shootfight vs muay thai

[SweOldSchool]

thinking of going form bb to shootfight or muay thai.. just wanted to see if anybody has an opinion on which to recomend? or any other art? I want the hardest and most effective (praktical).. I'm 20 yo 5'7 and been training bb for 3years.. I'm no stranger to gear.. never been involved in any material arts before.. I don't like the stupid things the karate guys are doing just intressted in good fight..

 

[Silent Method]

Best advice, just dig in. Pros and cons to both. Kuk Sool is pretty cool, it's very practical yet sneaky as hell , without being too technical. It covers groundfighting, grappling, boxing, kicking - all aspects of fighting.

 

[Shaolin Monk]

Just visit your local Dojangs(martial art schools). Find the most hardcore one with the most hardcore instuctors. Most you will find are full of little kids! However, if you search you will find an adult oriented, hardcore place to train. As far as, what style to join well, it all depends on you. Do you consider yourself to be a grappler or striker by nature? I myself am a striker. It's best to cross train and mix it all up. I think grappling is practical, effective but, boring to watch and, does not help against multiple attackers. So, you see it's up to you...Get in where you fit in!

 

[MuscularWarrier]

Hey bro,

Thanks for posting this intresting thread. Let me tell you one thing, and that one thing is that there is just ONE word you need to know if you want to stop being a pussy and want to kick ass - and that is Jeet Kune Do.

You surely have no reson to except what I am writing as the truth however I can tell you that I am not selling you a martial arts course but Ive been doing JKD as we know it for over 18 months and I can tell you that its is the most single effective fighting tool for mankind.

Approx 3 months ago in fact I was in downtown Phily just minding mine own business as I was going to school when I was suddenly accosted by a gang of faggots. You may not now this but male rape on the streets of Phily is rampant and when these five faggots surroundend me I could see from the filthy look of lust in there eyes that they were only after one thing.

Unluckly for them I wasnt about to let them have it.

Basically I got my baseball bat out and gave them a severe beating that they will never forget. Yeah sure I took a few blows myself - becase unlike in the movieies no real fight is a 100% clean battle. Street fighting is dirty and you dont get a warning. But in the end I prevailed I beleve because of my superior muscle and JKD. It was after that incident that I came to be known as the Muscular Warrior at my JKD centre.

I know several good JKD tutors in South Phily if you intrested, just PM me.

Muscular Warrior

 

[The Almighty]

But in the end I prevailed I beleve because of my superior muscle and JKD. It was after that incident that I came to be known as the Muscular Warrior at my JKD centre.

LOL 17 years old, 5'11, and 155 pounds. "Muscular" Warrior indeed.

 

[Realgains]

It is good to cross train but ground fighting has clearly proven itself to be superior if you had to choose one or the other. It is very easy to get a striker to the ground and you don't even need to take a blow. Once they are on the ground(where all streets fights go anyway) then their striking skills are not helpful. The only really effetive thing they can do is eye gouge, groin rip or bite but a grappler isn't likely to allow this to happen and besides anyone can do that.

Bottom line......unless a striker knows how to ground fight he is toast....unless he gets in an early direct blow. But the grappler just stands out of range and then shoots for the legs from outside even the kicking range. The striker is down so fast that he doesn't know what hit him.

I boxed and kick boxed for many years and I can tell you that ground fighting is superior...I have learned the hard way. he he he

The samller you are the more important ground fighting is too.


RG

 

[bighead]

Imo if your going to do one martial art and just one martial art then do shootfighting or do brazilian jiu jitsiu if you can find a good school.

Thai is good aswell but you have to crosstrain.

 

[tbro]

you need to learn the true art of grappling because almost every fight gets to the ground at some point....a must

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Well you know what they say about opinons...IMO Krav Maga, the offical H2H for of the Israeli (and now FBI, DEA, many law enforcement, and SpecOps groups) is the baddest of the bad.

As a fundenmental, it teaches engaging multiple assailants, improvised weapons, use of firearms and knives at advanced levels. In addition, it was developed with the intent of demobilizing or killing your opponent by hand. None of this candy-coated kata crap. It is a mix of Russian and Brazilian Samba (spelling?), Akito, Jiu Jitsu, and some other practical stuff.

