Please help fix me my quality of life is shit v.orals

[abomb420]

I ALSO posted this in the PCT section. I am new here and do NOT know where to turn to for the best advice so please forgive me for DOUBLE posting. Just a heads up

Ok let me give you guys the long and the short maybe you can help me...

2 years ago in june 2007. I ran superdrol for 4 weeks at 20mg a day

2 weeks into the cycle, i was having erection problems. could only get halfway hard and not maintain a full normal erection.

i did not really have a good or well thought out pct.

gyno started to form. i did not realize it was gyno at the time. i now have mild gyno in both of my tits.

for the past 2 years. i have had almost 0 libido, depression, irritability, erection problems, quick to anger, random feelings of emotion, etc low energy problems sleepiong and I HAVE NOT HAD MORNING WOOD SINCE.

i am 23 years old.

i had blood work done twice with these values

lipid panel
cholesterol 160 range <200
triglycerides 121 range <150
HDL cholesterol 42 range >39
calculated ldl chol 94 range <100

estradiol 15 range up to 56
FSH 1.9 range 1.5-14.0
LH 2.5 range 1-9

testosterone 404 range 241-827
test free/total with shbg 404 range 241-827

calc free test 10.4 range 6-27


the prolactin was 0.0 I ran cabaser for about a week...


the first blood work had the same values except the prolactin was at a 19 (high end of normal)

what i have tried so far

i ran 4 weeks of Clomid at 50mg a day with 12.5mg of Aromasin.

i have also ran pramipexoloe a prolactin inhibitor at .50mg a day for a month.

i have tried a few days of letro (Femara). i have felt sick, headache, irritiable, anxious, nervous, depressed while on the letro. i am getting off of it.

i have these research chemicals in my cabinet at home:

Clomid, Nolvadex, letro, Arimidex, Aromasin, and Cialis.

I am tired of not being horny, not having good erections, not getting morning wood. I am tired of feeling tired,d epresseded about everything, and bad mental clarity.. and low quality sleep. I am tired of the mild gyno i have developed.

i am also tired of just throwing money at this problem with no results.

Can you guys please help me put together a pct or supplements or something that can restore me to normal? I would like to get horny like a normal 23 year old.. feel good.. think straight.. get morning wood again

I am so damn desperate and the past 2 doctors i have seen just said oh you are normal dont worry about it.

 

[timtim]

deca gave me a similar situation years ago, but it lasted about 8 months. you did the doc. what worked for me, a light test only cycle. got me right back to normal. make sure you have letro with your gyno situation. my doc has said many times, even while my wife and i are trying to conceive, a little test isn't bad.

letro makes you feel icky. get over it. it works for gyno shrinkage in many cases, me as an example. ditch the research chemicals for your situation. get the real stuff.

stop running all the shit. run test. your body is fucked up because of all the suicide inhibitors you took.

 

[abomb420]

deca gave me a similar situation years ago, but it lasted about 8 months. you did the doc. what worked for me, a light test only cycle. got me right back to normal. make sure you have letro with your gyno situation. my doc has said many times, even while my wife and i are trying to conceive, a little test isn't bad.

letro makes you feel icky. get over it. it works for gyno shrinkage in many cases, me as an example. ditch the research chemicals for your situation. get the real stuff.

stop running all the shit. run test. your body is fucked up because of all the suicide inhibitors you took.

so run letro at 2.5mg a day until the gyno disappears or shrinks and then get on a light test cycle?

 

[timtim]

so run letro at 2.5mg a day until the gyno disappears or shrinks and then get on a light test cycle?

i would be on a light test cycle - for me that would be 500mg, ive done alot of them. ramp up to 2.5 over a 4 day span and take 20 mg of nolva daily.

mine stopped hurting, and it had grown quite a bit for me, in 2 days. was nearly gone in 10. gone by 14 days. i ran letro at 1.25 for a week or 2after, then 1.25 eod. cycle ended i started my pct.

 

[abomb420]

thank you for your reply i am definetly taking it into consideration. are there any additional educated opinions out there?

 

[2evil]

I would either run a test cycle and then the test recovery stack from primordial performance or just do the trs stack now. You can recover!

 

[abomb420]

how potent and effective at getting me going properly again is the TRS stack?

 

[2evil]

how potent and effective at getting me going properly again is the TRS stack?

It seems to be the best pct going and has gotten guys going that have been in your situation for years. I would also throw in some unleashed @ 6 tabs per day split into 2 doses.

 

[lookinfit75]

I don't know if running a test cycle would be the answer and 500mgs is not a light cycle for one who has never run test before. The TRS from PP would be a safer option to check out or maybe half the above mentioned dose with some proviron to raise free test although I still say that running a "light" test cycle might not be the most prudent answer.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[abomb420]

so run a full "cycle" of PP trs and unleashed and i may be able to bring everything back to normal and restore myself to a normal libido?

 

[lookinfit75]

so run a full "cycle" of PP trs and unleashed and i may be able to bring everything back to normal and restore myself to a normal libido?

