SHGB: products, compounds, and thoeries?

[Burpees]

looking for more info on shgb.. i would like to have as much free T as possible.

Nelson has a product Unleashed, I think the Primordial guys do too.. Any others out there? Who's used what, what has been your results?

How do you even know if your levels are elevated and effecting your gains?

 

[Burpees]

I'm already taking 0.5ml of Arimidex EOD and 0.25ml of Arimidex EOD. So it's one day at 0.5, and the next at 0.25 then the following back to 0.5ml so on and so forth..

 

[eddymerckx]

looking for more info on shgb.. i would like to have as much free T as possible.

Nelson has a product Unleashed, I think the Primordial guys do too.. Any others out there? Who's used what, what has been your results?

How do you even know if your levels are elevated and effecting your gains?

huge question bro--i do know that Nelson's products and PP have many bros that swear by them. the theories---yikes, even i can't type that much. use your plat search and you may find a good thread where it has been discussed.

 

[Ross]

Primordial products are always good.

I suggest using www.AndroGenerator.com

 

[eddymerckx]

Primordial products are always good.

I suggest using www.AndroGenerator.com

yes, i should have mentioned that one also--all good

 

[sensational]

I wrote a thread on it a month ago or so. Proviron is great, as is oral winstrol at .2mg/kg of bodyweight.

All aas will decrease SHBG a little bit, but oral winny decreases SHBG by a signifigant amount (50% ish if I remember right). And we all know proviron will bind very readily to SHBG.

I am on 500mg Test E, 400mg EQ, 50mg Proviron, 30mg winny ED and growing like a weed and not really trying all that much.

 

[needtogetaas]

Primordial products are always good.

I suggest using www.AndroGenerator.com

What products do you have that lower shgb and how. Please save the study thing you keep throwing up. Just tell me what and how. I trust you enough not to bullshit me any way as I know my shit for the most part

 

[aquatic_glories]

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[Ross]

What products do you have that lower shgb and how. Please save the study thing you keep throwing up. Just tell me what and how. I trust you enough not to bullshit me any way as I know my shit for the most part

AndroGenerator contains the PATENTED *LJ100, the only standardized Eurycoma Longifolia extract in the world, containing at least 22% Eurypeptides and 40% Glycosapins.

LJ100 binds to SHBG, just like Proviron(and almost to the same degree), thereby causing drastic increases in FREE Testosterone.

You can check out the anabolic study on L100 here: http://www.source-1-global.com/pdfs/LJ100-Clinical-Studies.pdf

 

[needtogetaas]

AndroGenerator contains the PATENTED *LJ100, the only standardized Eurycoma Longifolia extract in the world, containing at least 22% Eurypeptides and 40% Glycosapins.

LJ100 binds to SHBG, just like Proviron(and almost to the same degree), thereby causing drastic increases in FREE Testosterone.

You can check out the anabolic study on L100 here: http://www.source-1-global.com/pdfs/LJ100-Clinical-Studies.pdf

Ok thats what I was looking for.

 

[needtogetaas]

3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran

 

[halfcenturian]

Found this little write up on SHBG. It appears that high androgens lower it, and Estrogen and T4 raise it! That's a new one on me. I think it's really the right balance that they are discussing. submitted for your review:

