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BigCracker

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Mods, sorry for being a pain in the ass but I'm about to be a dad and I'm sweating like Flava Flav at a Klan Rally over my pitbull bitch being prego. Feel free to move this after I get a few serious responses. I'd have originally posted this in the proper forum, but I'm not sure if the Pitbull owners here on the AAS discussion board(there's quite a few) would see it there.

Anyway guys-what am I in for? I'd say she's around 5-7 weeks prego. Her nips started to grow/drop about 2 weeks ago. I'm seriously scared I'm gonna freak out when she goes into labor. I can handle gross shit, but I'm scared that I may panic since it's my own dog that I care about. All I know is stuff I read online. If you guys could give me 411 on your personal experiences I'd appreciate it. I basically need to know the care from birth to 6-8 wks. Thx.
 
man, Pits are natural survivors, can't anything stop them. they're freaking amazing. you really shouldn't have to do anything. `cept give her space. never know how she might act. especially if there are kids around...
 
i bred staffs which are english pits but i'm watchin the game right now. i'll tell you exactly what it was like later.
 
My brindle pit, Lillie is the best dog I've ever had, and I've had 50 plus. Her only two litters, were great. Eight pups the first time, and ten the second, all little hosses. Like HT said they pretty much handle it themselves, she barely whimpered and was a great mother. They'll probably look like you, though.... bummer.
 
dogs have been reproducing for many gazillion years without humn intervention. Why not let nature take its course. I would just lock her in an area that you dont mind getting a little gross and is easy to clean, but she will clean most of the stuff anyway. Eating the afterbirth etc sounds gross but it replenishes needed nutrition to her. Dont watch! Go drink beer. Chances are you will just get home some day and there they will be. You sound like a person having their own human child! LOL! I love my animals that much too though!
 
oh dear god, dont look up placenta eating on google
 
Go to game-dog.com a pitbull forum go down to dog discussion and hit health alot of good info there. I have 3 males when I bred one with my neighbors female was over there every day female does most of the work just make sure you get there shots.
 
it really isn't that gross aside from the mother eating all of the puppies shit and piss, and licking their asses after they go to the bathroom. that is how they get their nutrients. when they give birth its really not a big deal at all just some gross membranes but you will be fine. your bitch is gonna be super protective of those puppies too
 
Are bitches assholes when they're prego? She's kinda antsy to begin with but lately I feel like beasting her ass. Of course I don't, but the extra barking is fucking w/ me.
 
Hey, I used to breed Shitzu .

When a bitch was pregnant, I fed her lots of chicken livers. I cooked them for her. The added iron and such is great for her.

You will know when she is going to go into labor when she starts acting strange. If she is contracting hard and nothing is happening or if something looks like it is going wrong, rush her to the vet. Otherwise, just be there with her for the birth.

When they come out, the bitch should have the instinct to lick and chew off the sacks and the umbilical cords. My bitch did not do this the first time (she was scared shitless). So, I had to break all the sacks and cut all the little cords myself. So, make sure you have foreceps, peroxide and scissors for this, just in case.

The bitch should also lick their faces to clear mucos and allow them to take their first breaths and their genitalia so that they pee. Once again, my girl didn't do this, and I had to draw out mucous with a baby syringe and rub their genitalia the first time (no dirty jokes please...lol) I actually had to give one pup mouth-to-snout resusitation, but he did fine. =-)

Make sure you have a proper whelping box for her and then just look out for them to make sure it is kept clean, that mom is properly nursing all the pups, etc.

Make sure you get their shots on time. The get 3 series of shots as puppies. =-)

HTH
 
heatherrae said:
Hey, I used to breed Shitzu .

When a bitch was pregnant, I fed her lots of chicken livers. I cooked them for her. The added iron and such is great for her.

You will know when she is going to go into labor when she starts acting strange. If she is contracting hard and nothing is happening or if something looks like it is going wrong, rush her to the vet. Otherwise, just be there with her for the birth.

When they come out, the bitch should have the instinct to lick and chew off the sacks and the umbilical cords. My bitch did not do this the first time (she was scared shitless). So, I had to break all the sacks and cut all the little cords myself. So, make sure you have foreceps, peroxide and scissors for this, just in case.

