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Should Tookie Williams be executed?

Should the founder of the Crips and a killer be granted clemency

  • No

    Votes: 35 48.6%
  • Yes

    Votes: 37 51.4%

  • Total voters
    72

chesty

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I say yes. Great, he did some good, maybe from the inside, but then anyone who is a dead man walking will do what he can to change that fact. As the family members of the victims have stated, he has shown no remorse, has not renounced his gang membership, has not done anything to help law enforcement disband the Crips that he founded, and has bragged about the sounds one of his victims made (a father of two) after he shot him twice in the back. He has stated how he used to like to rob Asians cause they always had money.

If he has made his peace with his god, great. When he gets there, let his god decide what to do, but as for me, he needs to die. His victims didn't get an appeal process, they didn't get the opportunity to ask for clemency, they had their Constitutional rights violated with no recourse.

If Gov Schwarzenegger grants him clemency, then it will be a sad day in California and I will have lost a lot of respect for him.
 
Love the sig Sponge, we should send it to him as he gets it!
 
chesty said:
I say yes. Great, he did some good, maybe from the inside, but then anyone who is a dead man walking will do what he can to change that fact. As the family members of the victims have stated, he has shown no remorse, has not renounced his gang membership, has not done anything to help law enforcement disband the Crips that he founded, and has bragged about the sounds one of his victims made (a father of two) after he shot him twice in the back. He has stated how he used to like to rob Asians cause they always had money.

If he has made his peace with his god, great. When he gets there, let his god decide what to do, but as for me, he needs to die. His victims didn't get an appeal process, they didn't get the opportunity to ask for clemency, they had their Constitutional rights violated with no recourse.

If Gov Schwarzenegger grants him clemency, then it will be a sad day in California and I will have lost a lot of respect for him.
This is one of the best posts I have seen on Elite
 
Anyone named Tookie needs to be killed.
 
Yes, he should die, slowly.

The only reason he reformed his attitude was because he was sent to prison. Who cares if he wrote a book. Murder supercedes published works.
 
ill bite his head off. look at my friggin teeth
 
That article was intended to ellicit a favorable response towards Williams, I highly doubt after having exhausted all of his appeals and personally bragging about the crimes that he was framed/set up in anyway.
 
gjohnson5 said:
To quote a great man , "an eye for an eye leave 2 people blind"
Actually, its "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

But, I wouldnt expect you to know much of anything.
 
an eye for an eye doesn't leave anyone blind, just with no depth perception. Seriously, hang a hundred pounds from his feet, put a single knot noose around his neck and toss him out of the window.
 
chesty said:
an eye for an eye doesn't leave anyone blind, just with no depth perception. Seriously, hang a hundred pounds from his feet, put a single knot noose around his neck and toss him out of the window.
I say cut off his testicles, then each of his fingers and toes. Let him bleed to death over the course of 24 hours. Revive him, then burn off his nipples.

I would assume he would die of shock right after that.

IMO thats still a little more humane than he deserves.
 
I'm thinking a garlic press for his nuts, electrodes on his nipples, and a corncobb in his ass. Then for the hell of it, put him in a vacuum chamber and evacuate it in less than 1 microsecond.
 
EnderJE said:
Wow. And just think, he's costing the US more now then when he was out.
Human life is of greater value than money.

Well, innocent human life. Him and all of his animal followers can fry for all I care.
 
I'm thinking pay per view for a nominal fee to watch him fry!
 
75th said:
Human life is of greater value than money.

Well, innocent human life. Him and all of his animal followers can fry for all I care.
Life is cheap. All life is cheap because it can be taken away so easily.
 
AristotleBC said:
Chesty your title says:

Should he be executed,

but your Poll title is:

Should he get clemency


..

yes there is some confusion on chesty's part. just a technocality though.
 
why the hell not, lets do it on saturday. before the bowl games. we'll have chips and dips and fill the keg.
 
silverbackn said:
This is one of the best posts I have seen on Elite
I won't agree it's one of the best, he's just stating the obvious! j/k I agree with it wholeheartedly, though.
IMO anyone who removes or disrespects the rights of others, should have their own rights forefeit in equal measure.
10mm solution.
EDIT:
After reading that article, I'll say this:
If the evidence of that particular conviction is in any way questionable, I think it should be reinvestigated/tried.
He is scum for what he has done, but, given his actions while incarcerated, granted clemency. If, after clemency is granted, he backslides at all in his actions, he should spend the rest of his life in solitary.
 
