Sustanon-250 ED & EoD

[perryscoon]

I was wondering if anyone has tried injecting Sustanon ED or EoD to take full advantage of the 30mg of test-p in it?

Seems like a logical thing to do to me rather than once or twice a week.

 

[jumpmaster82]

I've done EOD and know lots of bros that have. But I've never heard of anyone injecting it ED. But I'm sure ppl do. But I would just do EOD bro, ED seems unneccessary with sust.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Eod

 

[al420]

ED is F A R from unneccessary. Check out BassKillers site and look at the blood level differences between ED and EOD.

Or look at the Organon website and see what they say.

 

[krishna]

How much will you be injecting?

 

[perryscoon]

How much will you be injecting?

I was thinking 250mg EoD, along with some Tren and Var.

 

[PRIMOLOVER]

man that seems like too much shit to me I have been in this game along time 25 years and remember when 1 susty every 6 days with your Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - would be a cycle foe 8 to 10 weeks LOL, man times have changed for sure

 

[krishna]

man that seems like too much shit to me I have been in this game along time 25 years and remember when 1 susty every 6 days with your Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - would be a cycle foe 8 to 10 weeks LOL, man times have changed for sure

No shit! Eod will give you almost a grams of test a week, not to mention you'll be stacking other compounds. What's your history?

 

[perryscoon]

Well its 750mg per week, which isn't terribly excessive. I've done a gram before and didn't notice anything special with that much so I haven't done it since.

I'll prob just end up doing 75-100mg test-p ED instead, but was just toying with the idea of the Sust EoD thing.

This will be my 11th or 12th cycle I guess?

 

[krishna]

Well its 750mg per week, which isn't terribly excessive. I've done a gram before and didn't notice anything special with that much so I haven't done it since.

I'll prob just end up doing 75-100mg test-p ED instead, but was just toying with the idea of the Sustanon EoD thing.

This will be my 11th or 12th cycle I guess?

eod is 875 a week unless you skip a day

 

[al420]

man that seems like too much shit to me I have been in this game along time 25 years and remember when 1 susty every 6 days with your Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - would be a cycle foe 8 to 10 weeks LOL, man times have changed for sure

25 years ago people ate Dbol like candy. They were uneducated.

Why would you use a multi-ester product that had a compound w/ less than a 24hr half-life and shoot it 1x a week. Your blood levels would unstable and you would be wasting gear.

Sorry - but if you have been int he 'game' for 25 years why are you not familiar half-lifes of why Sust isn't a EW aas?

 

[krishna]

25 years ago people ate Dianabol - methandrostenolone - like candy. They were uneducated.

Why would you use a multi-ester product that had a compound w/ less than a 24hr half-life and shoot it 1x a week. Your blood levels would unstable and you would be wasting gear.

Sorry - but if you have been int he 'game' for 25 years why are you not familiar half-lifes of why Sustanon isn't a EW anabolic androgenic steroids?

It was actually designed for hrt purposes by the manufacturer to be shot closer to once a month.

 

[al420]

It was actually designed for hrt purposes by the manufacturer to be shot closer to once a month.

Not based on my research. As far as I know 'hrt' was not anywhere close to being an idea when these compounds were made - not even close - circa 1970'ish.

I'll link you the Pubmed study that was underwritten by the original manufacturer.

 

[mookie]

I have done sus a couple of times twice a week worked great for me.

 

[1tight_tl]

My first cycle ever was sust...one a week for 10 weeks and i put on like 15 lbs...haha...I know better now to do atleast 2x a week...and even better eod to make blodd leves even...pointed out to me by someone on my last cycle...I think it was al420 that gave me a whole dosing schedule in a thread that showed what you blood levels would come out to that way..you should look up the thread

 

[krishna]

Not based on my research. As far as I know 'hrt' was not anywhere close to being an idea when these compounds were made - not even close - circa 1970'ish.

I'll link you the Pubmed study that was underwritten by the original manufacturer.

It makes no sense to say you are wasting the prop by only doing once or twice a week. All it is is the half life. The other esters are in there to compensate for the half life of the prop after it wears off. That's the whole purpose of sust. Read the manufacturer's recommendations.

