RN interested in starting. (Sust/Winny vs. Sust/Tren E/Winny) Input appreciated

[TC1087271]

Hey guys.
I am 25, 5’9, 184 lbs, 11% body fat and have been weight training for close to about 6 years now. I finished my second degree (accelerated BSN) and lost a lot of my strength and size in that time period due to the absolute craziness. Now that I've had time get back into training, I'd like to expand on my knowledge of AAS and see what type of cycle will benefit me.

I have friends who have had long histories of AAS use and although I trust them, I want to get more input. Many have told me to just dive headfirst into a test sust/tren e/winny cycle. At first I was all for it, I even bought the compounds for a 10(or12) week cycle. Reality hit me though when I looked at the package and realized that I need to use my knowledge and my common sense to research the gear (which I’m grateful I did). Tren E seems to be very harsh for a first cycle, would you all agree? Since I have the sust in my hands I figured I might as well use it. I came up with a cycle that goes something like this:

MY CYCLE
- Weeks 1-10
Test Sust 250 @ 500mg/week
Mon + Wed + Fri = 0.6ml/day (= 500mg Sus250 /week)
OR
Mon + Thurs = 1ml/day (= 500mg Sus250/week)

- Weeks 4-10
Winny @ 40mg ED
(I ordered injectable but was stuck with pill form hence keeping it to 6 week max bc of liver toxicity)

ALSO
1. I ordered HCG despite my friends claims that I do not need it. After reading about it I would think that taking it from weeks 3-10, every 4 days @ 250iu would be highly beneficial in regards to helping my testes run somewhat normal while on cycle. Sounds logical? Or do I not need it?

2. I read and researched AI’s and think I should also be taking them DESPITE what my friends claim (that I do not need it). I figure I can take through weeks 1-10 Arimidex at .25mg/EOD. Would this be ok? What if I cannot get it? Would it be fine to do this cycle without it.

NOW FOR PCT
I was going to begin my PCT 3 weeks after my last SUS Injection. Running nolvadex for a total of 4 weeks.

Week 1: 40mg/day
Week 2: 40mg/day
Week 3: 20mg/day
Week 4: 20mg/day

I also purchases from Primordial Performance, a Testosterone Recovery Stack that consists of Sustain Alpha, Toco-8 and EndoAmp which I read can prove to help out a lot with PCT in addition to using a SERM like nolvadex.

PS – I also have Clomid on had.

Thanks for any input. I appreciate it. Feel free to be brutally honest.

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Try a test only cycle to see how you react and so that you know what it feels like. Try the Sust at 250mg each week for 10-12 weeks.

 

[crixus]

For PCT dont use the nolva bro.. Just run the clomid 25/25/25/25 and use the testosterone recovery stack you mentioned.. Also Tren is diff not an ideal first cycle compound bro.. especially a long ester version like Tren E

 

[TC1087271]

just a hypothetical question. Say I cannot get the arimidex for my cycle. I begin my cycle and along the line I begin to feel the sensations associated with gyno/possibly actually see it form. Can I take 20mg ED of nolva to hopefully fight off the gyno? If this is a clear cut no, then I will simply refrain from this cycle until I can get the arimidex somehow. My friend never ran an AI OR PCT he told me yet somehow he has never had any gyno development. Must be luck of the draw.

Thanks for all the input guys. Sorry if I'm asking too many questions. I just want to make sure I understand everything 100% before I start.

 

[stevesmi]

you seem to be on the right path but argh don't listen to your friends advice.. absolutely hcg during the cycle and kickstarting your PCT with it will help your recovery tremendously!

i have a detailed thread in my signature on how to run a cycle/pct. you should read that.

i agree with the above if you want to run a SERM run clomid at a low dose and not nolva. and you can run forma as your AI during your test and you will be fine. why do you want to stack winny with it? i would run just the test by itself, that is a tremendous cycle alone.. no need to stack your first cycle. save the winny for another time

 

[jarhead1]

Ive done several cycles, I just tried winny for the first time. My joints hurt so bad after just 3 weeks I dropped it. went back to Anavar. Listen to these guys they know of what they speak.

 

[TC1087271]

I hope I'm on the right path haha my buddies think I'm "psyching myself out" but after working in different hospitals and seeing endocrine problems on different types of units, I know that it's nothing to take lightly. I've had all these compounds in my hands for about 4 weeks now and haven't taken anything yet because I really want to have all the knowledge necessary to do this right the first time. I found arimidex 30mL 1 mg/mL so I am excited. It should be in before the second or third week considering I will start tomorrow morning with my first injection around 5:30am before my 16 hour shift...

As for the clomid. Does 20-25 mg a day suffice for PCT? I will be running this with the testosterone recovery stack I purchased and see how well it goes.

I figured the winstrol will help me with definition towards the end of the cycle and since I have it on hand maybe I can utilize it. I also read that it can act as an AI but I am still reading into this because that is a new concept to me. If I truly do not need it then hey I cannot complain, one less substance I have to put into my body.

I have everything I need for now until the HCG comes in which is about a week. I just want to say thanks to you guys for helping me out without bashing me or anything like that.

 

[TC1087271]

Ive done several cycles, I just tried winny for the first time. My joints hurt so bad after just 3 weeks I dropped it. went back to Anavar. Listen to these guys they know of what they speak.

wow really? I've read a couple of testimonials that are all practically the same in regards to the effect on the joints. Maybe I'll just hold off until my next cycle and/or just try it out this cycle. If it get's unbearable during muay thai or weight training then I will definitely drop it. Thanks for that heads up.

 

[jarhead1]

wow really? I've read a couple of testimonials that are all practically the same in regards to the effect on the joints. Maybe I'll just hold off until my next cycle and/or just try it out this cycle. If it get's unbearable during muay thai or weight training then I will definitely drop it. Thanks for that heads up.

Im onj my last 4 weeks of my cycle, I have heard for yrs that it dries you out, but then I heard the same news as you, that it has AI properties, actualy what I read it limits the SHBG enzyme sex hormone binding globulin. so through more reseach I found a product called Unleashed that does that same thing from an herb. I know Trib works so Ill try this.
especially if your into Muay thai stay away from winny.

 

[TC1087271]

One last thing in regards to dosage.

I've read different things on how many times a week I should inject the sust. Some people think every 4th day. Some say every other day due to the short acting esters in the compound. I am thinking about just sticking to injecting Monday and Thursdays @ 250mg/day per week for a total of 500 mg/week.