Sex hormone binding globulin
Sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) is a glycoprotein that binds to sex hormones, specifically testosterone and estradiol. Other steroid hormones such as progesterone, cortisol, and other corticosteroids are bound by transcortin. Transport of sex hormonesThese sex hormones circulate in the bloodstream, bound mostly to SHBG and to some degree bound to serum albumin. Only a small fraction is unbound, or "free," and thus biologically active and able to enter a cell and activate its receptor. The SHBG inhibits the function of these hormones. Thus bioavailability of sex hormones is influenced by the level of SHBG. SHBG productionSHBG is produced by the liver cells and is released into the bloodstream. Other sites that produce SHBG are the brain, uterus, and placenta and vagina. In addition SHBG is produced by the testes; testes-produced SHBG is also called androgen-binding protein. The gene for SHBG is located on chromosome 17. ControlSHBG levels appear to be controlled by a delicate balance of enhancing and inhibiting factors. Its level is decreased by high levels of insulin and insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I). Also, high androgen levels decrease SHBG, while high estrogen and thyroxine levels increase it. Conditions with high or low levelsConditions with low SHBG include polycystic ovary syndrome, diabetes, and hypothyroidism. Conditions with high SHBG include pregnancy, hyperthyroidism, and anorexia nervosa. There has recently been research to link high SHBG levels with breast and testicular cancer as well. Measurement of sex hormonesWhen determining levels of circulating estradiol or testosterone, either a total measurement could be done that includes the "free" and the bound fractions, or only the "free" hormone could be measured. A free androgen index expresses the ratio of testosterone to the sex hormone binding globulin and can be used to summarise the activity of free testosterone. See alsoAndrogen binding protein References1. ^ Grishkovskaya I, Avvakumov GV, Sklenar G, Dales D, Hammond GL, Muller YA (2000). "Crystal structure of human sex hormone-binding globulin: steroid transport by a laminin G-like domain". EMBO J 19 (4): 504–12. DOI:10.1093/emboj/19.4.504|. PMID 10675319.

 

[Wulfgar]

Long Jack for sure

Winny too
Insulin is a major SHBG inhibitor if you are into that sort of thing
Ive found 4-hydroxyisolecine works pretty well too

 

[Burpees]

Damn, this thread just gained a wealth of info.. thanks guys.

 

[sundevil04]

divanyl in activate xtreme is good stuff

 

[needtogetaas]

divanyl in activate xtreme is good stuff

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/8353740-post11.html

 

[Nelson Montana]

Before everyone gets too excited, let's set the record straight on a couple of things.

#1: First of all, there's no such thing as a patented herbal formula. The only thing that can be patented is the name.

#2: Divanyl and 3, 4 Divanytetehhydrofurum is just nettles. It's in UNLEASHED but at only 100 mgs. Why? Because although some lowers SHBG, too much lowers DHT and that's not good.

#3:If you want Nettles you can get the standardized extract through Vitamin Shoppe for about 5 bucks a bottle.

#4: The ingredients in UNLEASHED have been surveyed through blood tests, including my own. There's an average of 25% reduced SHBG -- less in some, more in others.

#5: Longjack has some impressive literature, but it does nothing for me and did nothing to change free T levels in any of the subjects I tested it on. If it did, it'd be in UNLEASHED. Same with Tribulus. It's cheap enough, but it doesn't do much so I opted to put more effectiive ingredients than less.

 

[needtogetaas]

Before everyone gets too excited, let's set the record straight on a couple of things.

#1: First of all, there's no such thing as a patented herbal formula. The only thing that can be patented is the name.

#2: Divanyl and 3, 4 Divanytetehhydrofurum is just nettles. It's in UNLEASHED but at only 100 mgs. Why? Because although some lowers SHBG, too much lowers DHT and that's not good.

#3:If you want Nettles you can get the standardized extract through Vitamin Shoppe for about 5 bucks a bottle.

#4: The ingredients in UNLEASHED have been surveyed through blood tests, including my own. There's an average of 25% reduced SHBG -- less in some, more in others.

#5: Longjack has some impressive literature, but it does nothing for me and did nothing to change free T levels in any of the subjects I tested it on. If it did, it'd be in UNLEASHED. Same with Tribulus. It's cheap enough, but it doesn't do much so I opted to put more effectiive ingredients than less.

There is only about 5% Divanyl / Divanytetehhydrofurum in nettles. Stinging nettle root is not the same thing as Divanyl.


You know that each herb in nature has several extracts, and nettle root is not an exception. It has 4 or 5 extracts that show minimal, marginal, and high affinities for binding to shbg. It just so happens that 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran is the extract with the very highest affinity.

That means if you buy a generic nettle root extract product, you might get several different extracts, many of them not having nearly the effect of divanil. In fact, you could end up with very little 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran at all, depending on how abundant it is.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

To answer the origianl question, I have used PP's Sustain Alpha, Dermacrine, Toco-8 & Endo Amp.

I've also used Nelsons Post Cycle and Unleashed.

I can honestly say that Unleashed worked amazingly well for me. Morning wood every morning, awesome libido. I used it PCT along with the PP stuff and had blood work done about 6 weeks after. Levels were all in check and above average in some areas (only good no bad levels).

