RULES of the Board - Clarification, Please

[Dexter]

Yesterday, I felt the subject of attack (not only on-board but in fact, off-board) of a person who was quite abusive in his insinuations, his insults (such as "looser", and the list goes on). The original post was about Akrikhin D-bol on the Counterfeit Discussion Board, to which I replied and, apparently, to the original poster's satisfaction.

To those of Platinum, and to those who read the comments of the person who basically assaulted me on that disgusting thread, I would like to say and ask this:

1. As I understand it, there are RULES of this board, rules to which the owner and moderators use as rather clear guidelines, regarding the conduct of members. Am I correct?

2. Members have been banned, as has the person who, in my view, verbally assaulted my character and reputation, from another board (a good board, one with rules to which the moderators adhere).

3. Are there really RULES on Elite Fitness, or are the "stickies" that Mods occasionally place just a waste of their time and overall worthless contribution to EF? About that question, I am serious.

4. And if there are RULES, and there is serious intention to follow such RULES, then why is the thread on the Counterfeit Board still there, and, I would ask, why is the person who replied to my comments in such a fashion still a member of this board. He has been around, well, as I recall, since not long after I started lurking on EF in 1999. Surely, he must know the RULES by now. Or are the RULES simply selectively applied?

That is, assuming these matters have not been duly dispatched in a professional manner. I have not visited that forum since my last and final comment - but I do indeed recall the comments of the person who, in my view and from what I have read, violated the RULES of this board in a very egregious manner. And I am grateful to those who replied to me directly, who expressed their views on my conduct in light of such unacceptable behavior.

Submitted for your consideration. And your action.

Dexter

 

[vovan]

The person you speak about has gotten an email with threats from you.

quote:
"You do not, you simply do not, know how closely you are being watched.

And you simply do not understand...you have no escape. No amount of money paid to anybody will help."

I've seen that email and I've been threatened too as I understand.

quote:
"Vovan should GET the point...and he should call the telephone numbers he has. Really, he should. And he should be extremely polite and cooperative."

You're trying to force us to cooperate with you. NO WAY! I have a weird feeling about you my old american friend... you , Tamara and FSB (for those who don't know russian FSB is equal to FBI). I don't want to be affiliated with all this shit. You're dishonest, impudent and paranoiac person. Stop your whineing and get this topic off of the board... You're looser for sure... complete looser... In fact insults are the least you deserve for your attitude...

 

[manny78]

wow a source war maybe....... ?

 

[Dexter]

<Sigh>

No, Manny, you might be surprised, but it is not a source war. That is simplicity that I don't think you would state without the evidence -- which will never appear in the light of day.

It is not a war, because there is simply no second place in war. Is there partnership and cooperation? I think so, under certain civilized conditions.

That's why I was invited on personal invitation by a Lieutenant General of the (former) KGB...who cares more about national security issues than gear, as do those who send me occasionally things in a diplomatic pouch, even though I am not CIA.

Pardon my redundancy; I've said this before a few times.

To those comments I made in reply to threatening emails, you took my remarks out of context, Vovan. But I have made no secret as to who I am, or Tamara, nor of our small, specialized, team...it was revealed to you because of your actions -- and your nuisance. And your partner's, well, bad business behavior.

If I made a mistake, that was it. I work in a dark world, a world where paranoia often reveals the truth. But I know my Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory profile (MMPI). I've taken it four f**king times.

Frankly, of the two of you, I have considered you the sane (yet passive) one. In fact, the one with the real brains and innovation. The other one has been officially and professionally diagnosed. He, is, simply an "accident waiting to happen." Am I wrong? Please tell me.
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"You're dishonest, impudent and paranoiac person. Stop your whineing and get this topic off of the board... You're looser for sure... complete looser... In fact insults are the least you deserve for your attitude..."

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To me, Vovan, those are not your comments; they are the mouthpiece of someone else. You are cultured; I know that.

I am indeed impudent...on occasion. And I have always been arrogant. It did get me in trouble on occasion with the Generals, but I was right and they were wrong.

Paranoiac? Coming from you, Vovan, that is a peculiar statement. And a "looser" (the word, by the way, is "loser"), what you have described reflects the basic subject my statements and questions on this thread: CONDUCT OF THIS BOARD.

Whinging? Who is whinging? Or, rather, in American English, "Whining."

I made some rather straightforward statements and questions...and I received a reply from you (and Manny78) I did not expect.

As I said, you took my remarks out of context, because you KNOW whom I am, or should at least know at the bare, stripped-down minimum level...and with whom I deal quietly, oh so very quietly.

