Squat posts... how far do you REALLY go down????

[louden_swain]

he was only losing form due to a weak core and maybe hamstrings.

If you are strong enough in all muscles involved you will have a nice form....at 10% and at 100% all across the board.

how ever weak core will make you flop over and you will have to rescue it.....dont put your self in that situation.

a few good mornings will fix a problem like that.

good mornings are used for a good reason (by top powerlifters)
you are basically training for chaos....any flop forward will be recoverd or STOPED exactly like a good morning.

Needsize i am not saying you have a weak core..,.,just in relation to the prime movers in the squat

WTF are you talking about? Possible weak core and suggesting what Needsize should do?! You must be kidding!!! This guy is squatting 205 percent of his bodyweight for reps!! Bottom line is, I don't agree with anything you said.

 

[endpoint]

WTF are you talking about? Possible weak core and suggesting what Needsize should do?! You must be kidding!!! This guy is squatting 205 percent of his bodyweight for reps!! Bottom line is, I don't agree with anything you said.

This is an open disscusion.....i assumed i would be allowed to have an input.

you are a body builder and will always have a different opinion from me.

PS 2 times body weight for reps is nothing special.

 

[jesus 2]

WTF are you talking about? Possible weak core and suggesting what Needsize should do?! You must be kidding!!! This guy is squatting 205 percent of his bodyweight for reps!! Bottom line is, I don't agree with anything you said.

i thought his response was reasonable. you didn't offer any reason as to why you don't agree. just because needsize is a huge and strong dude doesn't mean he will have perfect muscle balance. maybe if needsize reviewed his training, he might find that certain muscle groups are unbalanced and fixing such will results 10% as far as long term goals are concerned.

 

[needsize]

There is nothing wrong with the debate, but I definitely disagree that my back is weak area, it's actually disproportionally strong compared to the rest of me. Also, this is all based on one video, with a weight I'd never hit for reps before. The guy who taught me to squat has an 850+ competition squat, so I'm pretty confident in my form. And the bottom line is that for me its just about big legs, which these squats have definitely built for me

 

[louden_swain]

Needsize,

I think you and I have similar physical builds.

Do you have long legs, a short upper body, and long arms?

I tend to lean far forward when I squat especially when going deep. The only way I can keep my back straight is if I go slightly above parallel.

 

[needsize]

Actually I have short legs(30" inseam) with a long upper body and long arms.
Considering i dont use a belt, and I squat rock bottom, there is no way to avoid some lean, you physically cant squat that low without it. But I've tried it both ways over the years and my legs grow much more this way, so I'm fine with a little lean

Endpoint, i agree that a 2x bodyweight squat for reps is nothing special, but remember I dont train for strength at all, but have still done a 3x bodyweight dead, with no belts or straps. That in itself tells me my lower back isnt a weak link

 

[naturally anabolic]

well since i dont exactly have a way to measure this i will guesstimate it at about 1- 1 1/2inches below parallel.

 

[endpoint]

There is nothing wrong with the debate, but I definitely disagree that my back is weak area, it's actually disproportionally strong compared to the rest of me. Also, this is all based on one video, with a weight I'd never hit for reps before. The guy who taught me to squat has an 850+ competition squat, so I'm pretty confident in my form. And the bottom line is that for me its just about big legs, which these squats have definitely built for me

You core may not be weak....but you may not be using the muscles to full effect (due to timing etc).....which could be caused by an un farmiliar environments (ie a heavier weights that you may not be Quite ready for) so there for they are not performing at thier peak and they are "weak"
also the use of you core is different in deadlifts and squats....due to the centre of gravity.

The reason i asked if you have tried again since, was that your next few efforts could be better....and if your core muscles are as strong as you say (judging by your DL...yes they are) your form will pick up...as long as you know that the form in the video was not crash hot. and you make an effort to strengthen the core muscles whilst performing the lift.

I am aware that you are not training for strength (Even though you advocate 5x5 set rep schemes) But if your quads are 30" i am hoping they can shift weight.

once your back is refreshed video tape it again...im sure it will look a lot better

 

[needsize]

I'll throw up another video soon
I've dropped the weight and started doing really low reps, but I'm getting shooting pains in my lower back when I lock out on the squat; a recurring injury from when I was a teenager.
For what its worth, I did get a 550lb squat in competition when I was only 180lbs years ago, but the heavy stuff scares me more than anything else now