NO fight is clean. I have had my ass kicked by guys half my size and have hospitalized multiple opponents twice my size. It all boils down to instinct, reaction, ability to issue sudden incapacitating violence, and determining within a nanosecond who is going to win the fight.

If its in a bar, chance are you aren't fighting for your life. If it's on the street, you are. You absolutely must kill your assailant without remorse. If you are constitutionally incabable of digesting the idea of killing someone with your hand, a fork, a pencil, a bottle, etc. - then the art may bot be for you.

They are some what limited in places of learning in the states, but now include DC, NY, Philly, LA and a few other places. I think www.kravmaga.com is the official web site.

CF

 

[me2dammit]

hey

I know one thing. When you watch alot of martial artisits when they get "tagged" one good time most that shit goes out the window.

I trained with a guy who also trained special forces, he is second generation and basically told me that all that fancy shit is useless. People are just taught to go for the weak spots(eyes,ears,groins, soft tissue) and shown basic defense moves. No fancy shit with 40lbs of gear on your back. Use anything you can for a weapon. No such thing as a fair fight.

No shoalin magic or parlor tricks. Yeah working on your kicks and punches will make you more effective, but realize there is a HUGE difference between a streetfight and competition.

You might try some of that submission stuff on the street and get a hunk of flesh bit out and then get your ass whopped. Unless you are a big, strong dude OR got the technique down 100%, sometimes that grappling shit could get you killed.

Thai is excellent for stand up fighting, but I also advise just practising by yourself on one of those dummies and getting to reconize the vital areas to strike, you can't really practice the deadly strikes on opponents, but you should practise them so they are second nature and in a deadly confontation you know off rip, hit the eyes, hit the groin. Shit you don't do in comp.

That 3 stooges eye poke is one lethal move.

Remember we are weak ass creatures(compared to other animals walking around) and the only thing that gave us a chance to survive is our brain. Mix up both styles and also train your mind for street survival.

Hopefully your bodybuilding has paid off. People don't get in line to fuck with big dudes they just say "whats up big man" I love it.

Ive had ladies tell me some of there male friends that seen me say "thats a big muthafucka I wouldn't fuck with him"! They don't know if I can fight for adam(although I can).

Point is keep the size also for a deterent.

 

[Silent Method]

Clusterfoxtrot, put me on the record as having said Israeli H2H training is among the badest of the bad!

Realgains, as a trained wrestler (and, in the past, ocasional real world street fighter) let me be the first to admit that ground fighting is paramount to any true fighter. (Almost 100% of real world fights go to the ground in well under 30 seconds.) However, keep in mind that a trained boxer, one who can really hit, can lay most any man out with one strike. If I can end a fight without going to the ground thats my first option. The question is, of course, is that boxer proficient enough to land that strike at the very start of aggression. If, in a fight, he so choses to box, a good boxer familiar with ground fighting tactics may have a better chance winning an altercation than a ground fighter with no familiarity of boxing tactics who choses to grapple with that proficent boxer. This is of course assuming 'dojo" or "ring" conditions. Bottom line, a superior fighter will be well versed in more than ground fighting - but a fighter not versed in ground fighting will never be a superior fighter.

MuscularWarrier, what movie was that?

 

[MuscularWarrier]

Silent Method bro,

Seems to me like you can talk the talk but cant walk the walk.

Where are you get this statistic about ground fighting anyway?

I reckon you been watching too much WWF dude!

ROFL

Muscular Warrior

(Almost 100% of real world fights go to the ground in well under 30 seconds.)

MuscularWarrier, what movie was that?

 

[nhbgorilla]

u better have some damn good takedown D if you think youre gonna stay on your feet longer than 30 seconds against an elite grappler. No movie, real life my friend. as for advice on how to be the best possible fighter, either find a place that teaches NHB. or do what I do, find 1 place for muy thai/boxing/kickboxing, and one place for grappling, preferably one that involves wrestling and no gi stuff.

 

[creep]

Muscular Warrior,

Where do you train? City and Dojo? I'm willing to bet my 11 year old son could kick your ass.

