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T400 Is Crap!!! Don't Buy It!!!

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donkey k0ng

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I DID 1.5CC EVERY 4 DAYS. IT WAS 13 WEEKS AND MY BENCH ONLY WENT FROM 275# TO 335#. I AM 5'7" AND WEIGHED 170 WHEN I STARTED AND 193# WHEN I FINISHED. I GAINED 4 " ON MY GUT. I'VE BEEN OFF FOR 3 WEEKS NOW AND I AM ALREADY DOWN TO 179# AND STILL HAVE MORE WATER THAN I STARTED WITH. BY THE TIME I LOSE THE REST OF THIS WATER I WILL BE RIGHT BACK AT 170#. MY BENCH IS DOWN TO BARELY GETTING 315# NOW. I'VE TALKED TO A FEW OTHER GUYS AT MY GYM AND THEY ARE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEMS. NOT TO MENTION THE TEST FLU AND SORE BUTT CHEEKS. I'M NOT WHINING EITHER. THIS SHIT IS ROUGH ON THE OL BUTT!!!! I HAVEN'T WORKED LEGS IN 2 MONTHS. SO TO ALL YOU FOLKS ASKING IF DENKALL T400 IS A GOOD BUY. THE ANSWER IS HELL NO!!!!
 
sounds like a shitty cycle.... hope you are using clomid end of cycle... maybe you should have mixed in a few other roids, to work synergistically.
 
T400 is not crap......I know of lot of people who would be happy with the gains you had on a single anabolic. I don't know your particulars...like routine / nutrition / rest / hydration / supplements and numerous other intangibles that are pertinent for others on this board to comment intelligently on whether an anabolic is crap or not.....sorry that you didn't get the results you want, but bodybuilding is a somewhat live and learn process....

tbro out:D
 
Adaptek said:
sounds like a shitty cycle.... hope you are using clomid end of cycle... maybe you should have mixed in a few other roids, to work synergistically.
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he stated on another thread that he couldn't get any anti-e's, so I doubt he got clomid for post cycle.
 
This is not a flame, but a word of advise...the t-400 would have been a kick ass cycle if you knew how to cycle properly.....if you used clomid post cycle you would have kept a lot more of your gains....
 
LMFAO!!! not only will you lose everything, but now you have a bloated gut and the best is yet to come. low test levels and a limp dick in about a week. you must work out at my gym. i see guys do the same thing there all the time.
 
If you didn't get anything for post-cycle, I'm surprised you expected anything different. You're natural test is probably very low and you've turned into a girl.
 
My guess is you don't have Clomid for post cycle, Correct ? Also T400 is NOT crap. I know many people who have used it with great results. The only complaint I have heard is the painful injections. Did you ever stop to think that the reason for your lack of gains and gains kept post cycle could be your fault and not the gear ? Try looking at your diet and I think you will find the problem

M18
 
It definately sounds as if you were not prepared, or did no fully research what you were dealing with before you started.

Sounds like you gained allright but 4" on your gut? (cut your sodium down/drink tons of water) again, research and footwork.

No clomid? Not a good idea as well, if you could not find any you should have waited until you did to begin your cycle.

Live and learn my freind...live and learn.

WCP
 
since everyone is flaming you, let me join in

BTW

The
I GAINED 4 " ON MY GUT.
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is not water it is estrogen related fat. I do not know anyone who would use that much test with no anti-estrogens. You must have some serious fatty tissues around your bitch tits.
 
study

Not a flame just honesty.

If you can not afford more than 1 AAS or related item at a time, then you need to save up and wait and get it all at once or wait until you have every thing you need. Any vet will tell you clomid at the end of a cycle to help prevent loss, and novladex on hand just in case it is needed.
 
Sorry bro, i know quite a few people who say its the best test theyve ever used, and denkal has a very good rep as far as i know.
 
donkey k0ng said:
I DID 1.5CC EVERY 4 DAYS. IT WAS 13 WEEKS AND MY BENCH ONLY WENT FROM 275# TO 335#. I AM 5'7" AND WEIGHED 170 WHEN I STARTED AND 193# WHEN I FINISHED. I GAINED 4 " ON MY GUT. I'VE BEEN OFF FOR 3 WEEKS NOW AND I AM ALREADY DOWN TO 179# AND STILL HAVE MORE WATER THAN I STARTED WITH. BY THE TIME I LOSE THE REST OF THIS WATER I WILL BE RIGHT BACK AT 170#. MY BENCH IS DOWN TO BARELY GETTING 315# NOW. I'VE TALKED TO A FEW OTHER GUYS AT MY GYM AND THEY ARE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEMS. NOT TO MENTION THE TEST FLU AND SORE BUTT CHEEKS. I'M NOT WHINING EITHER. THIS SHIT IS ROUGH ON THE OL BUTT!!!! I HAVEN'T WORKED LEGS IN 2 MONTHS. SO TO ALL YOU FOLKS ASKING IF DENKALL T400 IS A GOOD BUY. THE ANSWER IS HELL NO!!!!
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1st of all, your bench went up 60lbs. Am I the only one who thinks this is not that bad? 2nd of all you gained 23lbs. The 4" around your gut is like they said, a lack of an anti estrogen and maybe your diet. I'm on T4, sust, and dbol currently and I'm up at least 15lbs in 18 days and I haven't gained a centimeter on my waist. I'm taking .5ml of liquid arimidex a day. From what I read you didn't even have clomid post cycle. Is this true? Because that's why you crashed. Shit, it happend to me for not taking enough clomid, so I could only imagine not taking any at all.
 