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gjohnson5 said:
You don't even know who i'm talking about...
Well, Ghandi was the one who originally said it.

And yes that was the direct quote.

Im sorry if you thought you were quoting one of your boys.
 
Given that there are no direct rules for granting clemency, why not define them THEN apply them?

"Oh he was a good boy who murdered a whole bunch of people and started a gang that still terrorizes SC LA." WTF?
 
JayC9 said:
that 'fact sheet' pegs him as a saint
LOL, Im sure that "tookie.com" is a very objective source.
 
he should not be granted clemency. i have read about the good things he has done from prison, and i even rented the movie about his life staring jamie foxx. but all of his "good" deeds do not breath life back into the people he has murdered or had murdered. he was charged, tried, convicted and sentenced to death. if his sentence is not carried out, i am sure the childrens book sections will be filled with books written by murderers shortly thereafter.
 
If you're a killer, you will always be a killer. It's part of your make up & mentality. I'm sure he doesn't lose any sleep over what he's done. & the truth of the matter is, him being on death row probably extended his life by 10 -15 years. I think they should kill him.
 
GJohnson
To quote a great man , "an eye for an eye leave 2 people blind"

LOL why doesnt it surprise me you would sympathize with a fucking gang banging peice of shit like "Tookie"

What the fuck is wrong with you????


The guy was known for killing peopel AT CLOSE RANGE with a shotgun,.. he killed an entire family in a motel robbery!?!?!?


How can ANY of you not want to see this man die a horrific death.. he created one of those most notorious gangs in history and now he has the nerve to write childrens books???!! WTF!

FUCKING DISGUSTING.
 
milo hobgoblin said:
LOL why doesnt it surprise me you would sympathize with a fucking gang banging peice of shit like "Tookie"

What the fuck is wrong with you????


The guy was known for killing peopel AT CLOSE RANGE with a shotgun,.. he killed an entire family in a motel robbery!?!?!?


How can ANY of you not want to see this man die a horrific death.. he created one of those most notorious gangs in history and now he has the nerve to write childrens books???!! WTF!

FUCKING DISGUSTING.

This is your opinion. I'm generally against the death penalty as there is only one judge... Killing him won't bring anyone else back will it???

Please relax your language
 
Nope but it will make a lot of people who are victims of his crimes and crimes spawned directly fromHIS actions feel A LOT better.

you may not like it.. but for those of us who dont beleive in your little fariy tale of heaven and hell .. its justice.

And YOU do have a very bad habit of identifying with criminals.. stop doing it and I'll relax my language.
 
gjohnson5 said:
This is your opinion. I'm generally against the death penalty as there is only one judge... Killing him won't bring anyone else back will it???

Please relax your language

Its one judge, but its 12 tax-paying citizens of average moral character that recommended the sentence.

Killing him wont bring anyone back, but it will prevent him from breeding, inspiring, and allowing him to offend again.
 
milo hobgoblin said:
Nope but it will make a lot of people who are victims of his crimes and crimes spawned directly fromHIS actions feel A LOT better.

you may not like it.. but for those of us who dont beleive in your little fariy tale of heaven and hell .. its justice.

And YOU do have a very bad habit of identifying with criminals.. stop doing it and I'll relax my language.


OOh lord , I'm not even going to recognize the last statement...
It's not worth the effort. By killing a murderer makes people feel better?? So being convicted of a crime and sentanced to life in jail isnt good enough? I think it's you who need to look in the mirror and check yourself
 
gjohnson5 said:
OOh lord , I'm not even going to recognize the last statement...
It's not worth the effort. By killing a murderer makes people feel better?? So being convicted of a crime and sentanced to life in jail isnt good enough? I think it's you who need to look in the mirror and check yourself
I dont think most people want to pay to keep some worthless, lowlife, animal piece of shit alive with three meals a day and cable TV for 40 years.

