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Spoke with IFBB pro on Saturday......

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biganth01

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Just for any of the guys interested,spoke with an IFBB pro over the weekend,was very honest and down to earth,just thought id share some of the things he said,i wont name him for obvious reasons as he is under contract with a major supplement company.Gave me an example of an offseason cycle which was as follows

He takes the following daily 5 days a week

500mg Sust
400mg Cyp
100mg Suspension
75mg Tren
50mg Dbol
100mg Anadrol

Said whatever bodypart he was training that day,that is what he injected ( even back ! ) Spoke briefly about precontest gear usage,saying he cut out all oil based products out the last week and just used winny amps under the tounge ( said he got this tip from J*y C***er ) for the last 2 weeks.

Eating:

Offseason,whatever is in front of him as long as he gets at least 4 protein shakes in per day and at least meets 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight ( he was weighing 305lbs ) Also spoke about precontest dieting,too much too remember to be honest but picked up some good tips on sodium depletion and carb loading ect.Just thought id share this with you guys.
 
That's about what i thought a pro cycle would look like. Huge doses... thanks for posting this stuff bro- very interesting.
 
That is a ton of test though his tren d-bol and a-bombs dosages seem kinda moderate compared to his test dosage. Actually that tren dose is doubled by many on here. hmmm
 
That's a lot, but I am not a bit surprised ... specially if he really weighs 350 off season.

-sk
 
His weight was 305 not 350,just thought id clear that up:) Said offseason he liked a lot of test.Also spoke of 1 pro who was taking 500mg of Anadrol per day:worried: Shit! his liver must be screaming.Said some very motivating stuff,got me fired up to get my ass back into gear
 
[Gave me an example of an offseason cycle which was as follows

He takes the following daily 5 days a week

500mg Sust
400mg Cyp
100mg Suspension
75mg Tren
50mg Dbol
100mg Anadrol

If this is an offseason cycle, I can't imagine what a contest cycle would look like. Whewwwww-weeee!

I wonder what Quadsweep would think of these doses....
 
I didnt get motivation from the amount of drugs he said he was using,he gave some real good on training/diet also.Yes,he uses a lot of drugs,but he also trains hard and eats hard,drugs are just part of the chain.
 
By no means am I a juice expert, but HOLY SHIT! That's crazy, I guess people at that level that have taken it that far will do anything to win. How the hell does he pay for that, even if he is under contract, and winning shows. Seems like you would be lucky to break even.:(
 
Jus a little food for thought.....pros...at least decently ranked ones with good sponsors....or pros that endorse solid companies....don't pay for there own shit.....I am not a pro...nor could I ever be (torn quad and acl 3 times) but when I was competing on an amateur level....I had shit bought for me, my training partner has some of his bills paid for by some unsung hero at Gold's Corporate.....and the list goes on.....but I digress
 
Dont wanna be the pain in the ass on this thread but i gotta ask...

Y cut out oil based juice a week out and only use oral liquid winny sublingual?

Being a compedator myself, id also love to hear whatever you remember about the sodium depletion and cab loading.
 
I will post some stuff later tonight about the sodium water stuff,havent got much time at the moment.The reason he cuts out the oil based jabs ect is because of the risk of abcess,if he got an abcess the last few weeks after 14 weeks of dieting,that would be devastating ( An abcess any time would be devastating to me!! ) He has had abcess removed before.I will say that he is not a high level pro,the last show he did was the NOC and he placed in the top 15,thats as much as i can say.
 
50mg d-bol + 100mg a-bombs a day + 1gr test?? well, all i can say is, to be a pro doesn't mean to be a gear-expert.....does
he ev. compensate something (training, diet) with such amount of gear?
 
Dialtone,i was shocked also,but he said he was going to be honest,and he was.Regarding the sodium depletion,he said he cuts sodium 3 days out ( up until then he is just drinking regular tap water and not really watching his sodium ) Stated that he uses Evain water,not distilled water,as he feels that he needs a trace amout of sodium ( which is in the Evian water ) Cooks everything in evian water,rinses everything in evian water,cleans his teeth with lemon juice to aviod the sodium in the toothpaste.Cuts his water 18 hours before stepping on stage,only starting to drink again when he starts pumping up.Said for him,a 2 day carb up is all that he needs ( after depleting on 50g of carbs for 3 days ) there was much more stuff,cant remember off the top of my head,will post more if i do.
 