T-400 is the shit, this guy has absolutly no clue, the gains he made were great so none of you guys wondering if you should try it should not listen to him.

ORCA
 
T-400 rocks! Stack that stuff with dbol..and you've got a powerful combination. A sore butt cheek is a small price to pay for such great gains. Again, like most have said, review your diet, clomid use, and workout schedule. Discipline and knowledge will take you a long ways.
 
The problem was not the t400 , it was you.

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I'd have a big problem

If I didn't work legs for two months. Heavy leg work helps your body grow all over. Your results would have been a lot better if you would have toughed it out and worked your legs. I've done suspension overyday for 12 weeks before and even though it hurt to walk most of the time I still did leg work like a madman.

Defying Gravity
 
t-400 plust HGH

I have been on T-400 for just over a week I front loaded it and I got the roid flu. But the T-400 plus HGH at 4iu per day(I have been doing the HGH for about 6 weeks prior) has added seven pounds in a 1 1/2 weeks all muscle, actually probably more than that as I looked in the mirror and I look a little leaner than I did a week ago.

but the shots are painful, and the pain last about 5 days. I may have to ad EQ in the mix. to ease the pain. Also will be starting Fina in about 2 weeks.
 
donkey k0ng said:
I HAVEN'T WORKED LEGS IN 2 MONTHS. THE ANSWER IS HELL NO!!!!
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perhaps if you had worked your largest muscle group you might have gained alot more mass>!
 
why would you use t400 alone? if i dont use a couple test combos and other shit together i just dont think it would be worth it! currently i use sust, cyp, equipoise, dol, and winny. why t400 alone?????????????? oh yea clomid at end to ----i dont know------------keep the gains............duh
 
don't running off your mouth and blame on the t400. you didn't get good result cuz you didn't know shit and jump the gun. either your diet or training is fucked.
 
1 GALLON OF WATER PER DAY. 300 GRAMS OF PROTEIN (at least) PER DAY. TUNA, CHICKEN, SHAKES, AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. MY PARTNER IS A NUTRITION GURU SO ITS NOT THAT. THE ANTI-E's IS PART OF THE PROBLEM. NO SHIT. I KNOW THAT. IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T READ MY OTHER POSTS, I CAN GET T400 FOR $100, REFORVIT-B FOR $80, FINAPLEX FOR $40. ON AND ON AND ON. THE SHITTY THING IS THAT NOBODY AROUND HERE CAN GET ANTI-E's. DON'T ASK ME WHY. NOBODY AROUND HERE WOULD KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEM IF THEY DID HAVE THEM. IT'S STRANGE THAT I CAN GET ANY STEROID AT THE DROP OF A HAT BUT CAN'T GET ANTI-E's. THIS IS MY 3rd CYCLE AND THE MOST DISAPPOINTING ONE YET. I GUESS THE FIRST CYCLE OR TWO IS ALWAYS GREAT THOUGH. OK OK OK MAYBE IT IS ME. I GUESS I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED. I MUST SAY THOUGH. I HAVE NEVER RETAINED SO MUCH FLUID DURING A CYCLE. I'VE LOST ABOUT AN INCH ON MY GUT NOW ALSO. MY NUTS ARE THE SIZE OF ALMONDS BUT I CAN STILL TEAR MY GIRLS ASS UP. LOL. TAKES FOREVER TO GET A NUT THOUGH. SHE DOESN'T MIND THAT PART OF IT. I WANT TO POST SOME PICS BUT I CAN'T. THE BOARD WON'T LET ME POST PICS ANYMORE. I THINK BECAUSE I POSTED A NAKED PIC OF MY GIRLFREIND. OH WELL. I WILL EMAIL TEM TO SOMEONE FOR SOME HELPFUL CRITICISM. THANX. ALSO HOW DO I GET ANTI-E's????????????????????????????
 
