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i read on one of the chinese gh sites that after reconstitiution it's shelf life is only 48 hours. Will the gh actually turn or is it simply for insursance purposes? Any input will be graetly appreciated .
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40butpumpin
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I spoke to them directly about this, here's the dialog:
Me: "I see, so with sterile water it will last 10 days?"
Them: "With reference to the life of the HGH after reconstituted, our formal data is 48 hours , because i (48 hours) is the basic demand of China Pharmacopoeia 2000 . Our reports (off the record) show the mixed solution can be good for over 10 days ( must guarantee
to use sterile needle each time) . As you have known by our website that our hgh doesnot use any preservatives."
Hope that helps.
I spoke to them directly about this, here's the dialog:
Me: "I see, so with sterile water it will last 10 days?"
Them: "With reference to the life of the HGH after reconstituted, our formal data is 48 hours , because i (48 hours) is the basic demand of China Pharmacopoeia 2000 . Our reports (off the record) show the mixed solution can be good for over 10 days ( must guarantee
to use sterile needle each time) . As you have known by our website that our hgh doesnot use any preservatives."
Hope that helps.
edgecrusher
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Thank you
It certainly does!
It certainly does!
40butpumpin
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Mr
Are you using the 'sterile' water with that?
Are you using the 'sterile' water with that?
edgecrusher
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Yes, I will be
I do not believe that GH is GH, but if it is.....
The shelf life of (r)HGH is a function of what diluent you use. For example, Serono products, Serostim and Saizen. They are the exact same product, made in the same factory, by the same company. They are labeled differently as one is labeled for Pediatric use (Saizen) and one is for AIDS Wasting (Serostim).
Why does Serostim have a shelf life after mixing of 2 days when Saizen has a shelf life of 28 days?
Serostim is mixed with sterile water (no preservatives)
Saizen is mixed with bactristatic water (has preservatives)
Moral of the story.... Use bactristatic water or sodium chloride if you want it to last more than a couple days.
Be careful with the Chinese stuff guys. I'm afraid you are playing with fire.
My two cents,
Gaddock
The shelf life of (r)HGH is a function of what diluent you use. For example, Serono products, Serostim and Saizen. They are the exact same product, made in the same factory, by the same company. They are labeled differently as one is labeled for Pediatric use (Saizen) and one is for AIDS Wasting (Serostim).
Why does Serostim have a shelf life after mixing of 2 days when Saizen has a shelf life of 28 days?
Serostim is mixed with sterile water (no preservatives)
Saizen is mixed with bactristatic water (has preservatives)
Moral of the story.... Use bactristatic water or sodium chloride if you want it to last more than a couple days.
Be careful with the Chinese stuff guys. I'm afraid you are playing with fire.
My two cents,
Gaddock
40butpumpin
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Mr
Edgecrusher, when you take that with the sterile water, could you please let me know how you feel with it. I was taking mine with the sterile water and after I did, I felt like I had a bad case of the flu or something. I also had small red areas at the injection sites, obviously small infections. When I stopped taking the stuff, the flu symptoms went away. I know I don't have a problem with gh in general because I've taken it before without any problems. That's why I think there's a problem with the water. So please let me know what you see, if anything, and I can tell myself I'm not nuts.
Gaddock, I appreciate your advise, however, I'm very curious about what you mean by "playing with fire." Do you mean our health is in danger? Or do you mean that the stuff is inconsistent, strength-wise? If you know for a fact the stuff is a danger to my/our health, please let me/us know.
Also, does anyone know where I can get some bacteriostatic water? Please.
Edgecrusher, when you take that with the sterile water, could you please let me know how you feel with it. I was taking mine with the sterile water and after I did, I felt like I had a bad case of the flu or something. I also had small red areas at the injection sites, obviously small infections. When I stopped taking the stuff, the flu symptoms went away. I know I don't have a problem with gh in general because I've taken it before without any problems. That's why I think there's a problem with the water. So please let me know what you see, if anything, and I can tell myself I'm not nuts.
Gaddock, I appreciate your advise, however, I'm very curious about what you mean by "playing with fire." Do you mean our health is in danger? Or do you mean that the stuff is inconsistent, strength-wise? If you know for a fact the stuff is a danger to my/our health, please let me/us know.
Also, does anyone know where I can get some bacteriostatic water? Please.
40ButPumpin,
You wrote..........
"Edgecrusher, when you take that with the sterile water, could you please let me know how you feel with it. I was taking mine with the sterile water and after I did, I felt like I had a bad case of the flu or something. I also had small red areas at the injection sites, obviously small infections. When I stopped taking the stuff, the flu symptoms went away. I know I don't have a problem with gh in general because I've taken it before without any problems. That's why I think there's a problem with the water. So please let me know what you see, if anything, and I can tell myself I'm not nuts."
Dude....... how many times must I say it? Have you ever heard of anybody getting flue like symptoms from sterile water???? NO!
Ever hear of getting the old Chinese spider bite from GH manufactured in an FDA approved facility?? NO!
My friend, do the math. Their quality control SUCKS. They cant even get a consistent dose in each vial. Do you really think they would give a darn if they sent you a bad batch?
I wrote....."playing with fire" read your own words, you hit the nail on the head. You can get US made GH for under $10 per i.u.. Why the heck would you take your chances?
Best regards and good health,
Gaddock
You wrote..........
