Rejuvenation Clinics/Hormone Replacement Therapy?

[chicagobuffedbod]

Hi, guys. I've been out of the loop for awhile and haven't been doing gear for a couple of years now. I am interested in using HCG as a therapy to help my body reproduce testosterone on it's own. I am interested in using this on a long term basis because I've had my testosterone levels checked and my numbers are low.

I was curious if there are still rejuvenation clinics around that can help me out with this. I am struggling with no sex drive and don't want to take testosterone again because I aromatize so easily. And to counteract that I would have to take anti-estrogens which I'm finding are carcinogenic. As a two time cancer survivor I want to find the safest way to increase my testosterone without the water bloat, bitch tits and prostatitis that comes from aromatizing.

Hope someone can help.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Well my friend..

the funny fucking thing about it is that hcg makes you produce more test, sperm, and thyroid. (to name some of it)

that T will be converted into estrogen when you have "too much", or, what our pussy non muscle wanting bodies feel is "too much".

So it doesnt really matter- hcg test, injectable test, pill test, test gel/cream... it all converts.

Some drugs you may consider if estrogen is a huge problem is ..say.. Anavar. It does not aromatise.. Is fairly gentle with gains you will keep..

You may also want to use the low dose hcg as you said, or a test gel/cream like I do.

-I am not a medical professional.. I am simply saying what I would do.

Hope that helps.

 

[chicagobuffedbod]

Thanks, I didn't know that hcg would convert to estrogen. I have only used it post cycle for a week or 10 days. I can't remember. I am looking for something that I can use long term. I had a lot of radiation on my pelvis for cancer treatment in the past and I think this is part of the reason why I'm lacking in sex drive.

I don't think I can get anavar prescribed as a drug for me to take legally. However, I'll ask my doctor. I'm not really looking to create muscular gains. I'm simply trying to recreate testosterone levels of a healthy individual for normal/optimal functioning.

 

[toxicsambo]

Age? You can get some test from a participating physician who believes in HRT. If you overuse HCG, you will get some righteous puffy nipples man.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Thanks, I didn't know that hcg would convert to estrogen. I have only used it post cycle for a week or 10 days. I can't remember. I am looking for something that I can use long term. I had a lot of radiation on my pelvis for cancer treatment in the past and I think this is part of the reason why I'm lacking in sex drive.

I don't think I can get anavar prescribed as a drug for me to take legally. However, I'll ask my doctor. I'm not really looking to create muscular gains. I'm simply trying to recreate testosterone levels of a healthy individual for normal/optimal functioning.

Well remember.. it isn't hcg that converts.. it's the test that hcg makes you produce that converts..

if you are going through a doctor, prescribed Anavar (Sold under brand name Oxandrin) is god awfully expensive... like, 1800 a month expensive..

I use Androgel 5g packets (one) every day even when not cycling.. No estro side effects for me.. I want a higher dose..

 

[chicagobuffedbod]

Holy Jeez! $1800 a month?

I was on HRT. I was getting a testosterone shot once every 14 days. It was test enanthate and I was getting lumps under my nipples and fat build up. Basically I was aromatizing badly from it. So I am looking for a way to increase my test levels to that of a healthy person in his 30's. I'm 38 by the way. This is effecting my relationship space as I can't get an erection to save my life.

Any suggestions on what to do other than testosterone injections would be helpful. Again, I want to avoid having to take nolvadex or other carcinogenic aids to counteract aromatization. I'm even trying to study herbs in order to see what I can do naturally but so far not much has happened.

Thanks.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Horny goat weed and Yohimbe if you want herbs..

Viagra is an option...

Testosterone issue... maybe go low dose androgel if you are low? they make 2.5g packets.. deliver 2.5mg's of test if I'm not mistaken..

 

[chicagobuffedbod]

Thanks, I've heard of compounding creams made by compounding pharmacist that make basically what you can find in Androgel for a fraction of the price. Perhaps if I take a low enough dose I can manage myself better.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

No problem man.. Like to try and help out.

Yeah compounding may work.. my andro 5g/day is 30 bucks with co-pay so not too bad..

 

[chicagobuffedbod]

Wow, didn't know you could get Androgel to be covered under insurance. I have a friend who can't get his covered and he has to pay $200 a month out of pocket.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Horny goat weed and Yohimbe if you want herbs..

Viagra is an option...

Testosterone issue... maybe go low dose androgel if you are low? they make 2.5g packets.. deliver 2.5mg's of test if I'm not mistaken..

Yohimbe?! What, did you just step out of a time portal from 1991?

Look, if you want to raise test naturally, UNLEASHED is the only sane alternative since it lowers SHBG, which in turn raises free testosterone.

If youwant to lower estrogen without the carcenogenic effects, again, do it naturally. POST CYCLE and ALpha Sustain work very well -- obviously, not as strong as a-dex or aromasan, but it'll help keep levels more stable, drug free.

But if you need weekly injections because you're clinically low and too old to recoup, then that's what you need. There is no other option. You can use the supps along with it, but only as an adjunct.

Viagra does not increase testosterone or elevate libido.

 

[scottbe]

the androgel-is garbage imho-i went up to 10g a day and levels were still low,now i get 200mg watson test cyp a week and lovin life!

 

[ProfPump]

I was on HRT. I was getting a testosterone shot once every 14 days. It was test enanthate and I was getting lumps under my nipples and fat build up. Basically I was aromatizing badly from it.

That dosing is old school and contributes to aromatization and the symptoms you described. I needed an aromatase inhibitor when I was injecting once a week. I now inject 100 mg Test Cyp every 3.5 days and so far haven't needed an AI.

As far as references, you may be close enough to Dr. John Crisler who is in Michigan and is one of the top HRT specialists in the country. His web site is allthingsmale dot com

 

[mrplunkey]

Holy Jeez! $1800 a month?

I was on HRT. I was getting a testosterone shot once every 14 days. It was test enanthate and I was getting lumps under my nipples and fat build up. Basically I was aromatizing badly from it. So I am looking for a way to increase my test levels to that of a healthy person in his 30's. I'm 38 by the way. This is effecting my relationship space as I can't get an erection to save my life.

Any suggestions on what to do other than testosterone injections would be helpful. Again, I want to avoid having to take nolvadex or other carcinogenic aids to counteract aromatization. I'm even trying to study herbs in order to see what I can do naturally but so far not much has happened.

Thanks.

Once every 14 days is crazy. I'd shoot test ethanate every 5 to 7 days and take a mild does of Armidex every other day or even every third day.

Maybe shoot 75 mg of test ethanate every five days and take 0.25 mg Adex EoD. Even if you are really bad to aromatize, that should take care of you.

75 mg E5D = 75 mg * 7/5 = 105 mg of test ethanate / week.

That would be a perfect, conservative HRT dose.

P.S. Unleashed is fantastic too. I'm really enjoying it.

 

[zedhed]

0.23 Adex EOD yah Every third day nah :-(

 

[retroshaper]

I'm even trying to study herbs in order to see what I can do naturally but so far not much has happened.

Thanks.

You may want to check out Tribulus Alatus if you want to go the herbal direction. Most of the herbals will increase sex drive but not really effect your test levels. Tribulus Alatus looks promising though. Purus Labs has a product that contains this called Recycle as well as on by ThermoLife called T-Bol.

 

[Clicked]

Has the regular Doc done bloodwork? If so, how does it look?

I would think that your regular Doc would be able to prescribe Test if the results are low, and yuo are having ED issues