Honestly, if I were you I would fix the problem first and this is my logic:
Right now there is something wrong with you right? You're only 23 years old yet you have no sex drive and have limited to no erections when you do get aroused. So with that in mind and given your history (you used an OTC prohormone and then these problems started), the last thing I would do would be to introduce any exogenous hormones into your already compromised hormonal system because these exogenous hormones i.e. testosterone will further impair your already impaired system. ALL steroids suppress your endocrine system and there is no way around that fact.
So, with all that being said, it would probably be best for you to fix this imbalance by undergoing some kind of PCT to "jump start" your HPTA and get your body going in the right direction. Given your age you might be able to fix this and heal fully without having to go into HRT.
Anyway, you are to young to be having these problems. The only problem you should be having is not knowing what to do with all the wood and pussy you're supposed to have at your age. I sincerely hope you are able to fix this problem.

 

[lander2312]

you say that 2 different doctors said you were fine...but have you seen an Endocrine specialist???At you age i would not think they would agree that you are fine...and even if one did then i would find a doctor that listens to me and what i am saying. A good doctor is only as informed as a good patient allows them to be. I would find it hard to believe that an Endo doc would think you are fine after all the meds you have given yourself and the symptoms your having....just something to think about

 

[UncleBee]

First off, running a test cycle is only going to mask your issues. Your blood work looks good, not just fine but good. I would put money on your problem being psychological. It sounds like your neurotransmitters are not working properly.(but Im not a shrink) There is nothing in your blood work that shows anywhere were your body isn't functioning normally. Doing a test cycle MAY make you feel better for the time being but most likely will come back after your cycle and probably be worst.

What if anything has changed from the time you felt fine before your cycles till now? Are you taking anything else that we dont know of?

 

[needtogetaas]

I would either run a test cycle and then the test recovery stack from primordial performance or just do the trs stack now. You can recover!

I would just jump on the TRS now. Send me a pm. I will help you out on how to use it and a discount. I think this will help a lot.

 

[needtogetaas]

I don't know if running a test cycle would be the answer and 500mgs is not a light cycle for one who has never run test before. The TRS from PP would be a safer option to check out or maybe half the above mentioned dose with some proviron to raise free test although I still say that running a "light" test cycle might not be the most prudent answer.
Just my 2 cents.

Prov would not be the best for him. Being as superdrol did not work well for him I think any dht is going to do the same for him.

 

[lookinfit75]

You are more than likely right. I'd go so far as to say that probably NO steroid will help this situation.

 

[abomb555]

I would just jump on the TRS now. Send me a pm. I will help you out on how to use it and a discount. I think this will help a lot.

i second this and also would run UNLEASHED

 

[abomb420]

anyone else? my symptoms are

no sex drive, difficulty achieving and maintaing erections, bad moods, depression, irritibility, anxiety, mild gyno, cant think clearly, bad quality of sleep, no morning wood ever

i ordered unleashed + TRS stack. if this doesnt work i dont know what to do....

i just want to return to a normal boner raging 20 year old....

 

[abomb555]

anyone else? my symptoms are

no sex drive, difficulty achieving and maintaing erections, bad moods, depression, irritibility, anxiety, mild gyno, cant think clearly, bad quality of sleep, no morning wood ever

i ordered unleashed + TRS stack. if this doesnt work i dont know what to do....

i just want to return to a normal boner raging 20 year old....

its not from smokin weed is it? lol sorry couldnt help it........maybe try another endo if that dont work.....over all health can affect these things as well

 

[chucktown04]

I concur with the above that it may be a psychological issue. 4 weeks on a OTC prohormone shouln't cause this much trouble

 

[dmc777]

I didn't read the whole thread but did see where someone recommended starting a test cycle....do not fucking do that! Why would you want to do that when you haven't even recovered from your last. I didn't think your number looked that bad....could be better but I've seen far worse. Was that bloodwork after you'd ran the clomid and aromasin?

 

[abomb420]

its not from smokin weed is it? lol sorry couldnt help it........maybe try another ando if that dont work.....over all health can affect these things as well

i used to smoke weed years ago but never had these problems

 

[abomb420]

I didn't read the whole thread but did see where someone recommended starting a test cycle....do not fucking do that! Why would you want to do that when you haven't even recovered from your last. I didn't think your number looked that bad....could be better but I've seen far worse. Was that bloodwork after you'd ran the clomid and aromasin?

blood work was before the aromasin and clomid.

its been a few weeks since the aromasin and clomid and i felt no different than before the aromasin and clomid....

no night wood or morning wood lets me know im broken..not to mention i have no sex drive

 

[timtim]

I didn't read the whole thread but did see where someone recommended starting a test cycle....do not fucking do that! Why would you want to do that when you haven't even recovered from your last. I didn't think your number looked that bad....could be better but I've seen far worse. Was that bloodwork after you'd ran the clomid and aromasin?

i speak from personal experience when recommending a light test cycle. he has killed his natural estrogen, its dead from all the inhibitors. he needs a jump start. a light test cycle will not hurt at all. it will actually make him feel better. hes got bloodwork that reads normal. no doctor is prescribing shit for him.

from my experience, that test cycle taught me to 1 - only take test because i recover easy from it, 2 - keep it light and simple, 3 - learn and implement all the best training and diet methods i could and be great naturally. i think it would help.

whats an endo going to be able to do? hes got 2 blood samples that show he doesnt require medication. its not psychological. he got shut down and the ai's after made it 10 times worse. watcht he gyno, go 300mg a week and watch the mental and physical transformation. then do a heavy pct and see whats what.

if youve never experienced a complete loss of sex drive, you dont understand what he needs.