 

[PRIMOLOVER]

It makes no sense to say you are wasting the testosterone propionate by only doing once or twice a week. All it is is the half life. The other esters are in there to compensate for the half life of the testosterone propionate after it wears off. That's the whole purpose of Sustanon. Read the manufacturer's recommendations.

EXACTLY and yes I have been in the game for 25 years, and funny thing is 1 sustanon every 6 days will and does work, all the guys sitting behind computers and talking half-lifes should try old school and getting their little asses into the gym and working out.

ALL the BS about needing a gram of test per week is bullshit and ONLY THE PRO's used to run that much gear, it is called receptor saturation and you can only use sooooo much esp. when you train like GENERATION LAZY ASS....LOL

KRISHNA is correct as to the reason Sustanon was developed, check out Organons website if you must, and YES the shots were close to 1 month in between, yes there was HRT back then, just not as common as now.

So PLEASE do not give out SHITTY advice as some here seem to do.

 

[perryscoon]

It makes no sense to say you are wasting the testosterone propionate by only doing once or twice a week. All it is is the half life. The other esters are in there to compensate for the half life of the testosterone propionate after it wears off. That's the whole purpose of Sustanon. Read the manufacturer's recommendations.

Sure that makes sense, but wouldn't you rather take full advantage of the test-p by having it never "wear off"? Hence, shoot EoD. Its not like we are using like the manufacturer intended anyways.

 

[PRIMOLOVER]

Well, that is why people ask for opinions and advice so they can add it all up and see what is best for them.
We all are just trying to build muscle and have elevated test levels and there ar many ways to do that, both ways will work but not as safe and sane as others.
To each their own I guess.
Cheers

 

[DaveTSI]

I always use sust atleast EOD, or do 1/2 a mL ED. The difference in sides is noticably better for me even switching from EOD to ED injects (because of more stable blood levels). You should give it try its the only way to go. On AX sust325 EOD right now and i have mild acne and probs sleeping, if i switch to ED those would both go away very quickly, just dont feel like poking ED right now lol.

 

[krishna]

Sure that makes sense, but wouldn't you rather take full advantage of the test-p by having it never "wear off"? Hence, shoot EoD. Its not like we are using like the manufacturer intended anyways.

The only advantage you're getting by doing ed or eod is that you're doing way more test. You're still getting full advantage of the prop if you only do it once or twice a week. If you agree that what I said before makes sense, like you said you did, then you should realize this already.

 

[eddymerckx]

e/o/d

plug the numbers in for yourself--kinda fun (just double the half lives provided)

http://www.powerboard.se/roidcalc/

 

[perryscoon]

The only advantage you're getting by doing ed or eod is that you're doing way more test. You're still getting full advantage of the testosterone propionate if you only do it once or twice a week. If you agree that what I said before makes sense, like you said you did, then you should realize this already.

What "makes sense" is that the other test esters "make up for" the test-p wearing off.

But, what makes even more sense is to not let the test-p wear off at all, and inject EoD keeping blood levels more stable. At least it seems so to me.

Think of it this way. Pretend that all the diff esters in sust were in separate vials instead of all mixed together. Now you wouldn't inject the test-p once a week now would you?

 

[perryscoon]

e/o/d

plug the numbers in for yourself--kinda fun (just double the half lives provided)

http://www.powerboard.se/roidcalc/

Thats pretty cool.

 

[krishna]

What "makes sense" is that the other test esters "make up for" the test-p wearing off.

But, what makes even more sense is to not let the test-p wear off at all, and inject EoD keeping blood levels more stable. At least it seems so to me.

Think of it this way. Pretend that all the diff esters in Sustanon were in separate vials instead of all mixed together. Now you wouldn't inject the test-p once a week now would you?

I see your point, but you're not wasting the prop, you're just not keeping your levels as even I suppose.

 

[al420]

EXACTLY and yes I have been in the game for 25 years, 1. and funny thing is 1 sustanon every 6 days will and does work, all 2. the guys sitting behind computers and talking half-lifes should try old school and getting their little asses into the gym and working out.

