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Have you ever been in a really bad neighborhood after dark where the threat of danger is higher than that in the comfortable suburban developments you rest your head? The same neighborhood that has an addict ready to pummel you into the ground just to get drug money.

Where no matter how many gun control laws are passed about background checks, ect., ect. there are people who still have them illegally and will continue to have the illegally. The people who will endanger your life to support that drug habit, are the same ones who don't care about the laws passed by some guy on Capital Hill who most likely answered no to the above question.

I have and do every single day of my life. I'm curious as to what your answer is. [I'm not looking for a flame fest; just curious]
 
I'm affluent. So, I don't go into bad neighborhoods.

I suggest you obtain some level of affluence and you will not need a gun.



Love,
May1010:D
 
Rexx said:
Have you ever been in a really bad neighborhood after dark where the threat of danger is higher than that in the comfortable suburban developments you rest your head? The same neighborhood that has an addict ready to pummel you into the ground just to get drug money.
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Not without an armed escort they sure as hell haven't.

-Warik
 
The rules and regualtions put in place are not just to deter "bad guys" from getting guns, they are also to ensure that people who are really mad do not have ready access to guns and ammunition. I live in Canada where the gun laws are a HELL of a lot stricter than my southern neighbours, and I don't mind the laws. They at least give the PRETENSE that someone is trying to stop guns from reaching hands that may use them to harm another person. It is rediculous to think that they will be able to control ALL guns, but if they make it at least a little bit harder than maybe a gun won't be the weapon of choice in a least a small percentage of crimes commited. This will equal at least a small amount of violence that has been curbed.

I use guns everyday at work and I have trained a LOT of people how to use firearms. In now way will I ever bash the gun laws, they are an extremely good idea. So what if you have to wait until you can open up your shiny new AR15........you'll still get it.


Stop bitching
 
Guns are the root of the problem. Don't give me this bullshit about people kill people, not guns. Or this bullshit about, Oh, I like to keep 10 or 15 guns so I can blow a deer into 4 pieces in one shot. There is no practical reason for Americans to have as many guns as there are out there. Not for sport, not for self defense, not for walking down the street so you can make a drug addict's head explode.

Think about all the gun related crimes that happen. Do you really think people would kill each other if they didn't have a gun? If it weren't so easy to just press a trigger and boom? Do you think the other person would have at least a fighting chance if he weren't faced with a miniauture cannon? What if someone had to use a shovel to bash a cashier's head open, do you really think they would do that? I know I would find it a hell of a lot easier to kill a few people with a gun in my hand then it would be if I actually had to run around with a night stick and smack people to death.

And don't give me this bullshit about criminals getting guns anyway. Sure, perhaps a few people would find ways to get guns, and pay the high prices that would follow. But your average Joe, or Jim Smith the drug addict would have a very difficult time finding a gun or affording it. And if they knew how difficult it was to get a gun, they might not even bother with robbing the convenient store because its not as easy as hopping down to the gun swap and picking up a few rifles.

If anything, all we need is stronger regulations. And even gun fanatics who love blowing shit up can't meet the rest of society half way. Limit the amount of guns a person can own, limit its uses, and limit the amount of ammunition they can buy. If you want to annihalate a few deer, fine... here's a few bullets. You want to shoot some frisbies... here's a few more. What else do you want?

Until then, we'll continue to see guns lighting up the streets all over the US. They'll be killing in our neighborhoods, at our workplaces and in our schools. Do you really value your guns more than the safety of society?
 
Gun control leads to genocide!
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PS: Guns are good for shooting anti Semites, Marxists, and gay bashers.







May1010 said:
I'm affluent. So, I don't go into bad neighborhoods.

I suggest you obtain some level of affluence and you will not need a gun.



Love,
May1010:D
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As a gun friend feel like I should respond to this.
I was given my first bb gun at six and at 13 my dad made a fucked up promise I could get a 30-30. with Dad shooting a gun with me was a FUN experence we could enjoy. Ive owned guns most of my 21 year old life! Even though I dont own one now(Badass BB gun dosent count) But there is always a 22 around from a friend or a relative. Shooting is some fun shit.! JUST AS LONG YOUR NOT SHOOTING PEOPLE for the really stupid people that own guns.
You should have seen how pissed mom was when they figured they should not go back on a parnets promise.
I was one happy 13 year old bastard!:)
 
Cocaine is illeagal, yet its everywhere, weed is illegal but its everywwhere you look, heroine is illegal, yet I can walk up the street and get a bag.