 

[micksnowdog]

a mate of mine had very similar problems and was diagnosed with depression.

 

[abomb555]

i speak from personal experience when recommending a light test cycle. he has killed his natural estrogen, its dead from all the inhibitors. he needs a jump start. a light test cycle will not hurt at all. it will actually make him feel better. hes got bloodwork that reads normal. no doctor is prescribing shit for him.

from my experience, that test cycle taught me to 1 - only take test because i recover easy from it, 2 - keep it light and simple, 3 - learn and implement all the best training and diet methods i could and be great naturally. i think it would help.

whats an endo going to be able to do? hes got 2 blood samples that show he doesnt require medication. its not psychological. he got shut down and the ai's after made it 10 times worse. watcht he gyno, go 300mg a week and watch the mental and physical transformation. then do a heavy pct and see whats what.

if youve never experienced a complete loss of sex drive, you dont understand what he needs.

this seems intriguing...except i dont see how that will fix natural e levels? sure some for the test will aromitize bringing it up but once he stops the levels are going to go right back right?

 

[timtim]

this seems intriguing...except i dont see how that will fix natural e levels? sure some for the test will aromitize bringing it up but once he stops the levels are going to go right back right?

they shouldnt if he does a normal pct and doesnt crush his estrogen with suicide inhibitors. gotta be careful with them. they do what they advertise, stop estrogen production. he did all these pcts without aas. his test levels werent high enough to warrant using the compounds as they were.

 

[HugeMenges]

I have had the same problem for 5 years. Still working on the solution. I have tried tons of supplements promoted by sponsors of these boards. All they have done is to make me feel good while im on, only to make me feel worse while off. I will be attempting to run a HCG cycle. It seem as though this might be the only thing that could possibly help. Good luck man, keep working on it.

Ive been to 4 different endos and they have told me that i was normal when i had a test level of 250 when i was 20! Doctors are brain dead idiots. 99% of them are doctors only because of the money and not because they want to help people. They are there to be salesman for the Pharmaceutical companies.

Im looking for a good endocrinologist to help me with HCG therapy but have only found one site with any information. Testosteronetherapy.com. I am very apprehensive about this site, and would love to know if anyone has any info about them.

They do the same HCG therapy similar to what is done for male fertility. Low/Medium does for 6 months. No antiestrogens. They seem sketchy though. I want to find a good doc on my own.

 

[Big_Joe]

anyone else? my symptoms are

no sex drive, difficulty achieving and maintaing erections, bad moods, depression, irritibility, anxiety, mild gyno, cant think clearly, bad quality of sleep, no morning wood ever

i ordered unleashed + TRS stack. if this doesnt work i dont know what to do....

i just want to return to a normal boner raging 20 year old....

I seriously doubt that a few weeks on a prohormone would cause this. There are other problems that will cause these symptoms. Diabetes comes to mind as well as clinical depression.

You need a good doctor. The folks here have just a little bit of knowledge about the endocrine system. So that's all they can think about. If the only tool you have is a hammer then everything looks like a nail. And please take note. The guy that sells hCG says "Don't forget your hCG." You are not in the right spot for good medical advice. If you want to ask how does one steroid work out when stacked with another you can get good info here but this isn't a general medicine clearing house.

 

[Burpees]

hows your social life otherwise? like you say you're never horny, but do you still have regular friends you don't want to exchange bodily fluids with?? have you ever taken an antidepressant?

 

[blooddrinker69]

PROVRION IS THE ANSWER TO ALL YOUR WILDEST DREAMS!!! I have had nothing but negative effects on my body sexually with juice. All the negative effects were very mild though. However, I included proviron in my last cycle and started popping wood like I was Peter North. Also, before I have sex I take a supplement called sexual surge. I have tried viagra and cialis and they do not do much for me other then increase in semen production. Sexual Surge is a supplement that is super intese. It turns any man into a sexual god. I used to bust in like 5 - 10 mins. With sexual surge I have rock hard wood for long times. I have sexual sessions lasting over an hour where I drench myself and the currrent victim witrh sweat. Also, Unleashed is cool start taking that every day on or off cycle. Add it into your vitamins. Thank me later. As for the moobs either get surgery diet hard and do lots of cardio and high reps. Good luck boss hog. I am a firm beleiver that some of test production is mental. If I convince myself I am the man of all men and king dingling..........