3. ALL the BS about needing a gram of test per week is bullshit and ONLY THE PRO's used to run that much gear, it is called receptor saturation and you can only use sooooo much esp. when you train like GENERATION LAZY ASS....LOL

KRISHNA is correct as to the reason Sustanon was developed, check out Organons website if you must, and YES the shots were close to 1 month in between, 4. yes there was HRT back then, just not as common as now.

So PLEASE do not give out SHITTY advice as some here seem to do.

1. Never said it didn't work. Just said it was wasting gear, which it is.

2. I compete on a Natl. level. You? (not masters either... lol). Also, did you write your post with a typewriter?

3. I agree 100%. Doses ahould be based on each persons blood levels. If I take a gram my Test levels are over 3k. On an hrt dose of 200mg/wk my levels are closer to 1500. Everybody is different. This is why I don't tell anyone what a good dose is till I have seen thier blood work and lipid profiles. (i know, what a interweb geek)

4. Yeah, there were clinics everywhere. I am going to link you to Org's original study - it is in my fav's on my work PC. They were making a drug for SICK people, not people w/ low test levels.

OK - now back to blood levels.

As you can see by the numbers, the quickest way to get the Sustanon levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ed.
By the middle of week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.


On a 3cc case, each hash mark equals 25mgs of Sustanon
So to shoot
200mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 3/4 of a ml
150mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 1/2 of a ml
100mgs would be 4 hash marks or a little under 1/2 of a ml


Also to do this you will need a sterile 40 or 50 ml empty vial to switch all the Sustanon amps into.


days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
2 ..............200 .......................351
3 ..............200 .......................487
4 ..............150 .......................555
5 ..............150 .......................612
6 ..............100 .......................613
7 ..............100 .......................614
Week 2
8 ..............100 .......................615
9 ..............100 .......................616
10.............100 .......................616
11.............100 .......................617
12.............100 .......................617
13.............100 .......................617
14.............100 .......................618
Week 3
15............100 .......................618
16............100 .......................618
17............100 .......................618
18............100 .......................618
19............100 .......................618
20............100 .......................619
21............100 .......................619
Week 4
22............100 .......................619
23............100 .......................619
24............100 .......................619
25............100 .......................619
26............100 .......................619
27............100 .......................619
28............100 .......................619
Week 5
29...,........100 .......................619
30............100 .......................619
31............100 .......................619
32............100 .......................619
33............100 .......................619
34............100 .......................619
35............100 .......................619
Week 6
36............100 .......................619
37............100 .......................619
38............100 .......................619
39............100 .......................619
40............100 .......................619
41............100 .......................619
42............100 .......................619
Week 7
43............100 .......................619
44............100 .......................619
45............100 .......................619
46............100 .......................619
47............100 .......................619
48............100 .......................619
49............100 .......................619
Week 8
50............100 .......................619
51............100 .......................619
52............100 .......................619
53............100 .......................619
54............100 .......................619
55............100 .......................619
56............100 .......................619


Also you can see by the numbers...
Your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week,
That your only really doing 619mgs.

 

[krishna]

So because your levels aren't as stable, you're saying this equates to "wasting gear"? You're using the prop... all of it. I don't think wasting is the word you're looking for.

 

[xrsist]

sustanon is used here for hrt, one 250mg shot every 2-3 weeks

 

[eddymerckx]

EXACTLY and yes I have been in the game for 25 years, and funny thing is 1 sustanon every 6 days will and does work, all the guys sitting behind computers and talking half-lifes should try old school and getting their little asses into the gym and working out.

:

i assume you are kidding...or were you absent when they tought chemistry 101.

if you are not kidding, and considering you flamed those of us who understand half-llives, please do explain your reasoning behind "every six days" without reference to dose or half-life as the two are inextricably linked

 

[mookie]

The only advantage you're getting by doing ed or eod is that you're doing way more test. You're still getting full advantage of the testosterone propionate if you only do it once or twice a week. If you agree that what I said before makes sense, like you said you did, then you should realize this already.

Agreed. Twice a week is perfect. Every year I have been on this board this had been debated at least 100 times.

 

[eddymerckx]

Agreed. Twice a week is perfect. Every year I have been on this board this had been debated at least 100 times.