And the US trys to fight the drug war eveyday for years and it does not stop shit.

Ban guns and the same thing will happen criminals will be armed and law abiding citizens will be their prey.

There will always be guns on the street no matter how many laws you pass, plus crime will go up.

The anti gun activists are the most close minded FUCKING IDIOTS ON THE PLANET AND YOU SHOULD ALL BE DEPORTED OUT OF THE USA TO LIVE IN A COMMUNISTS COUNTRY!!!

BTW If I wanted to kill someone I can find many ways easier than a gun.
 
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So if we slowly decrease the amount of guns in our country... then crime will go up? Because Super hero neighbor Joe doesn't have a gun to fight off crime? That's why we have the police brotha, to help deter crime. The last thing we need are every Tom, Dick, and Harry running around with guns to fight crime. If you're worried about getting robbed in your home, get a security system... its much safer and much more effective. At least the gun legislation activist are willing to negotiate. So ask yourself, whose the one thats really close minded?
 
Bro you are A COMPLETE AND UDDER FUCKING IDIOT, yea dal 911 when somebodys breaking into your house by the time the police arrive your wife will be raped and killed.

911 dial a prayer.

Guns are illegal in england and sootings have gone up every year.

Read the facts before you come on here and blabble you bullshit.
 
Like the other bros I grew up with guns. From a kid up guns have been part of my life and I treat them with respect. More people should do the same.
 
I live by the Constitution of the United States of America. I will not argue with YellowD becuase I can blow your ass away on this argument. The Constitution gives me the right to own a gun and that trumps any damn argument you have. I could care less what you think the crime rate is or how many people die using guns. I have this right, I will kill for this right, and I will die for this right.
 
Have you ever heard of KUNG-FU FIGHTIN ????

I can dodge bullets ...

and wrestled the sub-machine guns out of a druggies' hand ...

OHHHH WWWWWAAAAAA ATTTAAA :karate:
 
Let's think about the constitution in context. It was written 200 years ago, when defending ones home was direly necessary. I don't think we have to worry much about troops invading our homes these days. No one is arguing the constitutionality of owning a gun, its simply time we amend the laws to update them with current society. There is no reason why people should have as many guns as they do.

And as far as Mr. Rapist goes, invest some money in a decent security system. Guns are not the answer. Studies have shown guns stored in homes often are used against ones own family or other innocents. While being Davey Crockett with your gun in your cabin to protect the womenfolk may seem noble, there are other effective ways to keep out those dirty bandits that roam the countryside. Now tell me, are you really worried about some bum breaking into your house, or are you more worried about your precious semi-automatic assault rifle being taken from you?

Perhaps you misunderstood me, I'm not telling you you can't have guns. Just that you don't need a miniature arsenal in your closet. Guns make it easier to kill people, and the more we have, the more available they become. Is it too much to ask that there be limits set on who can buy guns and how many?
 
Seriously, I used to live in a city with 10 million people ... and people get shot everyday, people get stabbed ..with the guts hanging out of their stomach, and people get shot during traffic arguments ....
we also had a revolution ... yes, on the verge of a civil war ... we had urban guerillas bombing our cities ... and the communist with their assassins, the Hongkong Triads were also operating big-time in our city ... drug trafficking and money laundering, and in the south ... we had muslim rebels who wanted to cede and become an autonomous country ... you name all the Chaos ... i have lived in it ... I didn't need a gun to survive.
 
The people that think no one should one firearms are the same people that live in a $200,000-400,000 house inside of a gated community. With an alarm system in their house and in thier $30,000 car.
Well I for one cannot afford that lifestyle. I choose to protect myself and my family with firearms.

If your truley against guns place a sticker in your car and on your house that says " I choose to be gun free "
Most all NRA members have stickers on thier car and thier not afraid to be a proud gun owner. So you shouldn't be afraid to be a proud anti-gun..

:eek:
 
Easiest way for the government to impose martial law:

1. Disarm the citizenry
2. Impose martial law


But it can;t happen here, right?
Politicians don't act in their own interest right (Bush?)
Politicans aren't obsessed with power right? (Gore?)
They really care about the people right?