Just out of curiousity, How long would it take to get your nuts working properly after taking 6g of test a week for a cycle????
 
easy said:
Just out of curiousity, How long would it take to get your nuts working properly after taking 6g of test a week for a cycle????
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I would guess that most of these guys end up on HRT. I wonder what all of your bloodwork looks like after being on these dosages for a prolonged period of time. If a gram total wacks out the lipids & other values, what does 6 grams do?
 
where the hell do you shoot all that stuff.. i mean how do you rotate injection sites with that amount of volume?
 
Judo Tom said:
where the hell do you shoot all that stuff.. i mean how do you rotate injection sites with that amount of volume?
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Everywhere. Did you catch in the original post, what ever part he is training that day is where he shoots. Pretty wild.
 
Really surprises me that you lot have a hard time believing the doses the pros use. The thing about gear is you use what works for you, what you can tolerate both financially and physically. Anyone whos over 300lbs needs alot more gear than someone whos on their first cycle and weighin 180. The bigger you get the more you tend to need, and the more you can tolerate. Keep taking the same, you'll plateau. Simple.

I do not believe a newbie should even think bout using a gram a day, or a week, cos the pros didnt start out on those doses.
Be warned
Bro
 
brotheriron said:
Really surprises me that you lot have a hard time believing the doses the pros use. The thing about gear is you use what works for you, what you can tolerate both financially and physically. Anyone whos over 300lbs needs alot more gear than someone whos on their first cycle and weighin 180. The bigger you get the more you tend to need, and the more you can tolerate. Keep taking the same, you'll plateau. Simple.

I do not believe a newbie should even think bout using a gram a day, or a week, cos the pros didnt start out on those doses.
Be warned
Bro
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Yeah, I'm not suprised at all. As I said earlier in the post, god simply didn't intend on humans walking around at 300lbs and 4% bodyfat.
 
Sorry but I have a hard time believing it. I know guys that take less than 700mgs of test/week and they're huge. One guy used to compete and he about scolded me for taking 750/week of test. Just my opinion though. Let the flames begin.:theranger
 
No wonder Shawn Ray has made almost ZERO progress in the last 8 - 10 years (I am NOT knocking him fopr that either!)! He wont ante up and fuck himself up to the point where most other pros have/WILL fuck themselves up! Shawn knows the difference between dangerous and UTTER STUPIDITY!!! Shawn Ray has half a brain!
 
Dial_tone said:


I posted some numbers from Tom Prince last week and nobody believed those either. They were a fraction of the amounts shown here.
I'm of the opinion that people refuse to believe anyone can become pro on less than 3gms/week.
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I don't know if someone can go pro on dosages of 3g and less or not. But, regarding the info Biganth received, I think he brought us back accurate info. I can't imagine any reason for the pro he spoke with in private to lie. Now, Tom Prince's comments on Chad's board, plenty of reasons to understate dosages used (I'm not saying he was definitely lying, I of course don't know). So, the conclusion on the subject for me is: I don't know if all pros are using these dosages, but some certainly are.
 
I dont think these dosages are off the wall. I am sure many of these guys have to up their dosages by about a gram at some point just to put on an extra 10lbs. of muscle. It gets hard to put on size when you get to a certain point, the dosages are that high, but not because you cant get huge on lower ones, because they have to take tons to squeeze out the extra pounds when they get to a certain point.-WULF
 
I used to 2500mgs/week of sust when dieting till the last 2 weeks...along with many other things and yes it is crazy. There are many people using these amounts...
 
I used to grow like fuck on 250mg a week. I dont grow taking that a day now. But i am 100lbs heavier now. Your body will build a tolerance to gear, like most drugs and you get to a point where under a certain amount just aint worth it.
Bro
 
Fukkenshredded said:
Keep in mind that there is a limit to the number of receptors. Any amount that goes beyond that capability to utilize is simply wasted.
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Wait a minute. I thought we had general consensus on here that the receptor argument is bullshit. Your body maintains & can build the mass it is able to based on the stimulus presented. So, a guy that does 3grams in his first cycle after one year of lifting definitely wasted a lot of gear. But a vet who has trained for 10years and slowly increased dosage cycle after cycle to create further stimulus for further growth and is now at 2grams a week is fully utilizing that gear to support all the additional mass he is carrying. :confused:
 
I have many years in this game and I have took everything and I can tell you that you could take 1,000 mg of test a week or 3,000 mg and the only difference is with 3,000 mg you will wast a lot of money and will stress your liver and kidneys........insuline and hgh makes the difference........

The average dose among pros is 1,000 mg of test a week (it what they can to find) stacked with 400 or 600mg of another product more anabolic than androgenic .........a lot of insuline and hgh....arimidex, clomid, hcg, all these in off seasons...