As for Jeet Kune Do, your not Bruce Lee. And while Bruce Lee was great actor he would not last 5 mins in the ring with todays fighters. What would you do if someone took you to the floor. Call time-out and ask to get up? Grappling, ground fighting is 80% of a REAL fight.

 

[nolin]

Uh, sorry to disagree

Muscular Warrior,

Where do you train? City and Dojo? I'm willing to bet my 11 year son could kick your ass.

As for Jeet Kune Do, your not Bruce Lee. And while Bruce Lee was great actor he would not last 5 mins in the ring with todays fighters. What would you do if someone took you to the floor. Call time-out and ask to get up? Grappling, ground fighting is 80% of a REAL fight.

Sorry bud, Bruce Lee was not just a great actor, he was probably the greatest martial artist in recent history. He changed many things about martial arts, his approach, " The way of the intercepting fist" , is based on not having a set method. If you always fight thinking, " I'll do this, then he'll do that and rehearse it you will be sadly pummelled when someone who does something you don't expect comes along. Here's an example of how religously using a grappling approach could make you lose. In Jeet Kune Do I would wait for you to lunge,as a grappler you will eventually do so, my feet are longer than your arms, the force of your energy moving forward and my foot kicking your knee would shatter your knee cap, now you're on the ground like you wanted but in excruciating pain and immobilized. I would then proceed to bite your nose nearly off and as your eyes swelled shut I would kick you repeatedly in the teticles. This is an approach Bruce himself used. I have used it and it has worked every time, without fail. I think grappling is good to know if you do wind up on the ground,but I would never limit my approach to hoping I wind up on the ground, why not know many techniques and adjusting to the situation?

 

[The Almighty]

Re: Uh, sorry to disagree

Here's an example of how religously using a grappling approach could make you lose. In Jeet Kune Do I would wait for you to lunge,as a grappler you will eventually do so, my feet are longer than your arms, the force of your energy moving forward and my foot kicking your knee would shatter your knee cap, now you're on the ground like you wanted but in excruciating pain and immobilized. I would then proceed to bite your nose nearly off and as your eyes swelled shut I would kick you repeatedly in the teticles. This is an approach Bruce himself used. I have used it and it has worked every time, without fail. I think grappling is good to know if you do wind up on the ground,but I would never limit my approach to hoping I wind up on the ground, why not know many techniques and adjusting to the situation?

Ouch...my balls hurt just reading that.

 

[liquidmuscle]

brazilian jui-jitsu

 

[creep]

Re: Uh, sorry to disagree

If it sounded like I was talking bad about Bruce Lee, sorry . That's not what I met. I have total respect for Bruce Lee and Jeet kune Do. However, There have been numerous Jeet Kune Do "experts" that competed in mixed martial art events like Pride and UFC. All have been defeated early in the fight. Things might have been different if it was actually Bruce Lee in the ring. But we'll never know.

 

[liquidmuscle]

watch the UFC every fight if it lasts over 30 seconds will end up on the ground

 

[me2dammit]

man

First of you can't compare UFC to the street.

On the street your chances in our society(which is boxing) you will fight an untrained "boxer" brawler type.

He closes the distance with punches. A very ineffective way to close the distance against a skilled fighter. A well placed low kick stops them everytime.

Now try that against a UFC type fighter and you might get taken down.

IMO strenght,speed and power are something of value that are always overlooked.

If you hit hard enough you will knock someone the fuck out. If you are quick enough, you get yours off first.

Bruce lee was a good fighter for his size! Gracie showed a smaller man can be a bigger man if the style is right, but once everyone learned that style they had to get weight classes because there was no way he would survive against the big boys.

They make weight classes for fighter safety. Very few fighters are going to have success against much bigger and stronger oppoonents if the skill level is any where near close.

Most smaller men that I spar with say they weight the big boys out. I just lay my wieight on them and weight them out. LOL
Its really amazing how good of a tool the guard is. Just knowing how to use the guard could save your live and probaly have you win against a streetfighter who has never trained in one. I am about 265 now and have had men 175 hold me off for a few minutes with the guard, but I tend to get the quick, but not nearly as quick as some of the big boys(over 200) that come in and don't know the guard. LOL

I tap them in under 20 seconds. An average streetfighter gives their back so fucking easy, once I lock on they are done.

