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Test Enthanate then Primobolan
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Mac173 said:
Yeah, I'm crazy man. It's a mystery why I'm still published, and referenced and quoted in books, magazines , newpapers and TV. They really should be asking Mac173 instead.
Dude, we were on the same page for a while and then as soon as somone takes a swipe at me, you're all over it. Can't you think for yourself?
I maintain that good gains can be made in 4 weeks -- certainly enough for a first timer to see. Advising that he do is 12 weeks is unnecessary, irresponsible and dumb. But I guess when you're a faceless nameless nobody, giving dumb advice isn't a real big risk.
Nelson Montana said:
ok. but with long esters such as enath how is it possible to make visable gains inside of 4 weeks? as i said earlier test prop no worries, but enath? i would never advise anyone to do a 12 weeks cycle first up, iv always thought 10 weeks is more than enough with a very low dose. not argueing nelson, just saying
xrsist said:
I hear what you're saying but Ent doesn't take that much longer ( a matter of hours) to become active than prop, it just lasts longer. Keep in mind, after 4 weeks you still have another 10 days or so on the back end where you're "enhanced" whereas with prop, 2 days later, it's pretty much gone. Again, if you start busting your ass right out of the gate and increase protein intake, you'll see more results within 2 weeks while "on" than if you weren't. And as I said, this would make a good "starter" cycle, though in general, I feel 6 week cycles are best. After that, the sides increase exponentially.
Didn't mean to get so angry at Mac -- it just gets annoying sometimes.
jonnyblade
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My original thought was you I would get a good boost of the test and start getting gains and not have a long enough time to get an real sides of the test, then jump on the primobolan for a month letting me recover and still giving me some gains, maybe a bit of anti e in there but not much, but maybe I am wrong in the thought process.
Mac173
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I understand where you're coming from, but c'mon what's the point in running a long ester for 4 wks when everyone seems to agree (except for you) that at around wk 4 is when the visible changes actually start to occur?Nelson Montana said:
No need to rub in every time that you are published and I'm not.
Mac173 said:
Just asking for a a little mutual respect bro. (This is where we need an icon of two dots touching gloves).
I still maintain, I see changes sooner and a lot of guys will agree. And again the point is, this guys is a newbie and should be estactic to see visable changes after a couple of weeks. Maybe he'll even keep 4-5 pounds. We've all becoem so jaded. That's pretty good!
jonnyblade said:
I do not think you need any anti e, not at this short exposure and dosages unless you are super sensitive. Estrogen usually climbs later in the cycle.
I think you are too worried about what the test sides will do to you which is valid but think about it your own test production is supressed anyway so why not do at least a 8 weeks on the test and primo together with a little of anti-e if needed?
Ive seen gains on Dianabol and Anadrol in 2 days. Does that mean i should call that a cycle and end it there. My point is when running a long ester yes it is possible to see gains in 4 weeks, but what is the definition of "gains". Im talking quality muscle and im still scepticle as to how much of that can be gained in 4 weeks running long acting esters. Just my 2cents.
c gheller said:
What you see on anadrol is water retention. That's not muscle growth. It's possible to gain 4-5 pounds in a month and keep it. If you think that isn't a lot, take a look at a 5 pound roast beef and imagine that added onto your frame. It would take a year of natural training to get that -- if at all.