I ALWAYS use Unleashed as part of my PCT. It just flat out works for me.

 

[needtogetaas]

To answer the origianl question, I have used PP's Sustain Alpha, Dermacrine, Toco-8 & Endo Amp.

I've also used Nelsons Post Cycle and Unleashed.

I can honestly say that Unleashed worked amazingly well for me. Morning wood every morning, awesome libido. I used it PCT along with the PP stuff and had blood work done about 6 weeks after. Levels were all in check and above average in some areas (only good no bad levels).

I ALWAYS use Unleashed as part of my PCT. It just flat out works for me.

Hell ya they are great products, and they do what they say they will. I also used unleashed and post cycle. Love them both.

 

[Wulfgar]

Dont forget about proviron either guys

 

[needtogetaas]

Dont forget about proviron either guys

During pct faze its not what you want to be taking. during cycle its great though.

 

[skinsfan]

Aromasin at .25 mgs/day lowers SHBG by around 20% I believe. Expensive stuff though. That does will also raise your natural test levels by around 60%.

 

[sensational]

During pct faze its not what you want to be taking. during cycle its great though.

And why not needto? Studies have shown that small doses do not impair the HPTA....

 

[conan1071]

currently using UNLEASHED. The first week recommend one dose in morning and one at night. second week on, one dose. i like doing 2 doses per day, works better for me.

 

[needtogetaas]

And why not needto? Studies have shown that small doses do not impair the HPTA....

It is a steroid I could care less what a few studies show you..Ya maybe it don't impair the HPTA but it sure and hell ain't helping it come back after a cycle ether!!!!!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Proviron is less suppressive an less liver toxic than other steroids, but it still does both. At some point, you have to come off. It increases DHT, which is good but having it elevated for too long is asking for trouble.

Yeah, the split double dose of UNLEASHED really gives the full inpact.

 

[lartinos]

HGH works better than proviron or masteron for me and can be used post cycle.

 

[Nelson Montana]

HGH works better than proviron or masteron for me and can be used post cycle.

But HGH does nothing to correct or improve HPTA or lower SHBG. You may like it,. but it's a separate topic.

 

[Wulfgar]

But HGH does nothing to correct or improve HPTA or lower SHBG. You may like it,. but it's a separate topic.

exactly
as far as peptides insulin is the way to go as a SHBG inhibitor. if you are into that sort of thing

 

[needtogetaas]

I will stick to the safer shit. GH insulin thats what Guardian was fucking with. He died of a enlarged heart. No disrespect to a guy I loved but he taught us all.

 

[Wulfgar]

I will stick to the safer shit. GH insulin thats what Guardian was fucking with. He died of a enlarged heart. No disrespect to a guy I loved but he taught us all.

i personally feel the danger lies in utilizing any of these compounds for extended periods of time.
I really really feel strongly that running any AAS protocol(or GH or slin or whatever) for longer than 6 weeks is asking for trouble

 

[pump1967]

Proviron is less suppressive an less liver toxic than other steroids, but it still does both. At some point, you have to come off. It increases DHT, which is good but having it elevated for too long is asking for trouble.

Yeah, the split double dose of UNLEASHED really gives the full inpact.

how will unleashed work with my hrt at 125mg of test c per week split into two small doses 3.5 days apart?i am considering it to raise free test levels while on hrt but didn't know what impact it would have on it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

how will unleashed work with my hrt at 125mg of test c per week split into two small doses 3.5 days apart?i am considering it to raise free test levels while on hrt but didn't know what impact it would have on it.

UNLEASHED is a PERFECT adjunct for HRT and s being used successfully by lots of guys, myself included.

As we age, the ability to convert T to FREE T becomes lessened. So even though you may be taking 100 mgs of T a week, you won't be getting the most out of it. UNLEASHED will help in that regard and may also keep natural T elevated as well.

 

[pump1967]

UNLEASHED is a PERFECT adjunct for HRT and s being used successfully by lots of guys, myself included.

As we age, the ability to convert T to FREE T becomes lessened. So even though you may be taking 100 mgs of T a week, you won't be getting the most out of it. UNLEASHED will help in that regard and may also keep natural T elevated as well.

thanks!