Yeah. I like the FSB, in general. I don't associate with them much, but they've always pretty much treated me well...those few who know me. And, yes, I am indeed "watched." Frankly, I am glad, because a multi-departmental Spetnaz team at Kitai Gorod is but a five-minute buzz away. You, know, "Old Square?" Do you have five telephone lines into your apartment? I do (no, sorry, one is for signalization) connected to a private exchange, and that crappy city telephone line.

The rest is so totally intergovernmental that I am merely a "businessman." Have been for a decade. Yet you, who have worked at RAU UES, call me a "looser." And others have mocked. What a joke. That's why I will not even visit that thread, where I gave my comments to a fellow's request for information on Akrikhin D-bol on the Counterfeit Board.

Anyway, nobody at RAU UES or Yukos has called me such a name, on any level. Maybe I don't warrant their attention, but I have this hazy recollection that I have gotten it...in a serious form.

Yes, the "looser." The "paranoiac." Go ahead. Reap the abuse on me. My multi-million dollar company was indeed taken over ruthlessly, although I know practically by heart the Law on Joint Stock Companies. It is, or might be, their trap, because they are now dealing with (having a bit of fun) the corporate code of the "Country" of Seattle, where lies about, oh, 30% of Russia's wealth. Let's exclude the Oligarchs and just stick to the common folk.

What have I called you - not your diagnosed partner? What? Please tell me, and even post it on the board. What insults have I reaped upon you, Vovan? Tell me. Please.

It's also true that I, indirectly, saved Retabolil's ass, actually (the FSB, who could have imprisoned him in two hours), when I could have pushed him into the meat grinder. Why? Because he was (to my partner's annoyance)...too visible for her liking. Tamara, a full Colonel. My partner. [email protected] for months. And because I am NOT a "nark." Unfortunately, like yourself in your real job - or have you quit or been sacked yet? - she makes, sadly, peanuts. Yes, it is disproportionate.

Okay, say what you will about that. It's just all a fact. If you want to openly post the "details," well, that will be YOUR transgression, not mine.

Suffice to say that I am not a "nark." Nor can I, as an operative (shit, I mean businessman), post such information as I know. One reason why I am safe, and will always be safe until I choose to resign...something I have considered, by the way. After so long, things, well, just lose their appeal...like your partner

But then again, there is money sitting in a private Swiss bank account in Geneva - since 1995 - under the name Geotechnology Holdings, that covers such contingencies, should I come to harm. Signatory irrelevant, but, don't worry, it is not Tamara. Get the point?

I doubt it.

I have myself made "transgressions" on this board. And I will make another one: "cop," "Fed," "nark," my "being watched" (in the negative sense) -- all bullshit. Would you consider that normal...or paranoid-type speech?

But THAT is not the subject of this thread. The subject of which I speak are "RULES," ladies and gentlemen. People seem to agree they are needed, and conspicuous.

Conjure whatever emails or selective paragraphs you have considered "threatening" from me, or conjure up whatever stories you can fabricate. Please. It is really all quite irrelevant, even if part of it is selectively factual.

But I submit that, decisively, there is no benefit to doing so.

Think about it. You are capable of it; your partner is not.

Dexter

P.S. Rest assured, I will never again post a message of such type or of such length - whether anybody cares, I don't - on EF anymore. I've said what I said. And if this is not taken seriously, well, I have no "bone to pick" with anyone except those who have threatened and screwed me. And, guess what? You have NO online defense!

Yeah, baby, c'mon.

 

[ryker77]

Uh??? I'd have to read that about 5 more time before I could understand what is being said.

But I do agree that the rules need to be inforced.

 

[Dexter]

Ryker, I am in a very special mood, and contrary to what that assaultive person (or, sadly, I must say persons at this point) might say, I am not "drunk," because I don't drink anymore. Haven't for over a year. Yes, despite the continuing commentary.

You could read that post 10 times and never get the message, for one simple reason: I am not a traitor, either to the U.S. or its allies. It's that simple. There is a singular word for my profession, and you can figure it out.

Ha Ha!

Now, I just got off the phone with a girl who asked, "Would you marry me?" Rich, beautiful, daughter of a semi-oligarch, and I could live a life of peace, security...and when necessary, definite influence.

I said, "Let me think about it!"

Female translation: "No."

Besides the point I had your IP traced...you're okay, Ryker. No hard feelings.

