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I just dug ups an old post from another bodybuilding board -- one which deals with old school training. It's funny...they have some articles of mine published but yet I was actually BANNED form the site for saying that the old timers used low dosages of gear and the old coots there didn;t want to believe their hereos took steroids! So they banned me! (There's no fool like and old fool).
Anyway, this was a case where some people were giving me some shit about aerobics and the great Serge Nubret chimmed in. (Serve is gone now but he was a true gentleman and one of the all time greats).
Here's the post word for word. Thought some of you might like to see it.
Aerobics are wrothless. Doing ab work as your "cardio" it's the most logical approach to fat burning. I'm used to criticism though. When you go against the grain (as Vince Girronda did) and make people question their current thinking, it's going to meet with some resistance. (It's one reason I avoid posting on boards...even here. There's always someone more anxious to shoot down an opposing idea and defend the one they find most comfortable).
The thing about ab training and fat burning is this: If you're going to do a low level activity to raise heart rate and burn fat, doesn't it make sense that you work a muscle at the same time? The abs are perfectly suited for that type of training. Instead, people jog for hours to burn some calories that are just replaced after they eat. They wind up wasting energy and actually depeleting muscle tissue in the process. Even many of todays pros don't understand this but of course, a lot of these guys never had to struggle and investigate what works best. They just have good genetics and fill the syringe to the top. Aerobics that don't work a muscle are a virtually worthless form of exercise.
This is another problem with HIT. By itself, it simply does not rev the metabolism sufficiently to burn fat. So, in turn, you have to do (inneffective) aerobics. I think it's hilareous when HIT advocates claim that "getting a pump" is worthless, then they go ride a bike that doesn't go anywhere for hours to try and get lean. With a few exceptions (there always are -- in spite of Mentzers "all or nothing" philosophy) HIT has not produced many championship physiques that weren't highly chemically enhanced. Now I don't want this to become another boring HIT conversation. Back to the original point...
The one area where the old timers surpass the current crop of pros is in ab development. Sure, GH and insulin have bloated bellies, but the ab muscle are reletively shallow and require a certain type of training to get muscular, trim and tight.
It's doubtful that too many guys will achieve results remotely similar to Serge, but the "Cardio-weight-training" form of exercise, which he was one of the first to advocate, may be the most well rounded and effective training concept of all. But keep in mind, Serge can tolerate more volume than the average mortal. Even Jack LaLanne, in his 90's, does more volume than most men could tolerate in their 40's. Duplicating someone else's program exactly is not going to produce exact results. But what works well will work well for just about everybody.
NELSON
AFTER READING WHAT YOU WROTE, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD. YOU ARE 100%
RIGHT. THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY IF YOU PERMIT IS THE WAY I TRAIN IS
ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO LOVES BODYBUILDING REALLY FOR ITSELF, NOT FOR
GLORY, OR MONEY AND WHATEVER ELSE. NOW CHAMPIONS STAY IN THE GYM 45 MN
OR LESS. IT REMIND ME SOMETHING, I WENT THE OTHER DAY TO VISIT A
CHICKEN FACTORY, WHERE THESE CHICKENS SHOULD NOT MOVE TO INCREASE
THIERE MASS IN 3 SHORT MONTHS.
NOW I SAID THAT I AM WAITING FOR AVALENCHE OF CRITICISMS TOO BUT I
DON'T CARE, THAT IS THE FACT.
BEST REGARDS
SERGE NUBRET
Anyway, this was a case where some people were giving me some shit about aerobics and the great Serge Nubret chimmed in. (Serve is gone now but he was a true gentleman and one of the all time greats).
Here's the post word for word. Thought some of you might like to see it.
Aerobics are wrothless. Doing ab work as your "cardio" it's the most logical approach to fat burning. I'm used to criticism though. When you go against the grain (as Vince Girronda did) and make people question their current thinking, it's going to meet with some resistance. (It's one reason I avoid posting on boards...even here. There's always someone more anxious to shoot down an opposing idea and defend the one they find most comfortable).
The thing about ab training and fat burning is this: If you're going to do a low level activity to raise heart rate and burn fat, doesn't it make sense that you work a muscle at the same time? The abs are perfectly suited for that type of training. Instead, people jog for hours to burn some calories that are just replaced after they eat. They wind up wasting energy and actually depeleting muscle tissue in the process. Even many of todays pros don't understand this but of course, a lot of these guys never had to struggle and investigate what works best. They just have good genetics and fill the syringe to the top. Aerobics that don't work a muscle are a virtually worthless form of exercise.
This is another problem with HIT. By itself, it simply does not rev the metabolism sufficiently to burn fat. So, in turn, you have to do (inneffective) aerobics. I think it's hilareous when HIT advocates claim that "getting a pump" is worthless, then they go ride a bike that doesn't go anywhere for hours to try and get lean. With a few exceptions (there always are -- in spite of Mentzers "all or nothing" philosophy) HIT has not produced many championship physiques that weren't highly chemically enhanced. Now I don't want this to become another boring HIT conversation. Back to the original point...
The one area where the old timers surpass the current crop of pros is in ab development. Sure, GH and insulin have bloated bellies, but the ab muscle are reletively shallow and require a certain type of training to get muscular, trim and tight.
It's doubtful that too many guys will achieve results remotely similar to Serge, but the "Cardio-weight-training" form of exercise, which he was one of the first to advocate, may be the most well rounded and effective training concept of all. But keep in mind, Serge can tolerate more volume than the average mortal. Even Jack LaLanne, in his 90's, does more volume than most men could tolerate in their 40's. Duplicating someone else's program exactly is not going to produce exact results. But what works well will work well for just about everybody.
NELSON
AFTER READING WHAT YOU WROTE, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD. YOU ARE 100%
RIGHT. THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY IF YOU PERMIT IS THE WAY I TRAIN IS
ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO LOVES BODYBUILDING REALLY FOR ITSELF, NOT FOR
GLORY, OR MONEY AND WHATEVER ELSE. NOW CHAMPIONS STAY IN THE GYM 45 MN
OR LESS. IT REMIND ME SOMETHING, I WENT THE OTHER DAY TO VISIT A
CHICKEN FACTORY, WHERE THESE CHICKENS SHOULD NOT MOVE TO INCREASE
THIERE MASS IN 3 SHORT MONTHS.
NOW I SAID THAT I AM WAITING FOR AVALENCHE OF CRITICISMS TOO BUT I
DON'T CARE, THAT IS THE FACT.
BEST REGARDS
SERGE NUBRET
