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bgriffin989
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What's ur cycle history? How long do you plan on running test e/EQ? And at what doses?
Your pct looks like complete shit.. Are you running an ai to prevent estrogen sides while on cycle? What are your support supps?
Your pct looks like complete shit.. Are you running an ai to prevent estrogen sides while on cycle? What are your support supps?
infraredline
Banned
What is your height?
if you can't get hcg then forget about running an injectable cycle.
in the year 2012 every injectable cycle should have hcg blasted before pct END OF STORY.
its the best thing since sliced turkey
get the proper ancillaries in your hand before even thinking about running steroids especially for a 160 pound skinny 21 year old kid with no base.. and at that weight i hope you are 5 4 or shorter because otherwise you need a total overhaul of your 4 years of training. working out just on the weekends for the past 4 years doesn't count as training in my book. not being harsh but we've had too many guys who don't listen fuck themselves up lately who had no business juicing (see criminal10dinc log for an example).. and we tell them over and over to don't do it but they insist anyway and go nowhere
in the year 2012 every injectable cycle should have hcg blasted before pct END OF STORY.
its the best thing since sliced turkey
get the proper ancillaries in your hand before even thinking about running steroids especially for a 160 pound skinny 21 year old kid with no base.. and at that weight i hope you are 5 4 or shorter because otherwise you need a total overhaul of your 4 years of training. working out just on the weekends for the past 4 years doesn't count as training in my book. not being harsh but we've had too many guys who don't listen fuck themselves up lately who had no business juicing (see criminal10dinc log for an example).. and we tell them over and over to don't do it but they insist anyway and go nowhere
bgriffin989
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Ok so drop the EQ.. Not a long enough cycle to run it IMO.. You could front load the test e with something like dbol or winny.. You will need an ai like aromasin or arimedex.
Pct- post cycle/ unleashed
Formastanazol
Clomid-50,25,25,12.5
DAA
I would run some hcgenerate while on cycle to lessen supression...
You can get the postcycle/unleashed and DAA from ntbm.com
You can get formastanazol from mrsupps.com
And you can get your AI from chemicalneed.com
I back all 3 sites up! Most legit products out there!
I'm 5'4 bro.
well is there like a certain name for an hcg product that i can reach in a pharmacy?
My coach suggested the following 14 week cycle:
sust- 750mg/week
boldenon- 500mg/week
pct- liver support pills + clomid + nolva
what do guys think? is it a fucked up cycle?
bgriffin989
New member
Yes... You need a Base to run that much gear man.. And ur pct is fucked.. Look at what I laid out for you.. Don't do the EQ.. Stick with test or sus..
why should i drop the EQ?
for a first cycle you should run 1 compound.. that is way way way way way too much gear for a first cycle much less a 10th cycle. i have never ran more than 900mg a week in my life and your coach wants you to do 1250mg.. makes no sense to me for just a 160 pound dude.
PCT you need to read more on here and get a better pct together than that.
ok but what would be the harm of running 2 simple steroids in a first cycle? i can just lower the dosage like u said
and for the pct, what am i missing?
infraredline
Banned
Your coach is an idiot and has no business coaching if he is going to recommend a reckless cycle like that
This is your first cycle and you only weigh 160, that's decent size at your height but you could absolutely still put on more size naturally
If you are hell bent on running a cycle then all I would recommend is halodrol
This is what it should look like
Cycle:
1-6 halodrol 50/50/75/75/100/100
1-6 liver support
3-6 hcgenerate
Pct:
7-10 clomid 25mg ed
7-10 formastanzol
7-10 post cycle unleashed combo
7-10 d-aspartic acid 3g ed
bgriffin989
New member
Cuz it's ur first cycle.. NEVER run that much your first cycle.. You are 21 bro!! You have a long road ahead of you! Start small and ease your way onto gear.. You will keep more that way.. You are producing enough test/hormones naturally right now to get great gains off of diet and intense training.. I wouldn't start messing with AAS until 23 at the minimum.. But if you absolutely are gonna do it start with test only and build slowly.. Your body will thank you in the long run... Too many guys out there on TRT and HRT before 40 yo... If you are gonna mess with AAS do it the right way. Just trying to look out for your best interests..
50 mg of helladrol is a complete waste man... that's not good advice... you can run it 50 the first couple days if you want but that's even a waste... 75 is where to start it...
you want to learn the ABC's.. trust me the knowledge you have now.. if you learn as you go and keep reading on here you will laugh at yourself and your coach for that matter in a year from now when you look back.
run 1 compound and nail that cycle and pct. then later on worry about stacking.
something like what infrared wrote above for pct will work
clomid 25mg ed
formastanzol
post cycle unleashed combo
d-aspartic acid 3g ed
and during cycle you will need for sure at a minimum an AI and hcg to kickstart the pct
just keep reading man...