You are just an uninformed fool if you think this is unreasonable. Read a history book. As long as we have our weapons, they can't impose anything on us.

We surrender that, and we have surrendered all of our freedoms.

May....remember when you got fired? Affluence is an economic downturn away from going bye bye. Hope it doesn;t happen to you...but you knwo it could.
 
A. Matt is right..

B. Mila Jovich is one hot lil momma!!!
 
Rexx, seems that people just want to say
"use guns" or "don't use guns"
My band jams in an area that is half a block from one of the worst areas in Toronto. I don't own a gun, nor would I.

1) I don't go anywhere by myself.
2) I drive and park as close to where I have to go as possible
3) If one of us has to go to a bank machine we go in threes..one to do the banking and the other two protecting their back
4) stay in well lit areas with people

It doesnt matter how many precautions you take, something can happen. Plus, in this area, being a small white female I stick out like a very sore thumb and noone has as of yet even looked at me the wrong way.

One of the guys who lives in the place we go (we live far away thank goodness, we just jam there) has been jumped about a half a dozen times. In none of those instances were guns involved, and more than once he was ganged up on. Only once was he injured simply because he was on guard at all times.
The only time we heard of anything involving a gun was with the local drug dealer.
 
In most cases guns work against innocents... A guy who actually uses a gun in self defense is a rarity...
And do you need a fucking Uzi to defend yourself?
 
This isn't the 1800's. The citzenry does not need to be armed in case the US government decides to call into martial law. I highly doubt you and your redneck buddies in their camis and orange vests wielding 5 12 gauge shotguns each are going to put a dent in the convoy of tanks that come rolling through the city. There are so many checks and balances, martial law being called into place for an illegitimate reason is highly doubtful. Maybe we should start selling grenade and rocket launchers to everyone that comes into Happy Mac's Gun Shack. All these reasons for keeping guns are extreme at best. Well, what if God comes down and says we have to fight satan and I don't have a gun? What if I have to fight a hobgoblin in my bathroom one morning? What if I can't unzip my zipper and I need a gun to blow it off? There are chances we take in life, but one chance we can do something about is help prevent keep guns out of the wrong hands, and off of our streets.

And once again, why do you find it so unreasonable to compromise?
 
YellowD said:
This isn't the 1800's. The citzenry does not need to be armed in case the US government decides to call into martial law.
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You are 100% brainwashed if you think it can't happen here and now. The first step toward implementing a martial system uis to convionce people oit can;t happen. Then they will stop worrying about it and it can be done. When the population loses its vigilance, the nation is in trouble. Read a history book.



I highly doubt you and your redneck buddies in their camis and orange vests wielding 5 12 gauge shotguns each are going to put a dent in the convoy of tanks that come rolling through the city.
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I'm born and raised in NY city so I don't think "redneck" applies. That just shows how little you think for yourself, and let media stereotypes dictate your opinions. Wow are you a sheep.



but one chance we can do something about is help prevent keep guns out of the wrong hands, and off of our streets.

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The government, through its media/propaganda machine, has a way of creating false problems in order to provide solutions. they make it seem like the problem is dire, and that only more law will solve it.

In this way, they get us to trade our freedoms for "security" except that the security is an apparition because the problem isn't that bad.

Gun control is a prime example of this. We hear all about "Columbine this" and "Columbine that". The only reason that story got so much attention is that it was upper-class Dylan and Eric shooting kids, not inner-city Kareem and Rashad.

Columbine is barely a blip on the radar screen of school shootings.

And so it goes.

Why are you in such a hurry to give your freedoms away? Have you been shot by an armed criminal? Lost a loved one? or are you just reacting to teh propoganda that is being spewed at you?

Why are you in such a hurry to give up your freedoms?
 
You want to put a dent in a tank...Ok lets try this then

Read any Anarchy cookbook, take the recipe for making c4 and I can build a what we used to call a sticky bomb. We used to make explosives to help blow up trees when we didn't have time to cut and or worry about the roots.


