Should I cycle or not?

[mbag012]

Please take the time to read through this and give advice.

Im turning 21 in december.
5ft 10" -> 178cm
176lb -> 80kg with 15-18% bf
Ive been training for 2 years but only really started training seriously since april. i am currently training on westside conjugate method. i think my training program is solid. im putting around 15lb on the bar every week.

in april i was 158lb and its november and im 176 which makes almost 18lb of muscle and fat in 6-7months which is fantastic so why am i tryna go on cycle? 2 reasons

1. from december to february next year i will have control over every aspect of my life since i am essentially free from all responsibilities. i want to take my diet to the 6-8000calorie region with 500grams protein a day which is easily achievable with enough junk food.

2. I can train for a year natty or i can train for 3 months and make the same gains. the latter is so much more appealing to me.

i was planning

test e 375mg/wk for 13wks.
HCG 500iu/wk from week 2 onwards
AI - I dont know where to get an AI. there are sources ive sniffed out but they turn out to be incredibly expensive. costs more than the steroids.

PCT - clomid 25 ED for 4 weeks
HCG - 500iu/wk for 2 weeks
nolva - 40mg ED for 5weeks.
letro - 0.5 to 2.5mg ED for x weeks.

the letro and nolva is to get rid of the puberty gyno its not really a part of the PCT

ALL advice will be appreciated

OH i also want to add, will it be better to do a shorter cycle? for example

test prop 50mg ED for 6weeks.

instead of the much longer 13 week test e cycle. i have no fear whatsoever of needles.

 

[stevesmi]

with your stats you are no where near ready

and you have been here for several months and thats the pct you want to go with?

you have no AI on hand because its expensive? if you run test you need an AI...

you put on 18 pounds since april so obviously you are able to gain naturally. i would be careful about increasing weight this fast, horrible for the body

focus on getting rid of your gyno and fat before even thinking about running steroids. at your age no reason why you shouldn't be under 10% body fat cleaning up your diet and getting in shape

 

[bigbassturd]

Keep lifting natty for a few years bro you are 20 years old. Get your diet dialed in, stop eating junk, and work on training. You're obviously doing something right, so don't put unneeded stress on your body.

Gaining too much strength too fast is terrible for a new lifter. You need conditioning before you consider runnibg AAS

 

[mbag012]

yeah youre right its a terrible idea.

i havent really read into the PCT side of things in depth yet so naturally my knowledge on it is quite lacking.

ill come back in a few years once i reach the 200lb region and ask again. thanks guys

 

[RickRock13]

You are definitely too young and also not ready yet for other reasons as well. Its fantastic that you were able to gain 18 lbs since April, but it appears you are going about it the wrong way. There are good ways and bad ways to try and add muscle. Taking in 6-8000 Cal's a day with "enough junk food" is not the right way to do it. Scale weight is not what you are after unless you want to get fatter and fatter. You want muscle, which means trying to eat reasonably clean with high protein ans keeping Cal's 500-700 cals above maintenance per day.

 

[squat till ya drop]

500 g of protein ?! Why ?!

 

[stevesmi]

You are definitely too young and also not ready yet for other reasons as well. Its fantastic that you were able to gain 18 lbs since April, but it appears you are going about it the wrong way. There are good ways and bad ways to try and add muscle. Taking in 6-8000 Cal's a day with "enough junk food" is not the right way to do it. Scale weight is not what you are after unless you want to get fatter and fatter. You want muscle, which means trying to eat reasonably clean with high protein ans keeping Cal's 500-700 cals above maintenance per day.

wow just wow.

i try to give people the benefit of the doubt but these types of threads boggle my mind.

yet another good reason why 20 year olds shouldn't juice. they just don't know how to eat yet (for the most part) i bet he gets his nutrition from fast food.

 

[mbag012]

no im mainly eating homemade food. i just said ill eat junk food because im only getting around 4-5000calories a day right now. fast food is more of a treat i get once in a while i never said i dine out on it every day lol. most of the 18lb(acually its 17.6lb) was muscle ive noticed very little fat gains if any over the past few months. bottom line, i will not cycle. /thread?

 

[psizzle_8]

no im mainly eating homemade food. i just said ill eat junk food because im only getting around 4-5000calories a day right now. fast food is more of a treat i get once in a while i never said i dine out on it every day lol. most of the 18lb(acually its 17.6lb) was muscle ive noticed very little fat gains if any over the past few months. bottom line, i will not cycle. /thread?

Hope you mean this and will follow through...

I'm glad the guys gave you some good advice. When I first saw your post last night I had similar feelings I would if I saw a little puppy run out into the freeway...

Radar, Steve, they're both respected vets and can help you with your diet and training. Take advantage of your good genetics and not needing juice

 

[bigbassturd]

Radar, Steve, they're both respected vets and can help you with your diet and training.

I quit!