I think that he wanted kill you
 
ARISTIMUQOH said:
I have many years in this game and I have took everything and I can tell you that you could take 1,000 mg of test a week or 3,000 mg and the only difference is with 3,000 mg you will wast a lot of money and will stress your liver and kidneys........insuline and hgh makes the difference........

The average dose among pros is 1,000 mg of test a week (it what they can to find) stacked with 400 or 600mg of another product more anabolic than androgenic .........a lot of insuline and hgh....arimidex, clomid, hcg, all these in off seasons...

I think that he wanted kill you
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Bro, if this is true, a lot of bros on here will be interested in knowing alot more about it. How do you know the average dose among pros? How do you know its the insulin and GH getting them there?
 
i totally believes he uses 6 grams---5-10 years ago these BB were saying they were all natural and lying their asses off and now everyone has realized they juice so i think they still lie there ass off when they say they use 500mg of test per week and 50mg d-bol..---you mean to tell me these guys use the same amount of gear at 5'9" 310 lbs with 4% bf as a 220 lb guy---no i dont think so
 
Yates said the single biggest reason for the current freakish size of the pros nowadays compared to back in the day is insulin.
 
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I wonder what Quadsweep would think of these doses.... [/B][/QUOTE]

I respect Quadsweep, but he is not pro!
 
hard to believe but probably true...the short lifespan plan. worth it for big arms?

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You guys are getting too scientific. Most pros arent the smartest guys in the world. I am sure many believe more is better whether it is or not. This guy didnt give the optimum dosage to get to pro size, he just stated what he took. Maybe he takes too much, maybe much is wasted, but id bet the farm that many of these guys take this much.-WULF
 
lonewulf said:
You guys are getting too scientific. Most pros arent the smartest guys in the world. I am sure many believe more is better whether it is or not. This guy didnt give the optimum dosage to get to pro size, he just stated what he took. Maybe he takes too much, maybe much is wasted, but id bet the farm that many of these guys take this much.-WULF
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Yea seriously, if you guys think the pros know anything like huck, zyg, macro then you are sadly mystakin. I am sure there may be one or two here and there, but look at coleman ... he isn't another macro lol.

-sk
 
Dial_tone said:
there are undoubtedly pros who do know their stuff.
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Where do they learn these things?
Do they follow up on studies? I hardly doubt it.
Do they come to this board? Possibly, but their knowledge still won't surpass any of the other bro's here who are willing to study.

-sk
 
I would like to know how long this "cycle" is. And also what he switches up to after this?

As for these dosages I totally agree with the amount the pro's take. If you think they don't take this amount of juice your in denial, and need to wake up. If you grow on 500mg a week of test and 30mg of dbol a day then great, good for you but again dont think that most if not all pro's take these dosages...
 
i believe those dosages. there are plenty of ppl on this board that take over a gram of test a week stacked with 600-800 deca or eq, 150mg fina ed, 100mg dbols or a-bombs and there are even some that take over 2 grams a week. Now with that being said, your telling me that ppl who compete at the olympia's take a gram or less??? i doubt it
 
Nicholls and Glass know their shit in the gym....especially Glass....but are they Biochemists....I don't think so.....
 
Dial_tone said:


Pro's in the 80's used 1.5 grams/week or so.
If you need 1 gram/week or more to reach 220 then you are one sorry excuse for a BB'er. I'm 245 and I take half of that.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=226033
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man i dont use over a gram of test per week--im using 600mg and im 248lbs--but i believe thats just stupidity to say every BB doesnt use huge amounts and they grow just fine off 500mg of test.
 
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daveyboy said:
[Gave me an example of an offseason cycle which was as follows

He takes the following daily 5 days a week

500mg Sust
400mg Cyp
100mg Suspension
75mg Tren
50mg Dbol
100mg Anadrol

If this is an offseason cycle, I can't imagine what a contest cycle would look like. Whewwwww-weeee!

I wonder what Quadsweep would think of these doses....
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I would say WOW! I bet he is a sore MFer! I always wonder when I am really slamming a lot of gear and every spot is sore I wonder where do they put it? I do not doubt the doses a bit. I was using almost 2 grams a week and guys at the USA were doing half again to twice that in my class. I think he is following suit with what others are using. You have to keep up so you do what you gotta do.

Quad
 
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Zoomster said:
I wonder what Quadsweep would think of these doses....
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I respect Quadsweep, but he is not pro! [/B][/QUOTE]

Thats true! But I know a couple pros and I have a pretty damn good idea whats up too!

Quad
 
Guys, that cycle is bull. I have talked to 2-3 pros in England and none of them use even a fraction of whats listed. Infact many of them use no more than 1000mg of test with HGH, and that is it.

