Skeletal growth with HGH / IGF

[dugie65]

What experience do you guys have with height gains / overall bone growth with HGH?

I'm considering 1-2iu per day (limited by my budget) along with some IGF and var.

I've devised a scheme to check on my growth plates with the doc (complain about a sharp pain in the ankle, x-ray, casually bring up possibilities of further growth or exam of growth plates) that might work. I'm 23, but have grown ~1/2 inch over the past year, which makes me think I'll continue growing for a bit longer.

If my growth plates have stopped growing, what are the chances of unwanted growth in weird areas?

And just to emphasize my goals, don't say "you need test with that cycle, bro" I'm pretty sure that would not help in this situation.

I'm just getting back into things, but here's my current situation:
5'9 170 10-11% BF
LT goals: Put on lean muscle slowly, further my goals with competing in mountain biking / snowboarding

Thanks for the input dudes.

 

[lartinos]

You need to do about 4iu's minimum to get growth of the hands/jawline etc.. At your age I think you will no longer grow any taller bro.
Focus on your overall physique instead.

 

[RADAR]

at your age you don't need either of those,your body is producing enough hgh,test etc...........you are 23,gezzz,put in some hard work if you want to compete , look into Omega's lipostim,that will keep you going all day.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Did you guys listen to him? He is trying to get taller, not get ripped..

I have long thought of this.. As I poured over my research for years.. I always dreamed of having a pupil I can help grow taller..

This person is a bit older than I imagined, but I'd love to help him grow taller here..

This is the shadow game we play, in beautiful full color...

 

[needtogetaas]

once your growth plats close that is it my man you are not getting any taller. If you were to take growth well your plats are still open then yes you can add a shit load of height but once them bitches close forget it that is it

 

[needtogetaas]

And no your dick will not grow ether...

 

[ArmaniAK47]

dugie:

FIRST- Convince your doctor to scan your leg.. In my experience; I find being honest helps get me to my ends.. Don't tell him you plan on using drugs, but tell him you'd like to know if your growth plates are sealed.

My doctor "felt" mine when I was about 18 and said they weren't sealed yet.. So yours may do that as well.
You should also try and be sure all of the ones you want to grow are open.. You'd hate to get longer legs but not arms.. etc. (rare but could happen, if both sets are not still open.)

If they are sealed given the scan/physical results.. Abort the plan.
If they are still open we're in motion- read on.

Now that we know your growth plates are open we want to keep them open..
Get a hold of SEVERAL Aromatase Inhibiting drugs..
I'd like you to have Aromasin, Arimidex AND Letrozole.
Take NO estrogenic drugs, PERIOD! No soy, do not drink/eat from plastic containers/silverware. Avoid repeated exposure to reciept paper. Avoid commercial milk products. Avoid your girlfriend's birth control..

As you may know many androgens, like testosterone, aromatize into estrogen.. and Estrogen seals growth plates.
We're going to want to keep your estrogen very low.. which will suck for you.. It may hurt your libido, lipid profile and possibly immune function quite a bit during treatment.. but it is a risk we have to take to ensure we have the ability to increase bone length during the duration of treatment.

-How much taller would you like to be? Set a goal, we'll try and make it.- (and we'll know when to stop.)

Having very low estrogen levels is dangerous.. It's not natural.. Keep in mind serious thrombotic problems are possible.. As well as upsets in immune function.. and probably other risks we are not examining.. What you're attempting is serious.. and you need to be ready to accept these risks..

-That being said, though.. Many competitive bodybuilders keep it at an undetectable level during cutting phases.-

The best approach is probably an aggressive one.. Aiming at fast gains until you reach the end result desired.. Rather than attempting some steady/slow gains for a while..


First 3 weeks:
Arimidex 1mg EOD
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD

Continue above;
Start:
HGH- 4iu- ED
testosterone cypionate 250mgs/week
anavar- 20mgs/day
Primobolan- 300mgs/week
Deca- 100mgs/week
Dbol- 5mgs/day

Diet:
Around 6,000 calories/day...
Do not try and skew your macronutrient ratios, get carbs, proteins and fats. A gallon of whole milk (organic only) will add around 2200 calories easily, especially with digestive enzymes.

Eat as much as you possibly can, then drink a weight gainer.. every several hours.. Get a bottle of digestive enzymes (blend) and take them every big meal to help you assimilate all you are taking in better..

Imagine little kids when growing.. they feast..

Your hair and fingernails will be growing like crazy, as should your bones in this anabolic environment.

Continue medium weight- training.

Use inversion table each day.

Stretch upon waking.

-ArmaniAK47

 

[dugie65]

And no your dick will not grow ether...

Blast!

im around 5' 9 / 5' 10 and 23 and would not even think of attempting this.

im happy with my height though to be honest, the taller you are, the most muscle you need to carry to look a decent size.

now if i could get WIDER, well i would do a lot of things for that

I would be happy with another inch or two to my height. Realistically I'm closer to 5'8 but I like to say 5'9.