If this is right up your alley, Ill pm you my address and you can send me a check to make up for all my hard earned money wasted on this asshole so far.
 
75th said:
I dont think most people want to pay to keep some worthless, lowlife, animal piece of shit alive with three meals a day and cable TV for 40 years.

If this is right up your alley, Ill pm you my address and you can send me a check to make up for all my hard earned money wasted on this asshole so far.
Or, better yet, lets model our prison system after Siberia.

No heat, 1 meal a day consisting of bread/water, 24 hour isolation, non-working toilet, etc.

I wouldnt mind keeping him there for the next 40 years. Less cost to me, more suffering for him.

Only downside is that he wouldnt get your love letters.
 
75th said:
Its one judge, but its 12 tax-paying citizens of average moral character that recommended the sentence.

Killing him wont bring anyone back, but it will prevent him from breeding, inspiring, and allowing him to offend again.

The main reason why I'm not a proponent of the death penalty is because America has proven that a death penalty is no deterrent. Also the Idea of copycats also proves that even after you kill one of these murderers another one can pop up and commit similar acts.
 
gjohnson5 said:
The main reason why I'm not a proponent of the death penalty is because America has proven that a death penalty is no deterrent. Also the Idea of copycats also proves that even after you kill one of these murderers another one can pop up and commit similar acts.
I dont see it as a deterrant either. I see it as punishment. Unfortunately, folks these days dont believe in purification...basically causing suffering until death, which someone like this guy deserves. So, death will have to do.

And LOL at your copycat statement, suggesting that only after someone is executed will another person try and copy him.

If someone is going to be a copycat, the will do it while the person is alive or dead. Shit, there are a good number of copycats that operate while their "inspiration" isnt even in prison.
 
75th said:
And LOL at your copycat statement, suggesting that only after someone is executed will another person try and copy him.

No , this is just what you read into it...
They can be in jail , alive or dead from a death sentance... it makes no difference as it proves a death penalty does not stop someone from doing the same things (alive or dead)

What even more maddening is people who do this get out of jail because of the justice system and then end up committing these acts again..
 
gjohnson5 said:
No , this is just what you read into it...
They can be in jail , alive or dead from a death sentance... it makes no difference as it proves a death penalty does not stop someone from doing the same things (alive or dead)

What even more maddening is people who do this get out of jail because of the justice system and then end up committing these acts again..
Exactly...the only way to keep someone from getting out of jail and offending again is by executing them. I have zero sympathy for animals like Tookie.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I think some cases are just hopeless and the death penalty is the only option when you know if the person gets out they will only kill again
Which is something that Tookie would do.

Each day hes alive only inspires more animals to fight in his honor.
 
gjohnson5 said:
obviously alot of people don't agree with you or this wouldn't be up for debate...

Well, no. Its just like the Christmas Tree / Holiday Tree debate. 95% of people still would like it to remain Christmas Tree, but (as PC as this country is) we still waste our time humoring the 5% by listening to them bitch about something retarded.

The only folks who dont want this guy to die are people that dont have any sense of reality, and those who aspire to be an animal like him.
 
gjohnson5 said:
The main reason why I'm not a proponent of the death penalty is because America has proven that a death penalty is no deterrent. Also the Idea of copycats also proves that even after you kill one of these murderers another one can pop up and commit similar acts.
The first and foremost purpose of the death penalty is punishment and justice, not deterrent.
 
100% not sure......................
The evidence that the defense has doesn't match up at all. So granting clemency would indeed warrant a new investigation but unfortunatley after all these years it would make defending him a waste of the state of california's court time and money assuming that they "haven't already" and can't produce any other evidence suggesting his innocence.
still 100% unsure about this one. In a perfect world with the proper evidence a murderer should in fact be executed!
 
If the man showed a bit of humility and gave an sincere apology, i would be more inclined to support a clemency bid...the evidence against him seems to be overwhelming...yet he's arrogant about the matter, no respect at all
 
milo hobgoblin said:
Is the asshole dead yet?