As for trying to stop a tank, you can also use dynomite. place about 1lb of c4 or an equal amount of dynomite tied together and with one fuse, you can take axl grease and dip it with some cotton strips and sprinkle crushed pine cone and stick it to metal and it should stay. Light the fuse and run like hell. Place this on the tracks and perhaps this might put a dent


As for the guns, fine if you don't want them, you give up your right to them, if the want to take mine away from me they are going to have to put a bullet in my head
 
You have to make a tradeoff between your rights and more peace, safety, etc... You talk about people being brainwashed by the governement... What about the NRA, doesn´t it have some power too? You say you think by your own heads, but those arguments you give i´ve seen repeated several times in the media and the internet, etc...
Do you want to fight the USA army? Do you think some Joe Doe can have military tanks and aeroplanes of his own, if he has the money to buy them?

PS: YellowD welcome!!!
 
Quite frankly, if the United States ever does impliment martial law and goes off the charts, it will be because of our apathy for political action. It will be because the wrong people got to the right places because no one did anything about it. There are too many checks and balances to allow any one person or party to overtake the whole system. You act like the US government is one single body poised against the American people, when in truth it is many divided branches constantly balancing powers. This is a poor excuse for having a personal arsenal in your home. The chance that the US needs the American people to put forth a revolution (and a violent one as you imply), is quite a bit less than the chance that guns are being used to kill people everyday.

And you and your revolutionary buddies in New York will not do much wielding whatever guns you have when the US government moves against its own people. In the future and today, one on one warfare will be nearly nonexistant. The US has at its disposal a large array of weaponry that will make your pistols look like water guns.

And for my own personal stance, it was one I had always held when it comes to guns. It is only re-affirmed by the deaths of three of my good friends. One was shot in the face with a shotgun stolen from someone's house. The other two were shot when they were robbed by someone who had a gun he had bought two days before. I don't see a revolution occuring anytime soon, but I do see that I don't have three people in my life now because of a weapon they had no chance against.

So I ask you once again, and unanswered, why do you feel it must be all or nothing? Can you not achieve the same satisfaction from owning a gun if you were limited?

I hope you can respond without resorting to unnecessary insults, and provide a realistic arguement for why you feel it is so necessary that guns remain rampant in the streets of our nation.
 
The NRA doesn't have the big media power you might think. Rarely do I ever see the NRA getting any media coverage on TV, the only time you hear them on the news is when the Media is questioning them for the school shooting deaths.

I would gladly lay my life down and fight against brothers and sisters if the govt tried to take away my right to bear arms.

In our Constitution it's a GOD GIVEN right...Which means reguardless what problems we have no one in this country has the right to even take it away from us.

the good thing if shit hits the fan in this country over guns there will be another civil war. this time it's not going to be north vs south but the millions who own guns vs the fewer who don't have them.

You really think the Military would fight for the Govt if they tried to take away guns??I don't think they would.

your friends were killed by criminals who illegally possesd those guns. Laws in this country and in most states would execute criminals who kill during committing crimes. our Govt would not dare use weapons of mass destruciton in our own country. If a war broke out it would have to be gun to gun...If they attempted to use missles against the people Everyone would rise against the govt.

No I ask you...Do you think brothers and sisters in the military would be willing to fight against the people who support them? no way. I think the Military would fight against the Govt.
 
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YellowD said:
Quite frankly, if the United States ever does impliment martial law and goes off the charts, it will be because of our apathy for political action. It will be because the wrong people got to the right places because no one did anything about it.

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True.


There are too many checks and balances to allow any one person or party to overtake the whole system. You act like the US government is one single body poised against the American people, when in truth it is many divided branches constantly balancing powers. This is a poor excuse for having a personal arsenal in your home.
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The system is not a single entity. There are checks and balances. This does not make it impossible for the rights of people to be systematically infringed and reduced.



The chance that the US needs the American people to put forth a revolution (and a violent one as you imply), is quite a bit less than the chance that guns are being used to kill people everyday.
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And you and your revolutionary buddies in New York will not do much wielding whatever guns you have when the US government moves against its own people. In the future and today, one on one warfare will be nearly nonexistant. The US has at its disposal a large array of weaponry that will make your pistols look like water guns.
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Well..we may be debating a moot point here, BUT: imposing martial law does not mean killing off the population. So they won't be turning the bombers on us. If they kill off the population, industry will decline because no one will work. Martial law is using the threat of deadly force against a population to ensure their strict compliance. People (soldier types) would be required to enforce this and would be as vulnerable to gunfire as anyone else is.