 

[Silent Method]

MuscularWarrier, "talk the talk?" The only personal claim I made was that I have been in a street fight or two in my time. I concede, I do not have your Jean-Claude Van Damme skills nor your Louisville Slugger.

For all, let me repeat: Bottom line, a superior fighter will be well versed in more than ground fighting - but a fighter not versed in ground fighting will never be a superior fighter.

JKD by the way (as nolin was hinting to) is not so much a style or "method" as it is a philosophy. A damn good one at that. I doubt that a more than a select handfull of people exist who could effectivly "teach" JKD. Its not some well defined series of motorized actions - it's a highly dynamic state of being.

Lastly, guys, this shit ain't cut and dry. No one can say this will work against that "every time." Bullshit - unless your talking about the latest version of Teken for sony playstation.

 

[nolin]

Yessir!

MuscularWarrier, "talk the talk?" The only personal claim I made was that I have been in a street fight or two in my time. I concede, I do not have your Jean-Claude Van Damme skills nor your Louisville Slugger.

For all, let me repeat: Bottom line, a superior fighter will be well versed in more than ground fighting - but a fighter not versed in ground fighting will never be a superior fighter.

JKD by the way (as nolin was hinting to) is not so much a style or "method" as it is a philosophy. A damn good one at that. I doubt that a more than a select handfull of people exist who could effectivly "teach" JKD. Its not some well defined series of motorized actions - it's a highly dynamic state of being.

Lastly, guys, this shit ain't cut and dry. No one can say this will work against that "every time." Bullshit - unless your talking about the latest version of Teken for sony playstation.

Exactly! In fact Bruce use to say to be like water, if you put water in a cup it becomes the cup, if you put it in a kettle it becomes the kettle etc. I think the state of being you refer to is a highly spiritual state. The philosopy of combat Bruce Lee tried to convey was: Learn all the possible methods of fighting, grappling, judo, Gung Fu whatever, and master those skills, when an opponent comes along you won't think about the method, you will merely react and be completely mutable in your defense and/or offense. I think this is a step above mastering a methodolgy and completely defining yourself by it. For example I don't always think I'm going to kick some one in the knee and bite them, in fact the last fight I had at a bar, the guy took a wild swing at close range, I just ducked, grabbed his arm and let the momentum he had created take him 360, then I pushed his face into a wall, round housed the back of his legs and he went down, didn't get up, that was it. I think it's true most street fights end up on the ground, but I prefer it be the opponent going down alone if at all possible. If I were to be taken down my immediate response would be to clutch closely and keep the guy from punching with any force and if possible bite, spit in the eyes whatever. Any way this is getting long, Karma for ya!

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

And just remember, Jean Claude Van Damme had the crap beaten out of him by Chuck Zito in a strip joint in NY/NJ a couple of years ago. If you don't know who Chuck Zito is, he is the big ass Italian guy on OZ (HBO).

 

[bighead]

brazilian jui-jitsu

Amen brotha.

 

[Thaibox]

SweOldSchool,

Anyone that says "X" art is the best can be immediately discredited. Fighting is the only thing I know or am any good at. I've been studying and teaching for about 20 years. You have to find your own bro. When it comes down to it, it is not about the art, it is about the teacher and the student.

THERE IS NO SUPERIOR ART

I know street fighters with very little formal training that have beat the shit out of respected shodans. Its all about heart. Don't go by an art's reputation. With the right student, Tai Chi can be a brutal art.

Don't listen to couch warriors that sit and watch UFCs all day while they sip beer. The octagon is padded and has rules. The street has cement, weapons, multiple oponents, time factors, and unknown variables. Two totally different worlds. To whomever said the gaurd is the most effective D...put me in a closed gaurd on rough concrete and see how long you last.


Anyway, listen to everyone, but don't take anyone's word as gospel. Find a dojo that will build on your natural abilities. There are lots of good NHB dojos that will teach you nearly anything.

