Short Cycle Critique Please(Anavar Tbol)

[Ed101]

Hi Guys

This is my first post here but have been checking out the forums for a couple of years already for tips etc. Hope you guys take it easy and not Flame me

Age : 26 Years Old
Height: 5:10
Weight: 170lbs
Bodyfat: 11.5-12%

Cycle History : 1st Cycle : Test E , 2nd Cycle Test E and Winsrol,

Training History : Been working out on off for the past 8 years but been seriously going at it for the past 2. Currently working out 4-5 times a week.

Diet : Currently been doing Carb backloading

Would like to ask for inputs on the cycle below. anything i can do to make it better or if this will suffice. Currently avoiding needles so sticking to orals. Just want to Gain a bit of muscle and lose a bit more bodyfat.

Week 1- 2:
Cel Cycle Assist
liv 52

Week 3-8:
Liv52
Cel Cycle Assist
Hcgenerate
Anavar 100mg
Tbol 40mg
Creatine

Week 9-12
Hcgenerate
CelCycle Assist
Post Cycle Therapy and Unleashed
can throw in some Forma Stanzol

 

[Sakari]

Six weeks of two simultaneous Orals at that dose seems harsh. I'd skip the anavar and do 60 mg pd of tbol if you have enough.

 

[Sakari]

Tbol is strong enough to be run alone... If you can run low dose test, run tbol up front and anavar on back -- that would give you a much better result

 

[wootoom]

You need N2guard man...trust me, it's really good stuff


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[Sakari]

No OTC supplement is going to make a big enough difference if he's dosing 130mg of 2 Orals a day for6 weeks.

 

[Sakari]

Sorry. 140 mg.

 

[RickRock13]

There is no reason whatsoever to stack those two orals. Pick one or the other, but don't use both. That is way too much liver toxicity.

 

[Ed101]

Thanks for the inputs guys! Really appreciate it, what would you guys recommend though anavar? Or tbol? And at what dosages?

 

[Nelson Montana]

140 mgs of an oral is WAY too much. AT LEAST get some N2GUARD and protein factory POST CYCLE and use it WHILE ON.

 

[Reps For Jesus]

I don't think the 2 orals are that big of deal. Just make sure you are taking plenty of support for your liver both on cycle and in PCT. An alternative to what you have planned would be running proviron in place of one of the orals. So either:
1-6 T-Bol 60 mg/day
1-6 Proviron 75 mg/day
or
1-8 Anavar 80 mg/day
1-8 Proviron 75 mg/day

 

[dylangemelli]

I don't think the 2 orals are that big of deal. Just make sure you are taking plenty of support for your liver both on cycle and in PCT. An alternative to what you have planned would be running proviron in place of one of the orals. So either:
1-6 T-Bol 60 mg/day
1-6 Proviron 75 mg/day
or
1-8 Anavar 80 mg/day
1-8 Proviron 75 mg/day

its not that its a big deal to stack two orals but it is a big deal when your at 140 mg with two that are that toxic... its an entire different story when your using proviron... so actually, his scenario IS a big deal man...

 

[dylangemelli]

if you want to stack two orals then read this thread with the cycle layout provided... this will be an excellent option for you...

6 week oral cycle - Evolutionary.org

 

[Reps For Jesus]

I fall in the category of guys that think the liver toxicity of orals is greatly exaggerated.. but still something you have to take into consideration. There have been plenty of people that have used TBol, and Anavar at the same time.. enough I would say to consider it a normal oral stack. And the doses do not differ much from what he is looking to run. 6 weeks of a cycle like this is not going to kill him or cause irreversible liver damage.

 

[dylangemelli]

I fall in the category of guys that think the liver toxicity of orals is greatly exaggerated.. but still something you have to take into consideration. There have been plenty of people that have used TBol, and Anavar at the same time.. enough I would say to consider it a normal oral stack. And the doses do not differ much from what he is looking to run. 6 weeks of a cycle like this is not going to kill him or cause irreversible liver damage.

if you prefer to be more wreckless and not take precaution with toxicity then that's fine and well but we don't give that kind of advice here... we actually look out for well being and protection... messing with blood pressure and lipids on top of your liver and the many other possibly scenarios is not something to take lightly in any way... there is no need to go insane on doses... i run things high but not to where this kind of damage is going to occur...

 

[Ed101]

If dosages are high Would it be okay if i cut the anavar to 75mg or 50? With the tbol at 40mg?

 

[Reps For Jesus]

there is nothing wreckless about what I am saying.. I think that liver toxicity is greatly exaggerated but it is still important to protect yourself. Not complicated.

 

[dylangemelli]

there is nothing wreckless about what I am saying.. I think that liver toxicity is greatly exaggerated but it is still important to protect yourself. Not complicated.

like i said, its not just about liver toxicity... that's a small fraction of the other problems that can occur... what about blood pressure? what about lipids? cholesterol? pumps? headaches? what about everything else?

 

[dylangemelli]

If dosages are high Would it be okay if i cut the anavar to 75mg or 50? With the tbol at 40mg?

you could go 50 anavar 40 tbol...

 

[Reps For Jesus]

Look up the past reviews of people that have ran a cycle like this.. with dosages higher than what he wants to run. I do believe I said.. "protect yourself" which applies to more than just your liver.

 

[Ed101]

Thanks guys!! Advice greatly appreciated!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

I fall in the category of guys that think the liver toxicity of orals is greatly exaggerated.. but still something you have to take into consideration. There have been plenty of people that have used TBol, and Anavar at the same time.. enough I would say to consider it a normal oral stack. And the doses do not differ much from what he is looking to run. 6 weeks of a cycle like this is not going to kill him or cause irreversible liver damage.

Wrong thinking. Don't give rationalizing as advice.

 

[iJohnDoe]

Look up the past reviews of people that have ran a cycle like this.. with dosages higher than what he wants to run. I do believe I said.. "protect yourself" which applies to more than just your liver.

Agreed.

I've read posts on EliteFitness that have recommended a tbol and anavar stack. A few Helladrol(tbol) (75mg -100mg) and Anavar (75mg) stacks too.

I think the body and liver will be fine as long as n2guard, fish oils, and plenty of water are used.

 

[dylangemelli]

Agreed.

I've read posts on EliteFitness that have recommended a tbol and anavar stack. A few Helladrol(tbol) (75mg -100mg) and Anavar (75mg) stacks too.

I think the body and liver will be fine as long as n2guard, fish oils, and plenty of water are used.

that doesn't make it right...

 

[Ed101]

Hey guys thanks for all the help. Have ironed out the Cycle and was hoping for some input.

Week 1- 2:
Cel Cycle Assist
liv 52

Week 3-8:
Liv52
Cel Cycle Assist
Hcgenerate
Anavar 50mg
Stanazol 50mg
Creatine
gw-501516(cardarine) 10mg then increase to 15-20mg

Week 9-12
Hcgenerate(optional)
CelCycle Assist
PF Post Cycle Therapy and Unleashed
Forma Stanzol
Mk2866 ostarine -25mg 4 weeks
Daa

Should i run hcgenerate during pct? Or only during cycle? Have been reading mixed reviews