I took ~1-2IU's per day with some pretty significant results when I was 20, that's the only reason I'm willing to give it another shot. I could really tell a difference compared to the rest of the male members of my family.

dugie:
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Continue above;
Start:
HGH- 4iu- ED
testosterone cypionate 250mgs/week
anavar- 20mgs/day
Primobolan- 300mgs/week
Deca- 100mgs/week
Dbol- 5mgs/day

Great post by the way. But pretty heavy cycle you're suggesting. I appreciate the advice but I'm leaning towards longevity instead of freakish results.

What about EQ in addition to HGH/IGF? (Low aromitization, lean muscle building)


I'm interested to see if any one has any suggestions for long-term muscle building (I know, I know; not the usual topic in the AAS forum)?

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Blast!




I would be happy with another inch or two to my height. Realistically I'm closer to 5'8 but I like to say 5'9.

I took ~1-2IU's per day with some pretty significant results when I was 20, that's the only reason I'm willing to give it another shot. I could really tell a difference compared to the rest of the male members of my family.



Great post by the way. But pretty heavy cycle you're suggesting. I appreciate the advice but I'm leaning towards longevity instead of freakish results.

What about EQ in addition to HGH/IGF? (Low aromitization, lean muscle building)


I'm interested to see if any one has any suggestions for long-term muscle building (I know, I know; not the usual topic in the AAS forum)?

I agree that it is heavy.. but I feel like you could really gain on it..

Would you rather maybe 1 inch off hgh + EQ or maybe 2 off my suggestion?

Or maybe 0 inches Vs 1..
We don't know yet.

EQ does aromatize much slower.. but it's going to behave slightly differently than testosterone- which we know has an impact on linear height.. The aromatization problem is one we need to handle, for sure.. but that is what our medium-heavy ancillary use is for..

EQ is also rumored to cause anxiety.. and anxiety really bothers me.. So it's another reason I rarely advise it's taking over test + AI..

Do it however you'd like, but I strongly suggest AI usage for this goal.. Your growth plates are sealed by estrogens, so long as there isn't enough estrogen they will not seal. (As you may know this is why many women are less tall than men, on average. Our growth stops when we have enough testosterone converting to estrogen.)

 

[_Nomad]

FIRST- Convince your doctor to scan your leg.. In my experience; I find being honest helps get me to my ends.. Don't tell him you plan on using drugs, but tell him you'd like to know if your growth plates are sealed.

My doctor "felt" mine when I was about 18 and said they weren't sealed yet.. So yours may do that as well.
You should also try and be sure all of the ones you want to grow are open.. You'd hate to get longer legs but not arms.. etc. (rare but could happen, if both sets are not still open.)

If they are sealed given the scan/physical results.. Abort the plan.
If they are still open we're in motion- read on.

Now that we know your growth plates are open we want to keep them open..
Get a hold of SEVERAL Aromatase Inhibiting drugs..
I'd like you to have Aromasin, Arimidex AND Letrozole.
Take NO estrogenic drugs, PERIOD! No soy, do not drink/eat from plastic containers/silverware. Avoid repeated exposure to reciept paper. Avoid commercial milk products. Avoid your girlfriend's birth control..

As you may know many androgens, like testosterone, aromatize into estrogen.. and Estrogen seals growth plates.
We're going to want to keep your estrogen very low.. which will suck for you.. It may hurt your libido, lipid profile and possibly immune function quite a bit during treatment.. but it is a risk we have to take to ensure we have the ability to increase bone length during the duration of treatment.

-How much taller would you like to be? Set a goal, we'll try and make it.- (and we'll know when to stop.)

Having very low estrogen levels is dangerous.. It's not natural.. Keep in mind serious thrombotic problems are possible.. As well as upsets in immune function.. and probably other risks we are not examining.. What you're attempting is serious.. and you need to be ready to accept these risks..

-That being said, though.. Many competitive bodybuilders keep it at an undetectable level during cutting phases.-

The best approach is probably an aggressive one.. Aiming at fast gains until you reach the end result desired.. Rather than attempting some steady/slow gains for a while..


First 3 weeks:
Arimidex 1mg EOD
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD

Continue above;
Start:
HGH- 4iu- ED
testosterone cypionate 250mgs/week
anavar- 20mgs/day
Primobolan- 300mgs/week
Deca- 100mgs/week
Dbol- 5mgs/day

Diet:
Around 6,000 calories/day...
Do not try and skew your macronutrient ratios, get carbs, proteins and fats. A gallon of whole milk (organic only) will add around 2200 calories easily, especially with digestive enzymes.

Eat as much as you possibly can, then drink a weight gainer.. every several hours.. Get a bottle of digestive enzymes (blend) and take them every big meal to help you assimilate all you are taking in better..

Imagine little kids when growing.. they feast..

Your hair and fingernails will be growing like crazy, as should your bones in this anabolic environment.

Continue medium weight- training.

Use inversion table each day.

Stretch upon waking.

-ArmaniAK47

Explains a lot, great post.