Good luck



muscularwarrior, you're funny dude

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Cross training is the way to go.I started off as an amateur boxer and stand-up stylist for many years,then later on switched to BJJ.The complete fighter is skilled in ALL ranges(Long,mid,close,grappling,ground) of combat,not just one or two.

 

[creep]

THERE IS NO SUPERIOR ART

I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[MuscularWarrier]

ROFL

Its funny to see all these so called excerpts on martial arts coming out of the wood-work whove got no real-word experiece of the brutal art of street-fighting.

When I hear someone say, "he swung at me and I ducked" I know they is talking BS. Man even Lennox Lewis cant duck punches in a full fight and his got lightening reactions. What chance has the average Joe got no matter how well trained he is - no chance pal. Thats why anyone who says "I ducked" is BS'ing.

Also tell me what these so called "ground excperts" would do if someone came at them with a baseball bat? Would the fall down and lie on the ground and wait down there! ROFLMAO.

Jeet Kune Do is the true Martial Art - the rest is BS.

Muscular Warrior

 

[The Almighty]

ROFL

Its funny to see all these so called excerpts on martial arts coming out of the wood-work whove got no real-word experiece of the brutal art of street-fighting.

When I hear someone say, "he swung at me and I ducked" I know they is talking BS. Man even Lennox Lewis cant duck punches in a full fight and his got lightening reactions. What chance has the average Joe got no matter how well trained he is - no chance pal. Thats why anyone who says "I ducked" is BS'ing.

Also tell me what these so called "ground excperts" would do if someone came at them with a baseball bat? Would the fall down and lie on the ground and wait down there! ROFLMAO.

Jeet Kune Do is the true Martial Art - the rest is BS.

Muscular Warrior

http://www.m-w.com/

 

[Arias]

I have trained in Muay Thai, Shoto Kahn Karate, and Braz. Jujitsu. All of these styles have their pluses and minuses. The point is to learn as much as possible and use what you have learned to your advantage. There is no superior type of fighting technique, it all depends on the individual and how he utilizes his skills. There is no tougher opponent than one with a cause. Try to fight someone as if your life was on the line. You will tap into a power source you never knew you had, remember, its not fear, it has to be a controlled power. BTW, JKD is a combination of many different fighting styles. Peace Out!

Arias

 

[MicrobioAM]

i would look into kenpo. its a very effective art with modern application. im a black belt in tang soo do and tae kwon do but kenpo IMO is superior to those 2.

 

[creep]

Hey Kid,

You have a lot to learn (about everything). When you make comments like the ones you so often make; Your ignorance is put on display. JKD is not superior nor is any other art form. Any REAL martial artist would know this.

Also tell me what these so called "ground excperts" would do if someone came at them with a baseball bat? Would the fall down and lie on the ground and wait down there! ROFLMAO.

I promise you, if you came at me with a bat I would take it away from you and show it up your ass.

Again I ask you, only because you claim to be an expert on the subject. Where do you train? City and Dojo?

 

[creep]

Oh and a book you bought at Barnes and Nobles doesn't count.

 

[Silent Method]

Originally posted by MuscularWarrier
When I hear someone say, "he swung at me and I ducked" I know they is talking BS. Man even Lennox Lewis cant duck punches in a full fight and his got lightening reactions.

Uh, its called slipping a punch. It's newbie 101 for any boxer. You think Lewis gets hit with every punch aimed at his face? Have you ever watched a boxing match? Dude, you obviously have an interest in fighting - why don't you find a good school and learn what its all about?

 

[riskybizz007]

Well you know what they say about opinons...IMO Krav Maga, the offical H2H for of the Israeli (and now FBI, DEA, many law enforcement, and SpecOps groups) is the baddest of the bad.

They are some what limited in places of learning in the states, but now include DC, NY, Philly, LA and a few other places. I think www.kravmaga.com is the official web site.

CF

Heard the same about Krav Maga... I have friends and family in all kinds of Martial Arts... I think this is the baddest of them all by far.

 

[SweOldSchool]

thanks for all the post bros.. thaibox I agree with you but "THERE IS NO SUPERIOR ART" isn't compleatly correct is it? I mean as you say it's up to you (and your trainer) how good you'll get, as in bb you gotta take full responsibility for your results.. but there are quite big difference between some arts and some gotta be more effectiv for YOU to practice if you want to be as good "fighter" as one can be..?

