas such as the hips, thighs, etc.


WOMEN SHOULDNT BE USING NOLVADEX...GO WITH YOHIMBURN

4) Winstrol was added in the fourth week as she prepared to remove the Proviron from the lineup. She did not want too much androgenic/anabolic activity at once for fear of side effects. Winny tabs were used due to the difficulty of administering small enough feminine doses via injection.

DOSING ISNT THE PROBLEM....WINNY IS THE PROBLEM...ITS A SNAKE BITE DRUG PURE ANS SIMPLE

5) Clenbuterol was added in the sixth week as she prepared to remove the Winstrol from her cycle. As there is differing opinions as to the anabolic effects of Clenbuterol, this supplement was added primarily as a fat-burner and the daily dose of 100mcg was split into morning and afternoon.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CLEN...50 MCG AT ONCE MIGHT BE HARSH

Most studies show that Clen loses much of its effect after 21days, hence, this was added in for basically the last 3 weeks of her anabolics.




IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD SUGGESTTHE FOLLOWING:


NANDROLONE PHENYL PROP - 10-20 MG EOD

ANAVAR START AT 5 MG DAILY AND IF NO SIDES BUILD TO 5 MG 2X PER DAY

CLEN FROM START TO FINISH ON A TWO WEEK ON - ONE WEEK OFF, ALTERNATING WITH A FAT BURNER LIKE T-REX ON WEEKS OFF....START AT 40 MCG AND BUILD UNTIL SIDES ARE AN ISSUE.

YOHIMBURN THROUGHOUT

KEEP PROTEIN HIGH AND ADD SOME PEPTIDE GLUTAMINE DAILY.

Shaddow, you are a wonderdude. One thought, if I may be as so bold: chronic yohimburn/yohimbine dosing for 8 weeks will cause a major receptor site attenuation, and doing a two week on one week off is a very good call with the yohimburn as well.

This works out very well with the the clen stagger, as yohimburn can be tough on that first few clen days as the body starts to ramp up to the clen, stagering its usage to avoid it on week one of every new clen phase leaves the yohimburn in on the trex week: very good stuff.

Three week phases:

Week one: clen
week two: clen and yohimburn
week three: trex-yohimburn

lather, rince, repeat as needed.

Does that make any sence? Havent had coffee yet...

 

[The Shadow]

Shaddow, you are a wonderdude. One thought, if I may be as so bold: chronic yohimburn/yohimbine dosing for 8 weeks will cause a major receptor site attenuation, and doing a two week on one week off is a very good call with the yohimburn as well.

This works out very well with the the clen stagger, as yohimburn can be tough on that first few clen days as the body starts to ramp up to the clen, stagering its usage to avoid it on week one of every new clen phase leaves the yohimburn in on the trex week: very good stuff.

Three week phases:

Week one: clen
week two: clen and yohimburn
week three: trex-yohimburn

lather, rince, repeat as needed.

Does that make any sence? Havent had coffee yet...

Sure...that would woprk well for fat loss.


on a dise - I have not seemd to pedsobnallynotice any loss in results from doing the yohimburn of rmore than two weeks, but that could affect some folks....oral seems to downgrade faster than topical

 

[*MissFit*]

Sure...that would woprk well for fat loss.


on a dise - I have not seemd to pedsobnallynotice any loss in results from doing the yohimburn of rmore than two weeks, but that could affect some folks....oral seems to downgrade faster than topical

I actually did stop taking clen.. as i noticed i was losing weight and that is not my goal, but i wasnt doing the two week on, two week off cycle of clen i was doing 2 days on 2days off.. which is anthoer method of taking it.