Sure it is farfetched. But not impossible.



And for my own personal stance, it was one I had always held when it comes to guns. It is only re-affirmed by the deaths of three of my good friends. One was shot in the face with a shotgun stolen from someone's house. The other two were shot when they were robbed by someone who had a gun he had bought two days before. I don't see a revolution occuring anytime soon, but I do see that I don't have three people in my life now because of a weapon they had no chance against.
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Very sorry for your loss.



So I ask you once again, and unanswered, why do you feel it must be all or nothing? Can you not achieve the same satisfaction from owning a gun if you were limited?
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There are already 30,000 gun laws on tthe books in the US. They have only made it more dificult to get a gun legally. An illegal gun is easy to come by.

If you could devise a way to limit illegal gun use, I might be willing to accept limits on legal gun use. But the surrent laws make it harder only for legitimate people like me to purchase and use guns.
 
Guns are easy to get ilegaly there in the USA because people who buy them legaly sell them ilegaly... or because guns are taken away from the owners, etc...
Here in Europe a gun isn´t that easy to get...
 
The Varnsen said:
In most cases guns work against innocents... A guy who actually uses a gun in self defense is a rarity...
And do you need a fucking Uzi to defend yourself?
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Can you prove this? I doubt it. If you are talking about accidental shootings, well than we should also ban swimming pools, objects that can be swallowed and idiots who might stumble and fall.

Yes if I want a damn Uzi, it it my right to own one.


It is said to see that one is considered a radical or extremeist becuase they support the constitution. The liberal brainwashing is in effect. I fear the world that my children will have to grow up in. These liberal pussies are teaching them that being rich is bad, and that you should give your money to the lazy poor.
 
And what about the conservative brainwash?
Bro the Constitution is gonna be changed sometime in history, you can bet that with me... It is 220 fucking years old! It was written along time ago, to adjust to a very different situation...
:o
 
I'm staying out of this one for once, but Varnsen makes some very good points.
 
The Varnsen said:
And what about the conservative brainwash?
Bro the Constitution is gonna be changed sometime in history, you can bet that with me... It is 220 fucking years old! It was written along time ago, to adjust to a very different situation...
:o
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I agree that it will be changed in the future. Do I agree with a change, hell no! The reason it will be changed is because this society is made up of a bunch of brainwased sheep. They sit around watching their 5000 TV stations while our country and our rights are gradually decaying. The liberals have taken control of our schools and the kids are being lead away from us by some pied piper. The children in school are being taught a political agenda and only what the liberals want them to know. It will be a sad day when our constitution is stepped on by these socialist idiots who have no idea what freedom means.

Also, could you elaborate on the coservative brainwash.
 
It's so refreshing to read constructive discourse

on guns in an internet chat room.

(NOT)

Canadians and Europeans can't understand the American obsession with guns, and I can't understand it myself, with or without the 2nd amendment. Reading these "exchanges" reminds me of Hunter Thompson's dog in "Fear & Loathing". All you have to do is yell, "LIBERAL!" or "GUN CONTROL!" and they start snarling and foaming at the mouth. Fine, go ahead and threaten people with bogeymen coming in through the window who are RIGHT NOW raping our children, but that doesn't begin to address the issue.

Why are our homicide rates 10-20 times anybody elses in the developed world? Why do we have so many (legal and illegal) guns around? How do we start doing something about gun violence? Make everything illegal? (right.) Arm every man, woman & child over 6 with a 22? (yeah, right. That'll solve ALL our problems.) Once we start asking real, practical questions about guns and gun violence in the US, and stop baying like attack dogs, perhaps the difficult questions can start to get settled.
 
I won´t argue more about the need to change the Constitution as you won´t understand it in a near future...
Conservative brainwash? Wow, i forgot the bad ones here are the liberals, and the conservatives wouldn´t be capable of such a campaign... Things are more complex than that Conspiracy theory of yours... I know it helps you understand the surrounding world but things aren´t that simple...
 
Whatever Varn. As usual, you cannot explain shit.

Oh, Would you know what time it is in Valladolid, Spain? Thanks
 
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