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vinylgroover
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So much for eating out tonight
Should people with AIDS be allowed to work at resturaunts?
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gymtime
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What do any of you suppose the liklihood of a restaurant worker passing HIV onto a customer is? Especially someone taking current drugs that make the virus literally undetectable?
The only way I see it happening is if the worker were to be somehow cut, then bleed into some food that is later eaten by a customer. And even in that case, infection is certainly not guaranteed.
I don't pretend to have facts or figures here, but my guess is that you'd have an equal chance of being hit by a bus on your way home.
The only way I see it happening is if the worker were to be somehow cut, then bleed into some food that is later eaten by a customer. And even in that case, infection is certainly not guaranteed.
I don't pretend to have facts or figures here, but my guess is that you'd have an equal chance of being hit by a bus on your way home.
vinylgroover
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gymtime said:
That's a risk i'm more willing to take
VeggieLifterChick
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There's probably a really low chance of transmission...there would have to be blood contact because saliva alone won't do it. And once HIV is exposed to the air it dies within a few seconds. So I think the person with HIV/AIDS would have to have cut themselves enough to bleed, bleed onto the food, and then have you eat the food really fast, and even then you'd need to have a cut in your mouth, and the blood would have to touch it. Even if you swallowed the blood, if u didn't have a cut, I think the chance of infection would be super low.
Of course, if the person with HIV/AIDS is like Frackal and jerks off at work, well, then you have a real problem.
Of course, if the person with HIV/AIDS is like Frackal and jerks off at work, well, then you have a real problem.
gymtime
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vinylgroover said:
That's a risk i'm more willing to take
I see. So to put the fearful, ignorant minds of the masses at ease, you're content to deprive someone of his or her livlihood?
I'd do some reading up boys before you start depriving others of whom you are scared of a basic right.
HumorMe
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VeggieLifterChick said:There's probably a really low chance of transmission...there would have to be blood contact because saliva alone won't do it. And once HIV is exposed to the air it dies within a few seconds. So I think the person with HIV/AIDS would have to have cut themselves enough to bleed, bleed onto the food, and then have you eat the food really fast, and even then you'd need to have a cut in your mouth, and the blood would have to touch it. Even if you swallowed the blood, if u didn't have a cut, I think the chance of infection would be super low.
Of course, if the person with HIV/AIDS is like Frackal and jerks off at work, well, then you have a real problem.
What about that dentist several years ago that infected several of his patients?
VeggieLifterChick
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HumorMe said:
Didn't hear about that. How did it happen? BTW, that's way different from being a waiter - a dentist is making the cuts in your mouth, totally exposing you to infections of all sorts.
plornive
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To me it's not a question about bleeding heart liberalism or staunch conservatism.
I'm curious how contagious HIV is if someone chews a sandwhich with a little bit of blood on it. And how often do people cut themselves in restaurant kitchens. In my experience (2 years as restaurant cook), there's no problem.
AIDS sufferers should not work in restaurants. HIV, I'm not sure. I need some data.
I'm curious how contagious HIV is if someone chews a sandwhich with a little bit of blood on it. And how often do people cut themselves in restaurant kitchens. In my experience (2 years as restaurant cook), there's no problem.
AIDS sufferers should not work in restaurants. HIV, I'm not sure. I need some data.
vinylgroover
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gymtime said:
I was being facetious GT. Fact is, there are plenty of people who we come in contact with every day who are HIV but it doesn't bother us because we don't know about it.
Whether the person is HIV or not, proper precautions need to be taken for handling food......as long as those precautions are taken, then there is no risk of HIV or any other bacteria, infection, disease etc of causing any problems.
plornive
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Now that we are on this topic...VeggieLifterChick said:Of course, if the person with HIV/AIDS is like Frackal and jerks off at work, well, then you have a real problem.
I have an interesting friend that shits, pisses and jerks off into the pizza sauces at work. He works at a very popular 24 hour mediterranean pizza place next to some clubs. He told me he learned it from some other people that have done it for years.
HumorMe
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VeggieLifterChick said:
This happened about 8-10 years ago. I know it's different but since that happened then it's possible a waiter or a cook could transmit HIV/AIDS.
Of course how could you possibly know if a worker is infected but with the laws the way they are, I'm sure they have rights to protect them.
vinylgroover
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plornive said:
okaaaay........i'm eating in tonight.
VeggieLifterChick
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EWWWWWWWWWW...what city is this in? I'll now avoid all pizza places near clubs.
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DUSTY
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AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE SEX WITH YOU OR SPILLED BLOOD UPON YOU EVERYONE SHOULD BE OK.Darktooth said:
assuming the employee disclosed his/her HIV status if he knew it (which they are under no objection to)
yes. i think its prudent to make them very aware of the healh riks and take some precaution but the risks in them preparing food are not the same as them sharing needles with you. the cooking of the food woul probably kill the vius and its dies in contact with air (not as quickly as reported in the media apparently)
now hep. A & B, you wanna be afraid of them! especially B! much more infectious and its the duracell of bloodborne virus's
yes. i think its prudent to make them very aware of the healh riks and take some precaution but the risks in them preparing food are not the same as them sharing needles with you. the cooking of the food woul probably kill the vius and its dies in contact with air (not as quickly as reported in the media apparently)
now hep. A & B, you wanna be afraid of them! especially B! much more infectious and its the duracell of bloodborne virus's
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CASS
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no, no way
circusgirl
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VeggieLifterChick said:
He was using his own instruments on his teeth while having bleeding ulcers due to AIDS and then failed to sterilise the instruments properly.
