Test Enth 500mg, inject once or twice a week?

[mrt]

I plan to do a cycle with 500mg Test Enth/week, some dbol at the first 4 weeks and Ox after that. Since I've had my share with scar tissues in the past I plan to shoot all 500mg at once every week. I think it shouldn't be too much of a problem since it is a long half life drug. I know some of you prefer to shoot it twice for steadier effects.

what do you think?

 

[Charvelle]

Once is fine.

 

[bigrand]

Monday and thursday.

 

[buffdawg10]

I would go Monday & Thursday. Everyone has scar tissue, twice a week is better.

 

[jogan]

Hi,

I know you US guys like to think ín "injections per week".

But, in my opinion, thinking in levels its better.

Lately we (in Germany) us use this injection intervalls with great great results:
For Testo-Enanthat for a constant level of 500 mg:

Injectionsdays: 0-3-6-10-13-21-24-32-35....

I know the older post from Andy13, Cyc and I think they a great. But its a mathematical aproach. But the body doesn`t react this way.
This scheme is the result of constant bood measuring.

There is a german proverb for docs: "I can`t calculate, but I can measure".

What do you guys think about this ?

 

[buffdawg10]

I don't know maybe we need to try it in the U.S.? I never heard of this.

 

[Delinquent]

I asked Panerai about this and he said the more frequent injections the better. Enanthate spikes within 24 hours of the injection then rapidly falls which is why every 3rd day or less is better.

 

[Elapid]

From personal exp. I think injeciting more freqently, but once a day is more trouble and scar tissue than it worth...I mean whats the difference in 15 lb gains and 13 lbs if it even that much because you inject more often.

If anybody can argue that the difference is more than that then I'm willing to change my opinion-Panerai, Macro, Stew...

 

[Delinquent]

That's understandable bro. I have netted 30lbs and I'm in my 10th week wo the every 3dr routine is what I eould suggest

 

[jogan]

@ Delinquent
absultly correct. the first spike is within 24 h, but there is a second (lower) spike after ca 60 h. From this point there is a steady decrease.

the curve is something like that (concentration/ 1 injection):

24 h --- 13 ng/ml
34 h --- 9 ng/ml
60 h --- 12 ng/ml
120 h --- 8 ng/ml

thats why injecting once a week, or EOD is not the best scheme.

when your objective is a constant level of test, then the intervalls E3D for a front-load, then 8 days,3 days, 8 days, 3 days....

I personally tried a lot of schemes, an I have to say this one is the best, regarding sides, no post-cycle crash, solid gains.

 

[scout420]

I've been injecting 500mg of Test myself but Im getting pretty good results by injeting 150mg every other day mixed in with my winny.

 

[Charles Ray]

definitely definitely twice a week. u'll get that test rush twice a week instead of one that goes away 2-3 days before your weekly injection.

 

[Delinquent]

Oops I just noticed I typed 30lbs and it was supposed to be 20lbs

 

[solidspine]

jogan

You are probably correct, but I like to simply inject once a week for simplicity. Esp test enathate,

I am injecting winny daily right now, and it is a pain, literally.

 

[projection]

Im injecting Enanthate all @ once 500mg/wk, but also daily injections of fina, and every other day of suspension. So if I can manage one less shot a week Im all for it. I may break up shots of enanthate next cycle to see if results vary. Good luck.

 

[mrt]

Thanks for all the replies

For those who like to inject more frequently (twice or more in a week) why do you exactly prefer this, for better gains, less sides or both?

Do you really think the difference between shoothing (Test Enth) twice or once a week is huge or something that can be accepted, like putting on 25lbs instead of 22lbs??

 

[Delinquent]

Being that this is my first cycle and all the research I did for the past year and a half, all information lead to the conclusion that the goal is to maintain a constant level in your system. Take a look at this link and plug in the amount you're injecting and see how much the levels fluctuate.

http://scorpius.spaceports.com/~dil...100794910654275

 

[jogan]

@ Delinqunet

when the goal is a constant level the mathematical calculation is not necessarily correct (im my opinion). But, of course its a good starting help.

In our experience the injektionintervalls above are leading to a more constant level (blood tests).

Just to think about it. Maybe someone gives it a try.

 

[mrt]

I know the use and dosage of AAS for BB purposes is quite different. But if having constant blood levels is soo critical then why the hell is Test Enth is recommended (by the manufacturer) to be injected once in every 2-3 weeks for medical uses? If injecting more frequently is a good idea then they would have said 50mgs twice a week.

IMHO the reason to make slow and fast acting esters is to determine the injection frequencies and injecting Enth once a week should be OK....well, maybe???

 

[TxLonghorn]

jogan, very interesting take on injection frequency. I'd be interested in hearing more about this if you can give us some more info, that would be great.

 

[jogan]

Hi,

there is nothing wrong with injecting 500 mg Testo-E once a week. We all did this years ago with good results.

But it needs time until your Testo-E level has cummulated to an efficient level (sometimes 4 weeks)
So some stacked shorter esters at the beginning (like Testo-P).

Then we realized, that the shorter esters a not necessary. Its better to do a front-load and save the shorter esters for the end of the cycle. We calculated the level/injection frequency depending on half time with the roid calculators.

Now we realized that the mathematical aproach is a good guidline, but
Its not enough to look at one curve of the blood concentration after one Testo-E injection and add the next injection, then the next (no injecting on the half of the half-time ...).
The body simply reacts differnt, when you inject Testo-E during the break down of the cummlulated exogen Testo-E.

There is only one solution for this problem: measuring.

This blood work was done by an expert, an highly respected Doc on the german boards (Kockie). He invented the scheme from above. Of course we all were sceptic, but a lot of people tried it with great sucess.

The thinking behind the intervalls are:
goal: constant level
so a front-load is very important. Thats a point where I disagree with you U.S. guys.
Why do a front-load only at the first day ? Look at the curve I discribed above. There is a second (lower) spike.
So injecting day 0-3-6 results in a more efficient front-load. Then injecting in 8 - 3 intervalls for a constant level. At the end of the cycle switch to faster acting AS like Testo-P.

 

[TxLonghorn]

jogan, are you saying instead of injecting 500mg/week, inject 250mg on each day you list. Or do you mean to inject 500mg on each day you list. I am a little unclear on that, but it seems to me that you would need to inject 500mg each time.

 

[dodge1]

Twice a week. Monday and Thursday. What's a little scar tissue for the gains your gonna make. It's part of the game.

 

[SUST-MAN]

if i dont inject everyday, i feel like i get smaller....so i inject twice a day...hehe.....makes me feel like i'm getting BIGGER!

 

[jogan]

@ txLonghorn
sorry, I mean 250 on each day I listed.

The result is quasi-linear blood level concentration (for the 500 mg level mrt asked in his post). Then there is absoluty no difference to 500 mg Testo-Prop regarding sides, gains.

 

[pittbull2]

I have tried both twice a week and once and if I eat the same amount of cals and protien and get my sleep I average 22 -23 lbs for the last few cycles on once or twice no differents in weight gain for me.