Get yourself an hush or elitemail account then shoot me an email.
 
boo-hooo, my asscheeks hurt.........that's when you know the shit's working son!!! But I wouldn't go off calling the stuff crap dude.......you put 60lbs on your bench, that's as good as any cycle gains I've ever heard. Most of the time it's around 20-40lbs. Get on creatine ASAP, get natural test uppers like tribulus etc.....
Yeah they're not as good as clomid, but you gotta go with what you can get. Next time plan your cycle better.......not just what you take but HOW you lift during the cycle. You can still fry your CNS while on gear, you just won't feel it till your off the juice.......which is what it sounds like you're experiencing now. Try periodization programs next time you juice.
 
I'm just finishing a t-400 and primo cycle, got ok to good gains, not great which was my fault, I ate way to much food, so I got huge, now have to cut,

But I do agree those t-400 injections were really sore!
 
25MG OF PROP. NOT ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT PISS YOUR NUTS OFF A LITTLE QUICKER. AND BIG PHYSICS. IF I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO LIFT I WOULDN'T HAVE GAINED 60# ON MY BENCH.
 
Although the post is poorly phrased, it is a fact that the product in question causes an inordinate amount of pain for what it is. I'm not afraid of pain...I expect agregious pain when I use suspension, which I start every cycle with....but not in an oil based test. This becoming more and more common, it's not just T400. I just can't believe that the ba problem is that hard to fix. Plenty of brands out there that are effective....2cc instead of 1, big deal....that don't leave you dreading squat day.
 
I added t400 to my cycle a month ago. After sore butt cheeks for a month I added a cc of ultragan to the mix to see if it would help. I have had no pain whatsoever since I did this, or any swelling either.
 
Re: Re: T400 Is Crap!!! Don't Buy It!!!

BigBluto said:


1st of all, your bench went up 60lbs. Am I the only one who thinks this is not that bad? 2nd of all you gained 23lbs. The 4" around your gut is like they said, a lack of an anti estrogen and maybe your diet. I'm on T4, sust, and dbol currently and I'm up at least 15lbs in 18 days and I haven't gained a centimeter on my waist. I'm taking .5ml of liquid arimidex a day. From what I read you didn't even have clomid post cycle. Is this true? Because that's why you crashed. Shit, it happend to me for not taking enough clomid, so I could only imagine not taking any at all.
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I have to agree here bro. I kind of laughed when I first read the post. I thought Damn he acually made great gains for just using T400 !!!!! Why you didn't keep them I hate to say but may be your fault !!!
Post cycle is just as important as the cycle !!!!
And diet is more important than all of the above !!!



WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE #1
2 IS NOT A WINNER AND
3 NOBODY REMEMBERS !!!!
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
My guess is you don't have Clomid for post cycle, Correct ? Also T400 is NOT crap. I know many people who have used it with great results. The only complaint I have heard is the painful injections. Did you ever stop to think that the reason for your lack of gains and gains kept post cycle could be your fault and not the gear ? Try looking at your diet and I think you will find the problem

M18
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I agree with Mustang.
 
ironmaster said:
Although the post is poorly phrased, it is a fact that the product in question causes an inordinate amount of pain for what it is. I'm not afraid of pain...I expect agregious pain when I use suspension, which I start every cycle with....but not in an oil based test. This becoming more and more common, it's not just T400. I just can't believe that the ba problem is that hard to fix. Plenty of brands out there that are effective....2cc instead of 1, big deal....that don't leave you dreading squat day.
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WHAT IS POORLY PHRASED? YOU CAN KEEP YOUR F'N $2.00 WORDS IN YOUR POCKET.

CAN YOU GUYS BELIEVE THAT I'M STILL LOSING WEIGHT? I WEIGHED 174# TODAY AND COULD BARELY GET 300# FOR 2 REPS. MY NEXT CYCLE WILL DEFINATELY INCLUDE CLOMID. THIS IS ONLY MY THIRD CYCLE. I'M JUST EXPERIMENTING I GUESS. LIVE AND LEARN. MY NEW WORKOUT PARTNER IS A STEROID GURU SO NOW MAYBE I'LL GET IT RIGHT. HE IS 5'11" AND WEIGHS 220. WE WENT TO A BENCH COMPETITION ON SATURDAY AND HE OPENED UP WITH 455# THEN DID 470# ON LIFT 2 AND MAXED OUT AT 500#. THATS WITH NO SHIRT OR WRAPS. AND HIS CYCLE IS JUST KICKING IN. HE STARTED HIS CYCLE 4 WEEKS AGO. HE'S ON TT D-BOL/T400/ULTRAGAIN AND FRONT LOADED SUSPENSION FOR 1 WEEK. 2 YEARS AGO HE BENCHED 585# IN COMPITITION AT 255#. I'LL DO A REAL CYCLE IN JANUARY.
 