I already got the boldenone..
so until i make up my mind on whether to use EQ along with sust or not, can you guys tell me a good and guaranteed pct or on cycle for both choices? (sust only or sust + EQ).
important to cover all directions
Im not looking for anything expensive cause im close to being low on money. i also want the stuff to be easily reachable in most pharmacies
cheers guys
so until i make up my mind on whether to use EQ along with sust or not, can you guys tell me a good and guaranteed pct or on cycle for both choices? (sust only or sust + EQ).
important to cover all directions
Im not looking for anything expensive cause im close to being low on money. i also want the stuff to be easily reachable in most pharmacies
cheers guys
bgriffin989
New member
Read previous posts... I laid one out for you and so did infrared
infraredline
Banned
private trainer (gym coach), nothing fancy
just because this guy is a private trainer at a gym does not mean he knows what he is talking about ... any moron can go get a certificate and be a PT, its not that hard. i know at my old gym the top PT was a felon with a long crime sheet. means nothing.
there are good PT's out there, and there are many bad ones.. just like any profession.
infraredline
Banned
This hits the nail on the head, where I currently work there are people that have no business training
hey guys
just want to check in on updates.
I started the sust/Eq cycle at 500mg for both/week.
Its week 2 and im noticing few to no gains. (just a better pump and a little more power in the gym)
I was thinking i should add some dbol to kickstart gains due to the fact that both sust and bold will take alot of time to kick in.
what do you think about adding dbol? doses?
cheers
just want to check in on updates.
I started the sust/Eq cycle at 500mg for both/week.
Its week 2 and im noticing few to no gains. (just a better pump and a little more power in the gym)
I was thinking i should add some dbol to kickstart gains due to the fact that both sust and bold will take alot of time to kick in.
what do you think about adding dbol? doses?
cheers
LoveSnatches
New member
ROFL
Dude they all told you 1000mg was way too much gear a week
of course you aren't seeing gains - you don't have a decent base and you are too young. There is a thing called law of diminishing returns - if your 21 year old body has enough hormones to build muscle you just aren't eating and training right - then you could add 2000mg of test a week and it wouldn't help.
I'm 5 years older than you and have been a professional athlete - my first cycle is 75mg of halodrol and trenazone - 10 days in the side effects are too much so I'm dropping the trenazone and staying on halodrol.
Listen to your body dude
Dude they all told you 1000mg was way too much gear a week
of course you aren't seeing gains - you don't have a decent base and you are too young. There is a thing called law of diminishing returns - if your 21 year old body has enough hormones to build muscle you just aren't eating and training right - then you could add 2000mg of test a week and it wouldn't help.
I'm 5 years older than you and have been a professional athlete - my first cycle is 75mg of halodrol and trenazone - 10 days in the side effects are too much so I'm dropping the trenazone and staying on halodrol.
Listen to your body dude
infraredline
Banned
Please do not post here if your are going to completely ignore everyone who has given you advice
Have fun f***king up your body!
damn everyone is getting testy but rightfully so.
I have been juicing for years.. i have been lifting almost half my life and I'm in my 30's.. and i have never run a gram of juice a week. food for thought.
not to mention you chose 2 compounds with long esters which need to be run a long time. during that time you will experience severe suppression.. since its your first cycle you won't know what to do to combat that.. you won't know how to pct. you won't know what ancillaries to run. you are leaving yourself a small window for error here. once you stop injecting these compounds they will remain your system an additional 5 weeks. so we are talking 20 weeks being on or so total. thats way too much for a first timer.. and the fact that you won't get hcg is gonna mean your balls will be grass.
I have been juicing for years.. i have been lifting almost half my life and I'm in my 30's.. and i have never run a gram of juice a week. food for thought.
not to mention you chose 2 compounds with long esters which need to be run a long time. during that time you will experience severe suppression.. since its your first cycle you won't know what to do to combat that.. you won't know how to pct. you won't know what ancillaries to run. you are leaving yourself a small window for error here. once you stop injecting these compounds they will remain your system an additional 5 weeks. so we are talking 20 weeks being on or so total. thats way too much for a first timer.. and the fact that you won't get hcg is gonna mean your balls will be grass.
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A gram+ on a first cycle?
What the hell are you thinking kid? Your body will not thank you later.
What the hell are you thinking kid? Your body will not thank you later.
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