Its all about diet & training. Do u think that the strongmen from before the 1950s when there was no gear had more than 6g of test in their system to make them so strong and weight 300 - 400 lbs. Yes, they were a little fat, but were definately stronger than most pros today.

Besides, injecting upto 50ml of oil into u will def fu(k up your heart.
 
British Bulldog said:
Guys, that cycle is bull. I have talked to 2-3 pros in England and none of them use even a fraction of whats listed. Infact many of them use no more than 1000mg of test with HGH, and that is it.

Its all about diet & training. Do u think that the strongmen from before the 1950s when there was no gear had more than 6g of test in their system to make them so strong and weight 300 - 400 lbs. Yes, they were a little fat, but were definately stronger than most pros today.

Besides, injecting upto 50ml of oil into u will def fu(k up your heart.
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You have spoken with 2-3 pros and you believe what they told you?? Well I will tell you this much they are doing ALOT more than 1gram a week. If you think any pro is only on a gram a week you are only fooling yourself.

So what if injecting 50ml of oil into you will screw you up. This is professional bodybuilding not exactly a sport to take up if you want to live to be an old man.
 
Thats the problem with pros, if you dont know em add a zero to the end of the dose. I personally know a number of pro and top amateurs in the uk and no one uses less than what was listed before.
Bro
 
Sorry to go off topic here, but at least it'll keep this thread at the top...

Dial tone - At 245 lbs. what % bodyfat are you and how tall are you?

Also what exactly do you know about 'dial tone'? On hook, off hook, ground start, loop start, etc...??? :)
 
SupraHero said:


You have spoken with 2-3 pros and you believe what they told you?? ....
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So you read a post from a guy that says he has spoken with 1 pro and you believe what he tells you?:rolleyes:
 
Heres a quote from a thread on Musclemayhem I noticed today:

"when jay cutler was here in australia having dinner with his sponsors who brought him and dexter out, everyones jaws literally dropped when he started telling them the stuff (amount and techniques) he was using- now some of these folks at dinner were former veteran BB's not shy to the game and they were SHOCKED"
 
Milos Sarcev is a smart guy, but he is not one of the contending pros. I think he is happy being huge instead of FREAKY HUGE. Yes, he is one of the smart ones, but dont think everybody is everything, their are very large differences in drug use and food consumption, and training volume. But i believe MANY pros are taking this amount of juice. Some probably take less, but many do use this much, just like some eat more. Dave Palumbo eats mcdonalds all the time and stays ripped, some guys have to live on salads and tuna to be ripped. Its all relative, but i am SURE many pros use this much. As for a pro from 1987 to 1995 and 100% natural, i highly doubt this is true. This was the day of labrada and haney, and no drug free bodybuilder could even be on the same stage as those guys. Even the drug free guys like McQuay and Raymond are on stuff, no doubt. I have a fast metabolism and was able to build 19" arms at 10% bodyfat naturally, but McQuay and Raymond would beat me on stage, a natural guy depleting himself to that insane low bodyfat would lose too much fullness and be to depleted without some help. Trust me.-WULF
 
biganth01 said:
Just for any of the guys interested,spoke with an IFBB pro over the weekend,was very honest and down to earth,just thought id share some of the things he said,i wont name him for obvious reasons as he is under contract with a major supplement company.Gave me an example of an offseason cycle which was as follows

He takes the following daily 5 days a week

500mg Sust
400mg Cyp
100mg Suspension
75mg Tren
50mg Dbol
100mg Anadrol

Said whatever bodypart he was training that day,that is what he injected ( even back ! ) Spoke briefly about precontest gear usage,saying he cut out all oil based products out the last week and just used winny amps under the tounge ( said he got this tip from J*y C***er ) for the last 2 weeks.

Eating:

Offseason,whatever is in front of him as long as he gets at least 4 protein shakes in per day and at least meets 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight ( he was weighing 305lbs ) Also spoke about precontest dieting,too much too remember to be honest but picked up some good tips on sodium depletion and carb loading ect.Just thought id share this with you guys.
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THAT CYCLE SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT,I TOO KNOW A PRO ALMOST SIMILIAR TO HIS CYCLE,THANX FOR SHARING THAT BRO!:fro:
 
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Like i said there is a wide range of people, with hugely different genetics. I will do a search on him. If that is the case, it is truly amazing. I will not doubt you dial-tone, i have seen personally how far diet and exercise alone can go, especially on a 5'8" frame like mine. Its getting down to onion skin that is so tough. I'll check it out bro.-WULF
 
I can't say anything for this pro because I don't know who he is, unless he was named in a page after the first one... I didn't read them all. But anyone using this amount of gear is just a lazy bastard.