 

[bighead]

ROFL

Its funny to see all these so called excerpts on martial arts coming out of the wood-work whove got no real-word experiece of the brutal art of street-fighting.

When I hear someone say, "he swung at me and I ducked" I know they is talking BS. Man even Lennox Lewis cant duck punches in a full fight and his got lightening reactions. What chance has the average Joe got no matter how well trained he is - no chance pal. Thats why anyone who says "I ducked" is BS'ing.

Also tell me what these so called "ground excperts" would do if someone came at them with a baseball bat? Would the fall down and lie on the ground and wait down there! ROFLMAO.

Jeet Kune Do is the true Martial Art - the rest is BS.

Muscular Warrior

Amaf is that you?

 

[Thaibox]

Like silent methid said, its called "slipping".....

And guess what, since slipping is one of the first things taught in JKD, I wonder why you didn't know that.

I think you may be onto something bighead

 

[nolin]

No BS

ROFL

Its funny to see all these so called excerpts on martial arts coming out of the wood-work whove got no real-word experiece of the brutal art of street-fighting.

When I hear someone say, "he swung at me and I ducked" I know they is talking BS. Man even Lennox Lewis cant duck punches in a full fight and his got lightening reactions. What chance has the average Joe got no matter how well trained he is - no chance pal. Thats why anyone who says "I ducked" is BS'ing.

Also tell me what these so called "ground excperts" would do if someone came at them with a baseball bat? Would the fall down and lie on the ground and wait down there! ROFLMAO.

Jeet Kune Do is the true Martial Art - the rest is BS.

Muscular Warrior

Well, I hate to have defend my comment, but I will. I'm the one who said I ducked at it's not BS. In fact the guy who swung at me was drunk and telegraphed the blow for what seemd like a week. If you don't think some one can duck a punch from a slow as drunk you're a fucking idiot. If you want to say I'm full of shit do so by replying to my quote not underhandedly commenting on what I said as If I'm anonomous. That's all I have to say besides fuck off.

P.S. you're right about Jeet Kune Do.....fuck face

 

[Stomper1]

They are all good

As a few guys who know what they are talking about already said: all the arts are good.

It all comes down to dedication and training. You put your time into mastering any of the martial arts and you will be better prepared than the great majority of the general public for any physical altercation that may arise.

Saying one martial art is better than another is just stupid. If that was the case then "Guy that knows martial art X" would always win UFC. That doesn't happen, different guys have won with different styles. The ones who usually fare the best are those that know more than one (one striking and one grappling discipline for example). Then they are comfortable both on the ground or slugging it out.

 

[B182]

There are a lot of accurate posts here by some knowledgable guys, but also a lot of people here are talking out of their asses mixing in some garbage, here's some corrections:


"Imo if your going to do one martial art and just one martial art then do shootfighting or do brazilian jiu jitsiu if you can find a good school. "

Shootfighting isn't a style, it's a trademarked name by bart vale, but a few americans have butchered it up into meaning something it's not.

"Let me tell you one thing, and that one thing is that there is just ONE word you need to know if you want to stop being a pussy and want to kick ass - and that is Jeet Kune Do."

JKD is a PHILOSOPHY, not an art! It can be applied to any art!


"It is good to cross train but ground fighting has clearly proven itself to be superior if you had to choose one or the other. It is very easy to get a striker to the ground and you don't even need to take a blow. Once they are on the ground(where all streets fights go anyway)"

You're making it out to be more simple than it is. Tell that to Igor Vovchanchyn, Bas Rutten, Chuck Lidell to name a few. It might be more appropriate to say it is more consistent in a one on one sanctioned environment, but to say it's clearly better is preposterous. Not a single upper level competitor would agree with what you're saying, both are very important. Also, the "all streetfights end up on the ground" is a marketing hype BS created by the Gracies. While many do end up on the ground, not all do- that is exaggeration. You are also assuming everyone on the street is a trained striker. Get a top level striker and a top level grappler, and they will have equal ass kicking ability against the average streetfigher, you're acting as if everyone out there is trained.

