Second Cycle Ideas...

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My first cycle was: Deca@ 300mg/wk week 1-10, with Dbol@ 25mg/day week 1-4 and 10-12. I am really happy with the results. Almost 3 weeks post cycle, and I am still up 20lbs. I was expecting to lose at least 5lbs or so when I came off, but I am still pretty solid. Lost a pound or two coming off the Dbol though.

For my second cycle, which I have scheduled for early June I was thinking about running winny tabs with EQ. I already have the winny tabs, enough for 8 weeks at 50mg/day.

I am wondering how to run this. I seem to hear that running EQ@ less than 400mg/week is kinda pointless, so I was figuring on just doing one 2cc shot a week. As far as the winny, that seems a little more complicated...

I could just go EQ@400mg/wk weeks 1-10, with winny@50mg/wk weeks 1-8.
That gives me something to work with while the EQ is taking its time kicking in, but then, timing my PCT gets kinda funny. Or I could just bring the winny in at week five and run it till its gone.

I am also kickign around the idea of splitting up the winny. Something like winny weeks 1-5, 10-13.

It seems like this is turning into me having to choose between a kick start or an easily timed PCT.

Any help is appreciated.

 

[jubei]

I would always want to run some test, even at a low dose (200mg/week) Run the winstrol near the end of your cycle, and end the eq 2 weeks before the winny. This is what I would do for cycle number 2:

Week 1-11: Test Prop 50mg eod
or
Week 1-10: Test enth/cyp: 200mg/week
Week 1 Eq: 800mg/week
Week 2-9 Eq: 400mg/week
Week 4-12 Winstrol: 50mg ed

 

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Jubei-- Thanks, I was considering running a low level test with this like enth/cyp, but the only test my guy carries is Sust250, and I am really not looking to get into something like that just yet. I was hoping to save test for my third cycle.

Still, it is a thought...

 

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bump

 

[jubei]

Sust functions essentially the same as cyp or enth.

 

[heregothere]

i'm going against the prevailing sentiment on the board regarding test and would suggest that you run this cycle:

Weeks 1-12: EQ 400mg/wk (or more if you can afford it)
Weeks 11-15: Winstrol 50mg/day
Weeks 15-18: PCT

 

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Anybody have anything to say about having to choose between kick starting with orals and running orals past injectables to time PCT right?

 

[GoldenDelicious]

how about, just for a laugh, you repeat the cycle that gave you 20lbs of gains

 

[jubei]

^^props for that post. I would up the dosage by probably 50 percent which, if you did a normal first cycle should still keep you well under a gram a week. Anything over 750mg/week for a second cycle is a waste IMHO.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

dont even up the dose, i mean, if you 'only gain' 10-12 this time, is that a bad thing?

fancy gaining 20lbs then looking for something else lol

 

[wutangnomo]

That's a good point Golden. I always see people post their exceptional results, so why not stick with what gave you those results next time around? As the saying goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

 

[wnt2bBeast]

how about, just for a laugh, you repeat the cycle that gave you 20lbs of gains

If it aint broke dont fix it!!!!!!!!!

 

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how about, just for a laugh, you repeat the cycle that gave you 20lbs of gains

Don't think I haven't thunk it.

The thing is, a couple of those pounds were fat, and I would like to do a cutter before I jump back on another bulker. Also, it wasn't just the cycle -- I ate everything. I even set a second alarm clock so I could wake up in the middle of my sleep to down some NLarge2. I understand that it is diet and training that make a cycle a cutter or a bulker, but I respond VERY strongly to Dbol. It puts my appetite through the roof, and while I hear that EQ may do the same, I would rather run something that is more conducive to cutting. Also, on Dbol, sometimes I get hit with really bad drowsiness (No they weren't valium) and I just really think winny is the way to go from what I have heard.

Maybe winny with Deca?

Or a Dbol Kickstart?

I am not sure, I have a few months to decide, and I want to really explore my options.

 

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One final bump for some advice...

 

[GoldenDelicious]

same cycle different diet (hypothetically speaking, of course)

a cycle that exerts that much anabolism will do very well in maintaining mass