I think it's time for sleep, perhaps after a visit to the finest little exclusive for-fee board, which has been unjustly - and completely ignorantly, given it's content - 'dissed.

So if you wanna call me a loser, go for it, dude. I just got proposed to, and I (in her interpritation) said, "No." We're talking a half-billion dollars of family money. I MUST be crazy! So the little minions I have not squashed, for business reasons, might JUST be right!!!

Dexter

 

[manny78]

No matter what, the rules really need to be enforced. As for your problem, sorry but I still dont understand nothing, might be cause I've been working 3 nights non-stop......

 

[TxLonghorn]

I didn't understand a word of that, but it sounded pretty serious to me.

 

[Dexter]

I just awakened, with this strange since of exilaration! Yes, I awakened too freaking early; so early that my anti-virus was scanning.

Yes, this is definitely a very, very - VERY serious post. It is not in any form a joke or a "threat" to the two I addressed. It is Dexter, in full form (but not in full-dress uniform).

Simply, I have made statements and asked questions regarding the RULES of Elite Fitness. That is the BASIC thesis of this thread.

And (I haven't looked), to those who might read the Counterfeit Board - assuming that disgusting thread wasn't rightfully deleted - you will see the reason why. Hence, the question - once again.

And it lies simply in the behavior of EF members, Platinum or not.

So, what ARE the RELES, and to whom do they apply and under what "conditions" are they either considered "normal" or ignored? Is that clear enough, gentlemen?

To me, at least, the question, basically, is quite clear. Unavoidably clear, in fact. I just looked at the main forum and all the weird newbie posts and whatnot.

The rest (above) is really an internal commentary, really. Sorry to instill any "Hollywood" nature to it...that's just the way it...or will...go, at least in Russia. I have that aspect under close observation and potential, serious control.

I am a mastiff on a leash. I am awaiting my masters' directions.

Dexter

 

[ryker77]

Besides the point I had your IP traced...you're okay, Ryker. No hard feelings.


So if you wanna call me a loser, go for it, dude. I just got proposed to, and I (in her interpritation) said, "No." We're talking a half-billion dollars of family money. I MUST be crazy! So the little minions I have not squashed, for business reasons, might JUST be right!!!

Dexter

I never once called you a loser. All I said was that couldn't make sense of your post. Then you go and trace my IP. Whats up with that? Do you go and research the people who post on the same threads as you do?
You seam like a really smart and powerfull guy. So why are you picking on little old ryker77 from the hills of Georgia?

 

[spentagn]

huh?

 

[Dexter]

Okay, darn it, lemme clarify a point, Brother Ryker, since I was once again pointed over here to a potential misunderstanding. (There was another misunderstanding Tamara clarified beyond a shadow of doubt regarding a remark made about her, but I'm just not going to get into this crap anymore.)

I should never said I had your IP traced. It was done quite awhile ago, from the States, and it did NOT correlate to the person whose IP needed to be traced...and was.

About the challenge to call me a loser...I was sleepy. I was not referring to you in any way, but rather to a couple of guys on whom I have had my last and final word on this board. Of course you never called me a "loser." And like I said, I think you're a good guy. My apologies for that misunderstanding on our part.

Dexter

P.S. I still wish I could find some RULES somewhere.

 

[The Shadow]

Okay, darn it, lemme clarify a point, Brother Ryker, since I was once again pointed over here to a potential misunderstanding. (There was another misunderstanding Tamara clarified beyond a shadow of doubt regarding a remark made about her, but I'm just not going to get into this crap anymore.)

I should never said I had your IP traced. It was done quite awhile ago, from the States, and it did NOT correlate to the person whose IP needed to be traced...and was.

About the challenge to call me a loser...I was sleepy. I was not referring to you in any way, but rather to a couple of guys on whom I have had my last and final word on this board. Of course you never called me a "loser." And like I said, I think you're a good guy. My apologies for that misunderstanding on our part.

Dexter

P.S. I still wish I could find some RULES somewhere.

Dude - log out and click on register - tos is there.

 

[Dexter]

Cornholio

Cornholio, I reckoned someone would pick up on the point I've been trying to make.

How many times have you and Huck and others, and, recently Quadsweep (with willy's help) tried to impose order on what, given the high quality of this board, should be POSTED TO THE MOST "NEW" OF NEWBIES? And to serve as a reminder to vets alike?

I just sense such a waste of time that has been spent trying to emphasize certain things that NEED to be in peoples' faces, because this is such an open and public board.