"It is a mix of Russian and Brazilian Samba (spelling?), Akito, Jiu Jitsu, and some other practical stuff. "

Samba is a brazilian dance. Sambo/Sambo are similar distinct competition grappling styles native to russia- they do not exist in brazil. Jiujitsu is the brazilian way to spell jujitsu- ever since the gracies came to america, now everone tries to spell it the brazilian way. Why stop there, why dont you start spelling Brasil with an s then as well.

"but a fighter not versed in ground fighting will never be a superior fighter. " Training is only half the ball game. Some people will never make good fighters. Joe Moreira, Amaury Bittetti, and Saulo Ribeiro come to mind. (all BJJ blackbelts, 2 mult. time world champions)

Bottom line is that there are some styles that may be more consistent, but it's really the fighter himself that makes it work. Find something you like that has had successful proponents, and train realistically. What do the 4 most successful styles (wrestling, bjj, boxing, jj) in MMA have in common? They all train realistically. Almost any art will be effective if you TRAIN REALISTICALLY. This means have lots of free sparring, don't have rules assuming your partner can or cannot do this or that or will follow a coreographed plan. Hit hard and hit for real, and know how to deal with it when you get hit. Its awhole different ballpark than sitting in the dojo following coreographed balet .

 

[bighead]

It's nice to be told that you are talking out of your ass every now and again.

The guys original question was which should I do,thai or shootfighting he wanted to be recommeneded one.I said if he was looking for one and only one then imo he should do shootfighting,this statement implies that he doesn't have the time to do a second or a third martial art also.He never said that he was willing to do a broad spectrum of martial arts, I then further suggested that he should do bjj which would be my personal preference if I were to do one and only one martial art.Thai would be my second.


As for talking out of my ass,thanks for the compliment.I started training when i was 6 years old and did tkd for 16 years,did thai for 5,boxed for 6,and now I've being doing bjj since 98.I don't pretend to be an expert at any of these by any means
btw but neither do I believe that i'm talking out of my ass.
Out of all i've done bjj suits me best for my needs,I've bounced since I was 17 and I find it more practical for me and what I do.
Is bjj the ultimate martial art?...definitely not,but it is one of the better ones.

If he wanted to be a complete fighter then
I would suggest doing wrestling/judo/bjj+thai-boxing/boxing/vale tudo,the unfortunate thing about all of this is that he may not have time to train in all these various styles.If someone wants to train just 3 nights a week then doing all
this is going to be very difficult since they probably have a life to lead and are'nt pro-fighters,and since they're on this forum they are most likely body builders aswell which also takes time.

Again his question was,do thai or shootfighting?
The short answer to this I gave as shootfighting.

I didn't give a 500 word reason as to why i believed
he should do shootfighting so I must be talking out of my ass.

 

[SweOldSchool]

I have one more question.. I don't fear broken nosebone, eyebrows, ribs or other bones but I really don't think it would be much fun to get paralyzed or any other permanent injurice like that.. but that doesn't happen too often, does it?

 

[Thaibox]

Not something to worry about in the dojo. Any responsible instructor will provide an environment that will protect his beginner students from any serious harm. Worst thing to worry about(in my opinion) is closed head injuries(a particular region of your brain gets damaged bouncing around in your skull). But, this is pretty rare. You'd be amazed at how much punishment the human body can take, and fully recover.

 

[LewdTenant]

If you are sparring you are hopefully working on improving one your weaknesses not trying to kick your sparring partners ass. But of course if you land a good blow on him or he lands a good blow on you and you are not being monitored things can get dangerous.

I had an idiot bring his GF in to watch him spar and he tried to show off. Having her in the gym was so stupid. Anyway I remember landing some super solid uppercuts then clinched, told him to slow down, and he got the idea.

I have only boxed and I'm looking into JKD but have read there are no 'real instructors" (students of Bruce Lee). So now I'm looking into BJJ and muay thai.

 

[LewdTenant]

most times when I slipped a punch I was moving closer to my opponet who though he had a clean shot which I anticipated,slipped,counter with hook to head,hook to body, and then an uppercut or cross. My favorite move and looks beautiful.

Lewd