If not, what day is the bbq?
This tuesday, the 13th.

Im stocking up on confetti and party hats tomorrow.
 
I'm not certain if he should or not, but I do feel that Arnie will grant him Clemency.

I also would not be shocked if he changed into a more moderate politician (like McCain) to save his career in California...or elsewhere.

The whole Tookie issue can be infinitely complex or plain as day, depending on your stance. For Arnie, he has a huge, vocal, liberal population...and a very large Conservative party...so whatever he chooses, he's going to piss someone off.
 
novamanms said:
I'm not certain if he should or not, but I do feel that Arnie will grant him Clemency.

I also would not be shocked if he changed into a more moderate politician (like McCain) to save his career in California...or elsewhere.

The whole Tookie issue can be infinitely complex or plain as day, depending on your stance. For Arnie, he has a huge, vocal, liberal population...and a very large Conservative party...so whatever he chooses, he's going to piss someone off.
For some reason, I myself cant see Arnold letting this slide. I guess we will see in a matter of days.
 
Gambino said:
If the man showed a bit of humility and gave an sincere apology, i would be more inclined to support a clemency bid...the evidence against him seems to be overwhelming...yet he's arrogant about the matter, no respect at all
He still maintains his "not guilty" plea.

Just like OJ.

Just like Robert Blake.
 
gjohnson5 said:
life in prison does not represent a penalty and justice to the victims?
The fact that they are still allowed to breath is a slap in the face. Not to mention the fact that I have to pay for them to eat, work out, watch cable TV, and make money off of little books that they write.
 
gjohnson5 said:
So your world revolves around finances?
Strapped for cash 75th???
No, but Im not surprised someone as dim as yourself jumps to this conclusion.

Answer me this...do YOU like paying for every prison inmate to have cable TV, large gymnasiums, etc?

I dont. Therefor, the funds for keeping an animal like Williams alive shouldnt come out of my paycheck.

If you think he and folks like him deserve to live, Ill pm you my address and you can send me a check every month.

Didnt think so.

I can just imagine you being one of the retards up near Sacramento protesting, claiming that the death penalty is "racist." You guys live in your own little fantasy world dontcha?
 
75th said:
The fact that they are still allowed to breath is a slap in the face. Not to mention the fact that I have to pay for them to eat, work out, watch cable TV, and make money off of little books that they write.
Up here, a convicted criminal cannot make money from anything resuling from his crime, books, movies, etc.
I wouldn't mind so much, these guys having cable, if they were put to work 10 hrs a day, maintaining sreets, cleaning highways, shovelling snow downtown, etc.
 
I thought you were stripped of your rights while in jail. Hell, they even have the internet. They should have it like it was in the old days. Grow your own food. Be self supportive. It's not a finance thing :rolleyes: . It's all about a convicted killer that needs to go. Free a/c, heat, cable, 3 hots and a cot for how many yrs. now? Who's paying for it? He's had his due process, it's time to go.
 
I have often wondered which the worst is. Both sitting in jail for the rest of your life and be reminded of the things you did. On the other hand, being put out of your misery. In some cases the person who had done the crime my never feel sorry for there action and then your left feeling as if nothing will ever be accomplished ,especially for the victims families.

I do however believe that if you’re proven 100% without a doubt guilty of the crime. You should be executed. Why should the families of the victims pay taxes to feed, clothe, keep you warm in the winter, and cool in the summer? It costs more to keep a person on death row then it does to kill them.

“Stop sterilizing the needles when you execute someone, does it really matter if they get an infection?”
 
milo hobgoblin said:
75th we should have a tookie is dead SoCal party..

LOL.. now THAT is somethign worth celebrating.
LOL I can see the thread sticky now...

"Elite Fitness Post Execution Good Bro So Cal Meet Up"
 
or a karma bookie on how long will it take for Tookie to die.... do they still use the gas chamber in Cali ?
 
manny78 said:
do they still use the gas chamber in Cali ?

You betcha.
 
milo hobgoblin said:
75th we should have a tookie is dead SoCal party..

LOL.. now THAT is somethign worth celebrating.