On a private board, a simple, innocous Rules section, might be more that sufficient. On one open board I have visited there is in glowing, conspicuous lettering, (to paraphrase), "NO SOLICITATION ALLOWED" It's right there, in your face. No one except a person with an accessibility problem could ignore that.

Moreover, the detailed rules are adherred to, in my opinion, rather strictly. (A reason I respect it.) Hence, they are not a Fed-Magnet material IMO.

Why do Mods themselves feel the NEED to expend time and effort to occasionally post detailed yet thoughtful "Rules?" I figure it's because they feel people are not getting the point.

I feel that, too.

Why are they not getting the point?

On a board such as EF, should one have to practically do a search to read simple, concrete, enforced rules? I think not. Are new people initially "registering" on a board inclined to read a "Microsoft-Style" acceptance policy, or just hit "Yes"?"

I just wonder who the next mod like Quadsweep will post a sticky. He did it for a reason. Why? I think because he wanted people to SEE some rules.

Too bad it was gradually taken down.

So simple for a board of this sophistication. RULES, in your face, open to the Internet world, and heaven forbid if they are grossly violated.

I would appreciate your further comments, should you care to share them.

Dexter

 

[ryker77]

OK, glad that was cleared up.
I do agree that the rules need to be posted or just like one of the pop up windows.
Or perhaps something like every 100th or 500th post you need to read the rules and click yes or no to continue.
Just my opion

 

[The Shadow]

Re: Cornholio

Cornholio, I reckoned someone would pick up on the point I've been trying to make.

How many times have you and Huck and others, and, recently Quadsweep (with willy's help) tried to impose order on what, given the high quality of this board, should be POSTED TO THE MOST "NEW" OF NEWBIES? And to serve as a reminder to vets alike?

I just sense such a waste of time that has been spent trying to emphasize certain things that NEED to be in peoples' faces, because this is such an open and public board.

On a private board, a simple, innocous Rules section, might be more that sufficient. On one open board I have visited there is in glowing, conspicuous lettering, (to paraphrase), "NO SOLICITATION ALLOWED" It's right there, in your face. No one except a person with an accessibility problem could ignore that.

Moreover, the detailed rules are adherred to, in my opinion, rather strictly. (A reason I respect it.) Hence, they are not a Fed-Magnet material IMO.

Why do Mods themselves feel the NEED to expend time and effort to occasionally post detailed yet thoughtful "Rules?" I figure it's because they feel people are not getting the point.

I feel that, too.

Why are they not getting the point?

On a board such as EF, should one have to practically do a search to read simple, concrete, enforced rules? I think not. Are new people initially "registering" on a board inclined to read a "Microsoft-Style" acceptance policy, or just hit "Yes"?"

I just wonder who the next mod like Quadsweep will post a sticky. He did it for a reason. Why? I think because he wanted people to SEE some rules.

Too bad it was gradually taken down.

So simple for a board of this sophistication. RULES, in your face, open to the Internet world, and heaven forbid if they are grossly violated.

I would appreciate your further comments, should you care to share them.

Dexter

LOL

I'm not an Anabolic mod...good idea though

 

[genarr3]

Damn, the drama! I never realized this board was such a serious place. Secret agents and international intrigue, I have to visit hardcore more often.

 

[spentagn]

Damn, the drama! I never realized this board was such a serious place. Secret agents and international intrigue, I have to visit hardcore more often.

Secret A-gent man, secret A-gent man...

 

[Dexter]

Yeah, whatever...about the irony, GEN. Having been at for so long, it's time for a change (I think maybe next year, after cleaning up some things), just to keep the variety in life going. What country? Dunno.

Anyway, if the Mods want to keep writing missives about Rules, after they have become frustrated, well, maybe that's one job of a Mod.

In my view, well, I just think it would save everybody a lot of time to just make an "in your face" list of Rules of the Board. And Rules that are followed.

Dexter

 

[Dexter]

I haven't been on the women's board much, only a few times.

I get this feeling that women, even if they are university students, don't need much moderation...because they tend to follow rules. Advice and assistance? Yes. Moderation? I don't think so. But I think I'll take a gander over there. And I'd like to read the WZTP in detail.

Dexter

 

[crackerlinebacker]

well

As I've said multiple times, a stand-up guy you can trust.

BigC

 

[Dexter]

Thanks, BigC, over the years we've known each other I've found you nothing less than a stand-up guy yourself. And you know the Rules, even if they are not posted anywhere conspicuous.

That said, don't be surprised if you received a half-dozen unsolicited emails from people who claim to have the backing of various Mods (named by name).

Dexter