This is more a question of general food hygeine. You do not want blood or body fluids from another person in your food, even if they don't have any diseases at all, because we all have germs that we carry around with each other that could be nasty if left to multiply in food.
Food service workers generally have to use hand sanitiser or gloves when handling food - and are supposed to get all cuts seen to right away and not go near food or surfaces while bleeding.
I'm sure lots of palces violate health code practice but in this case it's health code compliance that is the problem.
Trust me, e-coli infection from someone who didn't clean their hands after wiping their butt is a MUCH bigger problem. Or cross-transmission of nasty stuff from raw to cooked meat. etc etc etc
If you ever worked in a kitchen you'd never eat in a restaurant again! Just kidding. The water in the washers we used to use was pretty damn hot re plates and stuff....
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CASS
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plornive said:
no not hep either, however hep is far more easily spend that HIV is. Also depends on which hep a person has as to how it can be passed on.
no way esp. if they have Hep C.
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Baoh
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No.
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CASS
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hep C is the easiest to catch and pass one. whith hep c unlike the other heps any contact with a person infected is risky. i face this at work and its not nice. its not nice for the person who has it either.
even saliva if the spit while talking poses a real risk. Hep C is by far a very nasty and horrible condition. A very good friend of mine who is a high up in the medical world, says that dying from Hep c is more painful and horid that dying from HIV/AIDS.
even saliva if the spit while talking poses a real risk. Hep C is by far a very nasty and horrible condition. A very good friend of mine who is a high up in the medical world, says that dying from Hep c is more painful and horid that dying from HIV/AIDS.
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ariolanine
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People with communicable diseases shouldn't be at large.
atlantabiolab
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If the management knew about the worker's condition, then it would be prudent to take every precaution possible to prevent transmission of any disease. Not that this would even matter, for if a person could show that they contracted a disease from the staff, then they could sue the establishment out of existence, and rightfully so, if the disease were known.
You don't have a right to a job.
You don't have a right to a job.
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CASS
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plornive said:
Yea bro your right, i've just re-read my post. My bad! i ment to say Hep B!!!!
gettinlarger
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plornive said:
I would beat him to death if I knew him. That is absolutely repugnant.
AustinTX
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HumorMe said:
That dentist was using sterile instruments to pick on his teeth and gums, then using them right away on patients; so there was blood to blood contact.
There is really no chance of contracting HIV from food; it dies right away, is killed in the mouth/stomach. You're much more likely to have to worry about a waiter stabbng a knive through his finger and into you, or some other mishap like that than the food. Hepatitis A, and various colds/bacteria, on the other hand, can be easily spread through food.
atlantabiolab
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plornive said:
Rights fall under the realm of politics, so this is as pertinent as the transmissibility of the virus. The owner has a say in the existence of his establishment.
Lets see restaurants the breeding ground for young kids who party and have sex ( hepatitis) has many gay workers, bi sexual workers, and drug addicts ( hiv), illegal immigrants ( sars) and you can go on and on. Now how exactly does one stop any employee from working? You can't ask the above questions on a application so your kind of fucked. Something personally I don't think about as you can't get aids from a server serving food, you can get hepatitis if a cook has an open wound and wears no protection (gloves) happens often and sars is rare hear but how about the west coast restaurnats who hire employees from these countries.
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Frackal
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Well there are a bunch of dumb college students protesting gays being discriminated from giving blood
VeggieLifterChick
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Why shouldn't they give blood, frackal? I assume the reason is an assumption that gay people have a higher risk of disease, linked to the promiscuity stereotype.
But, all donated blood is screened for diseases before it can be used. So why wouldn't they be allowed to donate?
But, all donated blood is screened for diseases before it can be used. So why wouldn't they be allowed to donate?
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Frackal
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FDA mandates that homosexuals cannot give blood due to their vastly higher risk of HIV, as well as other diseases. There is still AIDs infected blood that sneaks through undetected, as well as blood that has the virus contracted recently but is in too early a stage to be detected.
It's really a non-issue. The unfortunate truth is that gays have higher rates of HIV.
It's really a non-issue. The unfortunate truth is that gays have higher rates of HIV.
chanmanfoo
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CASS said:
nothing you posted here is correct.
also an aids infected person could slice their wrist in the kitchen bleed all over your pizza and by the time you are consuming it you have zero chance of infection.
you could have sex with an infected person for years unprotected and your chances of transmission are still fairly slim.
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CASS
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chanmanfoo said:
yea, if you read my reply you would see i have corrected that.