I agree !!!!!!! i'll bring the party hats and horns

reminds me of that bitch that Bush while he was still Gov of Texas could have saved that said she was born again and repented, yea whatever.. adminster the shot now please
 
chesty said:
I say yes. Great, he did some good, maybe from the inside, but then anyone who is a dead man walking will do what he can to change that fact. As the family members of the victims have stated, he has shown no remorse, has not renounced his gang membership, has not done anything to help law enforcement disband the Crips that he founded, and has bragged about the sounds one of his victims made (a father of two) after he shot him twice in the back. He has stated how he used to like to rob Asians cause they always had money.

If he has made his peace with his god, great. When he gets there, let his god decide what to do, but as for me, he needs to die. His victims didn't get an appeal process, they didn't get the opportunity to ask for clemency, they had their Constitutional rights violated with no recourse.

If Gov Schwarzenegger grants him clemency, then it will be a sad day in California and I will have lost a lot of respect for him.

I say, someone should shoot him in the back with a shotgun twice and watch him die gurgling on his blood while the victims' family gets to laf at him just like tookie did to them.

Pull the switch and fry his sorry ass.
 
What did I tell ya? Now people are threatening to riot if he is killed.

Just goes to show the types of animals that live in our society...how you can justify breaking and looting shit because a guy who killed a handful of people in cold blood is going to be put out of our misery.

Council Members Urge Calm Over 'Tookie' Williams Decisions

POSTED: 2:13 pm PST December 9, 2005

LOS ANGELES -- Four Los Angeles City Council members called for calm Friday as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger considers whether to grant clemency to Crips co-founder and death row inmate Stanley "Tookie" Williams.

With less than four days to go before Williams' scheduled Tuesday execution, sporadic-yet-credible threats of civil unrest have prompted the council members and representatives from the city and county human relations commissions to ask religious leaders to emphasize a message of peace during weekend services.

"We picked up information that led us to believe that there were some planned and intentioned acts of violence that could occur in the wake of the decision or the execution planned for Stan "Tookie" Williams," Robin Toma, executive director of the Los Angeles County Human Relations Commission, said during a news conference at City Hall.

Toma declined to list the affected communities or elaborate on the threats.

Councilman Bernard Parks said he spoke earlier today about potential civil unrest with Los Angeles Police Department Deputy Chief Earl Paysinger of the South Bureau.

Parks said Paysinger assured him the LAPD would remain "vigilant" this weekend, but there was no immediate need to put the city on tactical alert.

"All you need is a few to disrupt the entire city," Parks said, referring to the events that led to the 1992 riots. "You don't need large numbers of people to start a problem."

Parks, along with council members Jan Perry, Herb Wesson and Bill Rosendahl, said they are asking religious leaders to deliver a message of peace in the days leading up to Williams' scheduled lethal injection execution at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday at San Quentin Prison.

"Regardless of your personal views on Mr. Williams' situation, I believe we all share a desire to ensure that people find outlets in which they can respectfully and positively voice their opinions," Perry said. "I believe that our religious institutions provide guidance and leadership to thousands in our community, and it is times like these that we must turn to each other for support."

Williams, now 51, was sentenced to death in 1981 after he was found guilty of murdering four people during two separate robberies two years earlier.

Williams has maintained his innocence.

Attorneys for Williams and the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office each delivered 30 minutes of arguments to the governor yesterday, with prosecutors insisting that Williams deserved to die for the slayings and defense lawyers arguing that he has renounced gang violence.

The governor could issue a decision at any time.

If granted clemency, Williams would serve life in prison without parole.

In California, only the governor has the authority to commute a death sentence to life in prison. Ronald Reagan was the last California governor to grant clemency in 1967.

If clemency is denied, Parks said he will ask religious leaders to open their churches and synagogues for community discussions.

Rosendahl added: "I'm standing here as a white guy that represents the 11th District who realizes it impacts all of us, we're all in this dialogue together. In my district, black and white and brown and Asian together are mixing and discussing this issue. It's of great concern to all of us."

The Crips street gang, founded in 1971 in South Central Los Angeles, went on to become one of the most violent and widespread in the United States.