"Edgecrusher, when you take that with the sterile water, could you please let me know how you feel with it. I was taking mine with the sterile water and after I did, I felt like I had a bad case of the flu or something. I also had small red areas at the injection sites, obviously small infections. When I stopped taking the stuff, the flu symptoms went away. I know I don't have a problem with gh in general because I've taken it before without any problems. That's why I think there's a problem with the water. So please let me know what you see, if anything, and I can tell myself I'm not nuts."
Dude....... how many times must I say it? Have you ever heard of anybody getting flue like symptoms from sterile water???? NO!
Ever hear of getting the old Chinese spider bite from GH manufactured in an FDA approved facility?? NO!
My friend, do the math. Their quality control SUCKS. They cant even get a consistent dose in each vial. Do you really think they would give a darn if they sent you a bad batch?
I wrote....."playing with fire" read your own words, you hit the nail on the head. You can get US made GH for under $10 per i.u.. Why the heck would you take your chances?
Best regards and good health,
Gaddock
edgecrusher
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I recall reading on one of the other boards that the serano company recommends that when you inject, you do so in a fashion that causes a bump. This is basically to ensure, you have not injected to deeply.
I guess this would refer to aids patients or someone with a wasting disease of sorts. Such a consition would most likely cause an individual to get quite lean, making a deep injection quite possible.
I guess this would refer to aids patients or someone with a wasting disease of sorts. Such a consition would most likely cause an individual to get quite lean, making a deep injection quite possible.
40butpumpin
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Mr
Okay, bro. I deserved some of that, however, I'm going to get some bac water anyway and I'm hoping I can come back here and tell you were wrong.
Okay, bro. I deserved some of that, however, I'm going to get some bac water anyway and I'm hoping I can come back here and tell you were wrong.
I am not familiar with chinese gh, but I have read that Serostim (somatropin(rDNA origin) for injection is a human growth hormone that is very effective. After reconstitution with diluent it lasts 24 hours. The reason is because sterile water has no antibacteria. If you want to have a longer shelf life use CYANOCOBALAMIN Injection 1000 mcg/ml. This is a vitamin B which contains an antibacteria which will make your gh last for as long as you need it to last. Hope this helps.
The best place to inject it is sideways pinching around your abdominal area, with an insulin syringe. The reason you inject it sideways its because it needs to be injected between the skin and muscle so that when you are done you will see a little lump.
The best place to inject it is sideways pinching around your abdominal area, with an insulin syringe. The reason you inject it sideways its because it needs to be injected between the skin and muscle so that when you are done you will see a little lump.
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One more thing may be you already know this, but remember this is a very delicate and fragile substance. When you mix it rotate the bottle very gently for God sake DO NOT SHAKE it you will destroy its effects for sure. Also keep it in the refrigerator in a place where it doesn't move. For example do not put it on the door which you open and close constantly. That will affect it to, it is extremely sensitive. 
Goldensun7
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Ok, I have been reading the board long enough to know NOT to ask or post sources - I would NOT. However, where in the hell do you get US GH for $10.00 an I.U. ?? PLEASE e-mail at [email protected]
I know I sould not ask ----
I have paid Humatrope from England i@ $20.00 an IU.
Thanks
I know I sould not ask ----
I have paid Humatrope from England i@ $20.00 an IU.
Thanks
2 Important questions?
Where can I get sterile water? Also I heard that Serostim will last for up to 10 days after mixed even without the sterile water and that the usual guideline of within 24 - 48 hours comes from the package insert and it is mainly because the product is for use in people with compromised immune systems. Meaning that the actual time that Serostim is good for is much longer then 2 day (maybe on the order of 10 days) but this is not advisable for HIV patients but people thathave normal immune systems would likely be fine.
MAV
Where can I get sterile water? Also I heard that Serostim will last for up to 10 days after mixed even without the sterile water and that the usual guideline of within 24 - 48 hours comes from the package insert and it is mainly because the product is for use in people with compromised immune systems. Meaning that the actual time that Serostim is good for is much longer then 2 day (maybe on the order of 10 days) but this is not advisable for HIV patients but people thathave normal immune systems would likely be fine.
MAV
I believe that their recommentations of 2 days is based on sterile water. If you want it to last longer, use bacteriostatic water as it contains a preservative. The whole point of how long it lasts is because of bacteria, not the patient.
You can get water at Walgreen's; just need a script to do it.
You can get water at Walgreen's; just need a script to do it.
But isn't ....
Texas Guy I know what you are saying about the bacteria btu I guess my point was that bacteria growth should be linear in a closed environment (vial) and because some bacteria are always present in every shot we take (nothing is 100% sterile) it is not really whether or not bacteria is present but how much bacteria is present that determines whether or not you get an infection after a shot. Because the more bacteria the greater likelyhood that it will overwhelm your immune system. Now people with a compromised immune system would probably have greater chance of infection even at a much lower bacteria count.
MAV
Texas Guy I know what you are saying about the bacteria btu I guess my point was that bacteria growth should be linear in a closed environment (vial) and because some bacteria are always present in every shot we take (nothing is 100% sterile) it is not really whether or not bacteria is present but how much bacteria is present that determines whether or not you get an infection after a shot. Because the more bacteria the greater likelyhood that it will overwhelm your immune system. Now people with a compromised immune system would probably have greater chance of infection even at a much lower bacteria count.
MAV
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