I personally know three pro's, one who is practically a guranteed shoo-in in the top 4 of any show he enters.. and even he doesn't use this much. Not even close to it.

Without naming names, I will give you the EXACT cycle used by another pro:

7AM 100mg Test Susp
100mg Zambons
20mg Halotestin


1PM 20mg Halotestin
40mg methyltest (cut out 12 days before show)


7PM 100mg Test Susp
100mg Zambons
20mg Halotestin

This is run (except the methyltest) for 12-14 weeks.


This is a precontest cycle. Off season it is oil based test (cyp) and deca, 300mg and 200mg respectively on an EOD pattern.


Now that is the TRUTH!!!!
 
Dial_tone said:


There are plenty of pros on the Muscle Mayhem board. Some are clearly identified and others don't want to be known.
Some of them hire a guru to think for them like Chad Nicholls, Charles Glass or Chris Aceto. Some of that knowledge has to sink in sooner or later. Incidentally Milos Sarcev is well known to be quite the juice guru, so much so that other pros routinely consult with him. Dave Palumbo, who isn't even pro yet, is a 3rd year med student. If you think anyone is getting a med school edumacation on this board you're on crack. Tom Platz has a degree in Kinesiology.
Pros do this for a living and it's in their best interest to learn everything they can.
There's good info on the boards for sure, but it's largely counterbalanced with disinformation as well. The Hucks and Fonz's are far and away outweighed by the countless clueless f*cks (which may include me) who simply regurgitate what they've read somewhere else. If you see something in print enough times you eventually assume it to be true. The alleged Fina toxicity rumor is a prime example.
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There are very few people at pulumbo's magnitude when it comes to the sport. Not everyone bodybuilder goes to med school. As I said before, they don't know much more than any of us know on elite. Sure some of them will know more, but the keyword is "some."

The main point of my post was that everyone here has access to the information that pro bodybuilders do.

-sk
 
chakarov said:
No wonder Shawn Ray has made almost ZERO progress in the last 8 - 10 years (I am NOT knocking him fopr that either!)! He wont ante up and fuck himself up to the point where most other pros have/WILL fuck themselves up! Shawn knows the difference between dangerous and UTTER STUPIDITY!!! Shawn Ray has half a brain!


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Shawn Ray? The guy has gained about 10 lbs of muscle *maybe* since he turned pro. That's showing that his body has adapted and he is doing nothing to challenge it.
He is part of the "do lots of sets at submaximal intensity" club.
He sucks.
 
Dial_tone said:


He is also part of the "I have huge bucks in the bank and I'll live long enough to spend it" club. I applaud the guy for not giving in an destroying his physique to move 1-2 rungs up the placement ladder, when there's much more money to be made selling wares online, guest posing and doing seminars. He's a businessman and he's protecting his most valuable asset.....his body.
Ask Andreas Munzer, or Mohammed Benaziza if the risks were worth it. Ohhh, you can't. THEY'RE DEAD! But you can ask Don Long who had a kidney transplant recently. You can ask Flex Wheeler who's now retired again, due to a kidney ailment.
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Agreed.

I think some of these pros do that much gear because they think that they have to win, and will do anything to win.

And others realize their stopping point (which is still probably still relatively high) and just try to keep what they have so that they can make money just like everyone else. Then go on with their lives enjoying it and not having to worry about health problems.

I think anyone who takes that much gear is not very smart.
What is the point of having loads of cash, when in 5-10 years youll be dead.

Shawn Ray is going to be one of those guys who is 55 years old and is still in good shape and will still have lots of money to enjoy life.

The others will be in a coffin.
 
I don't know a pro, or a pro that knows a pro. However I hear all kinds of stories and I don't believe 90% of them. I have to agree with Dial-Tone, I'm sure some of the pros don't have to take that much because they have great genetics, and some take a ton because they don't. That's my final word.
 
Well that cycle I posted came direct from a pro himself. Would he lie to me? Not if he planned on staying in my house the next time he visited here again.
 
Dial_tone said:


I think you're off a tiny bit with the last statement. The pros can talk to each other about their cycles. If we had access to the same information the pros we wouldn't be speculating about what the pros do....we'd know for sure. Even though we have people here supposedly quoting pro cycles, the end result is that half of us think it's too low and half think it's way too high.
I guess I just think there's a certain level or amount of info that isn't reaching this board.
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Who says we can't talk to other pros? Besides, if I was a pro and going to compete with another pro why would I tell him my exact cycle???
I'd feed them with bullshit.
-sk
 
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