Family members of Williams' victims say he should be put to death for his actions.

But Williams's supporters say he has reformed because he spent much of the past 24 years writing children's books and teaching at-risk youth about the dangers of gangs. Supporters also have nominated him for Nobel prizes, for peace and in literature.

"For those who believe in redemption, they should remember that for the past 13 years, Mr. Williams has been talking about peace, not violence," Councilman Herb Wesson said. "I think the biggest tribute they could pay to him is to ensure that whatever happens ... they should be respectful to how he lived his life for the last 13 years."

Since being condemned to death, Williams has renounced his gang past, been the subject of a cable TV movie called "Redemption" starring Jamie Foxx. He was nominated in 2000 for a Nobel Peace Prize by Swiss Parliament member Mario Fehr for the anti-gang work he has done from his 9-by-4-foot cell.

Calls for clemency have been mounting from religious and community leaders and celebrities such as Foxx, the rapper Snoop Dogg, actor Mike Farrell and activist Bianca Jagger.

National Association for the Advancement of Colored People President Bruce Gordon also supports clemency, calling Williams "our secret weapon to help young African-Americans avoid gangs."
 
75th said:
If you think he and folks like him deserve to live, Ill pm you my address and you can send me a check every month.

Didnt think so.

Sounds like you are strapped for cash as once again money is a key focus in your post. You failed to shift focus on Tookie and kept it on yourself.

Anyway, You have to pay taxes one way or another... What the money goes to is anyone's guess. Some maximum security pens such as Angola produce thier own foods. Instead of letting them rot , make them work to produce revenue. I don't have a problem with keeping a problem child (or adult) off the streets.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Sounds like you are strapped for cash as once again money is a key focus in your post. You failed to shift focus on Tookie and kept it on yourself.

Anyway, You have to pay taxes one way or another... What the money goes to is anyone's guess. Some maximum security pens such as Angola produce thier own foods. Instead of letting them rot , make them work to produce revenue. I don't have a problem with keeping a problem child (or adult) off the streets.

LOL at you being too stupid to recognize the difference between straight money and the basic principle that I shouldnt have to pay to make some animal have a better time in prison.

What the money goes to is anyone's guess?

Wow, I thought you saying that Clinton wasnt impeached was the day you hit rock bottom, but I was wrong.
 
75th said:
LOL at you being too stupid to recognize the difference between straight money and the basic principle that I shouldnt have to pay to make some animal have a better time in prison.

What the money goes to is anyone's guess?

Wow, I thought you saying that Clinton wasnt impeached was the day you hit rock bottom, but I was wrong.

You generally are wrong , but you point out my typos well
Unfortunately that's all the credit I can give you.

Anyway I don't believe in the death penalty and I stick by that. I also stick by my job offer to you , lol
 
gjohnson5 said:
You generally are wrong , but you point out my typos well
Unfortunately that's all the credit I can give you.

Anyway I don't believe in the death penalty and I stick by that. I also stick by my job offer to you , lol

why don't you believe in killing someone who's proven to have killed someone else? I'd rather spend a few hundred dollars for the electricity or drugs to kill this thug, than to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars housing a low life like this for the next 30-50 years.

like I said..


FRY HIS ASS.. :lightning :fryhim:
 
sparetire said:
why don't you believe in killing someone who's proven to have killed someone else? I'd rather spend a few hundred dollars for the electricity or drugs to kill this thug, than to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars housing a low life like this for the next 30-50 years.

like I said..


FRY HIS ASS.. :lightning :fryhim:
LOL dont bother with him.

Check out some of his past pearls of wisdom:

gjohnson5 said:
Your statistics while true are not facts.
gjohnson5 said:
One things true theres a bunch of ass white ass snowflakes out there...
gjohnson5 said:
Dont be an idiot.
Clinton was never impeached.
This next one is my favorite:
gjohnson5 said:
You could never be any personality of mine because I you are not knowledgable enough, you do not schooled enough and just plain are not smart enough.
gjohnson5 said:
If you are saying that me making a comment that other black folks not acting to what I consider to be "black" makes me racist... Then I'm racist...
 
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