2x is not enough--better to use less and do e/o/d--if you run the numbers 2x a week still causes erratic blood levels. go to the link i posted above and run the doses -it is actuualy kinda fun in a gear-nerd sort of way

 

[al420]

So because your levels aren't as stable, you're saying this equates to "wasting gear"? You're using the testosterone propionate... all of it. I don't think wasting is the word you're looking for.

Maybe so, but your not using it to it's full potential. Stable blood levels are key.

 

[Advisor_x]

I used on past cycles 2 times per week..........and worked fine..........

 

[OMEGA]

e o d

 

[OMEGA]

Eod

 

[mookie]

I used on past cycles 2 times per week..........and worked fine..........

Always worked great for me to alot of my friends do twice a week with great results.

 

[PRIMOLOVER]

i assume you are kidding...or were you absent when they tought chemistry 101.

if you are not kidding, and considering you flamed those of us who understand half-llives, please do explain your reasoning behind "every six days" without reference to dose or half-life as the two are inextricably linked

My point just being that alot of guys on here play I am MR. CHEMIST and that they know what is best, when most do not probably train effectively if at all
I do know what works with Sustanon, and I will concede to 2xpw giving a much better stable blood level, my statement is only that 1 every 6 days will and does work for gaining size and strength, more may be better, but HOW MUCH more?

If a little will work well, then why take so much more ?

No AL420, this was not typed on a typewriter, and if you compete on a NATIONAL level, I would be surprised, alot of guys claim shit like that on the boards.
Lets see where you are in 15 years as far as your physique goes......my guess is just another potato chip eating fat ass, that talks about his "glory days"
and how great he USED to be.
Go ahead and shoot your Susty every day AL and you will be the KING of KINGs I am sure!.....LOL

 

[tropo]

1. Never said it didn't work. Just said it was wasting gear, which it is.

2. I compete on a Natl. level. You? (not masters either... lol). Also, did you write your post with a typewriter?

Do you compete on a National level in Thailand?

 

[ALIN]

I was wondering if anyone has tried injecting Sustanon ED or EoD to take full advantage of the 30mg of test-p in it?

Seems like a logical thing to do to me rather than once or twice a week.

SUST EOD should be more than plenty.

 

[perryscoon]

Sustanon EOD should be more than plenty.

Yes, I agree. I think EoD is best to keep blood levels stable on Sust/Omnadrin. And yes, I have always shot it once a week in the past with results, but that was before people understood half-lives like they do now and I think I could have had less sides and even greater results shooting EoD.

 

[al420]

My point just being that alot of guys on here play I am MR. CHEMIST and that they know what is best, when most do not probably train effectively if at all
I do know what works with Sustanon, and I will concede to 2xpw giving a much better stable blood level, my statement is only that 1 every 6 days will and does work for gaining size and strength, more may be better, but HOW MUCH more?

If a little will work well, then why take so much more ?

No AL420, this was not typed on a typewriter, and if you compete on a NATIONAL level, I would be surprised, alot of guys claim shit like that on the boards.
Lets see where you are in 15 years as far as your physique goes......my guess is just another potato chip eating fat ass, that talks about his "glory days"
and how great he USED to be.
Go ahead and shoot your Susty every day AL and you will be the KING of KINGs I am sure!.....LOL

That question is not not answerable. All we can do is strive for stable blood levels. Or ignore then; whicever you choose.

I train on a Periodization Model. It is basically 3-4 weeks of ramp, 2 weeks of PR's, and 3-4 weeks of deloads. Rinse, repeat.

And BTW - Primo is for girls.

Also - so you can concede I am what I am (several Mods of Vets here know who i am), but still belittle me b/c I may or may not maintain my low BF when I am older? Accomplish something in a strength sport please. Pretty please.


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In Thailand? I forgot my flag choice... I do love me some Muay Thai. I am an American... a Texan to be exact.

 

[beenieman]

I was wondering if anyone has tried injecting Sustanon ED or EoD to take full advantage of the 30mg of test-p in it?

Seems like a logical thing to do to me rather than once or twice a week.

Shoot EoD or E3D at the least.

 

[xrsist]

shoot whatever works for YOU