WOULD CLOMID ARIMIDEX OR NOLVADEX BE BEST WITH REFORVIT-B. OR WHAT ABOUT FINAPLEX. I HEARD WINNY STOPS PROGESTERONE CAUSED BY FINA
 
I agree that you probably needed clomid.......but clomid isn't the magic bullet to keep gains. The kind of strength losses you are describing are more indicative of poor training and poor diet. I didn't have clomid after my last cycle and I lost NOTHING!!! Sure I wasn't feeling great after I started coming down, but I adjusted my lifting and I started hitting creatine and tribulus. I will say this though, I did lose volume. My peak strength has actually gone up since my last cycle, but my volume is no where near what it was since the cycle ended.
 
donkey k0ng said:
WHAT IS POORLY PHRASED? YOU CAN KEEP YOUR F'N $2.00 WORDS IN YOUR POCKET.
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Hmmmm...nice to see you flaming one of the more experienced and quality brothers in this game. Not to mention the reply was sincere and informative.
 
The_Eviscerator said:
T-400 is crap. The amount of alcohol they have to put into it to get the 400 mgs in a cc will cause cellulitis and muscle damage.
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How come people mix it with EQ and have no problem? Dork.
 
HOLDING AT 175#. AND LIKE I SAID TWICE ALREADY. 300 GRAMS OF PROTIEN A DAY. AND I WEIGH ONLY 175# AND BENCH 300# FOR 2. I SUPPOSE I COULD DO 315# FOR 1. I CAN DO 8-10 PULL UPS WITH A 45# PLATE STRAPPED TO ME. MY WORKOUT PARTNER HAS BEEN LIFTING FOR 9 YEARS AND WHAT I DON'T KNOW, HE DOES. SO I DON'T THINK ITS MY DIET OR TRAINING. I'M STRONGER POUND FOR POUND THAN THE AVERAGE GORRILLA.
 
donkey k0ng said:
HOLDING AT 175#. AND LIKE I SAID TWICE ALREADY. 300 GRAMS OF PROTIEN A DAY. AND I WEIGH ONLY 175# AND BENCH 300# FOR 2. I SUPPOSE I COULD DO 315# FOR 1. I CAN DO 8-10 PULL UPS WITH A 45# PLATE STRAPPED TO ME. MY WORKOUT PARTNER HAS BEEN LIFTING FOR 9 YEARS AND WHAT I DON'T KNOW, HE DOES. SO I DON'T THINK ITS MY DIET OR TRAINING. I'M STRONGER POUND FOR POUND THAN THE AVERAGE GORRILLA.
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Bro don't know if this will help but maybe just a test cycle isn't what your body responds best to ??? Have you tried any other types of cycle ??
I just did a 15 week cycle of Test, dbol, winny, more dbol ( HE!!!HE!!!)), clomid, prov., and Nov.
Weight went from 220 Lbs on a full stomach to 240 lbs all day long !!!!
For me I have to hit the shit heavy and hard with more than one type of AS.
I have a bro that I know that can do a F#@$!@# shot a week and grow like a weed !!!
Anyway if you need some help on a cycle I would be glad to send what my cycle looked like to help out ????





WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE #1
2 IS NOT A WINNER AND
3 NOBODY REMEMBERS !!!!
 
anastrozole(aromasin, etc) while on.
clomid post cycle with the above aromatase inhibitor

note: chasteberry post cycle may have some LH benefit

btw- t-400 may have lots of test but it has WAY TO MUCH BENZYL ALCOHOL
 
FINALLY MY NUTS STARTED BACK UP. TOOK 4 WEEKS. I'VE GAINED BACK UP TO 180# AND I'M GETTING MY STRENGTH BACK. I CAN STILL DO 300# SO I GUESS I HAD SOME OVERALL BENIFIT. I GAINED A SOLID 10# OF WEIGHT AND 25# ON MY BENCH. I HAVE 2 BOTTLES OF REFORVIT NOW AND STILL NO ANTI-E's. LIFE SUX
 
we can barely give the shit away now. i saw a bottle go for $75 a few days ago. it was selling for $200. for the discomfort IT IS NOT WORTH A SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
T-400 IS NOT A HOT ITEM ANY MORE. AT FIRST IT WAS $175. I JUST BOUGHT 4 BOTTLES FOR $85 EACH. I THINK I WILL DO A BOTTLE THOUGH. WITH MY REFORVIT-B. I NEED SOME ANTI-E'S. ANYONE HELP? WHAT DO I NEED? CLOMID?
 
It is hard to read all caps.


However

I did a 14 week t-400 cycle @ 800mg per week and 400 mg per week primo,

Not impressed with the t-400 and the injections hurt like heck,
 
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