The bitch should also lick their faces to clear mucos and allow them to take their first breaths and their genitalia so that they pee. Once again, my girl didn't do this, and I had to draw out mucous with a baby syringe and rub their genitalia the first time (no dirty jokes please...lol) I actually had to give one pup mouth-to-snout resusitation, but he did fine. =-)

Make sure you have a proper whelping box for her and then just look out for them to make sure it is kept clean, that mom is properly nursing all the pups, etc.

Make sure you get their shots on time. The get 3 series of shots as puppies. =-)

HTH
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lol @ the kettle...
 
BigCracker said:
Are bitches assholes when they're prego? She's kinda antsy to begin with but lately I feel like beasting her ass. Of course I don't, but the extra barking is fucking w/ me.
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Ah, give her a break. She feels weird and she doesn't really understand why. It would make you an asshole too if you felt like that...lol.
 
Certain rules hold true for any animal, so I'll pass the generic info on: the big thing is you want to PROVIDE her with a nesting box (you don't want her dropping them in your bed, on the sofa, or in some truly horrible place). You want to provide her a safe nesting area, out of the way, out of drafts, preferably in a room where you can close the door. They like areas that feel very secure, in corners, or in a corner with a large piece of furniture on one side is really great (like a cul de sac feel). As she gets closer to delivery date (WHY don't you know when she got pregnant?!? BAD daddy) you keep her enclosed in the nesting room as much as possible. Line the nest with newspaper for the birth, don't get fancy, just lay it out. After the messy stuff's over you pick that up and put some nice towels or sheets down (but just lay them out smooth, you don't want the pups getting tangled up and smothered) but no reason to screw the towels up until the pups are born, especially with a bigger breed.

For kittens the only "surgical" equipment I've ever needed was a nice towel and a sharp pair of scissors (in case the mom left the cord way too long. You don't want to cut it closer than 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch but you don't want it so long it gets in the way). I've always given kittens a nice brisk rubdown with the towel after they're born, made sure they're faces were clear, made sure they were breathing.

Some animals want you to hold their paw when they give birth ... some of them go fucking nuts and you're out of there, depends on what kind of bond you have with her.

Good luck.
 
musclemom said:
Certain rules hold true for any animal, so I'll pass the generic info on: the big thing is you want to PROVIDE her with a nesting box (you don't want her dropping them in your bed, on the sofa, or in some truly horrible place). You want to provide her a safe nesting area, out of the way, out of drafts, preferably in a room where you can close the door. They like areas that feel very secure, in corners, or in a corner with a large piece of furniture on one side is really great (like a cul de sac feel). As she gets closer to delivery date (WHY don't you know when she got pregnant?!? BAD daddy) you keep her enclosed in the nesting room as much as possible. Line the nest with newspaper for the birth, don't get fancy, just lay it out. After the messy stuff's over you pick that up and put some nice towels or sheets down (but just lay them out smooth, you don't want the pups getting tangled up and smothered) but no reason to screw the towels up until the pups are born, especially with a bigger breed.

For kittens the only "surgical" equipment I've ever needed was a nice towel and a sharp pair of scissors (in case the mom left the cord way too long. You don't want to cut it closer than 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch but you don't want it so long it gets in the way). I've always given kittens a nice brisk rubdown with the towel after they're born, made sure they're faces were clear, made sure they were breathing.

Some animals want you to hold their paw when they give birth ... some of them go fucking nuts and you're out of there, depends on what kind of bond you have with her.

Good luck.
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yeah, pretty much same except I like to have forceps to hold the cords if I have to cut them. They are really quite slippery...lol.

I used to like to use a kiddie pool for a whelping box. Worked out really well for me. Easy to clean. I didn't use sheets and towels. I just continued to use newspaper shreads, because it was so much easier to clean.
 
BigCracker said:
Are bitches assholes when they're prego? She's kinda antsy to begin with but lately I feel like beasting her ass. Of course I don't, but the extra barking is fucking w/ me.
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Are you the father? You having little crackers? Cracker Jacks perhaps? :worried:
 
heatherrae said:
yeah, pretty much same except I like to have forceps to hold the cords if I have to cut them. They are really quite slippery...lol.

I used to like to use a kiddie pool for a whelping box. Worked out really well for me. Easy to clean. I didn't use sheets and towels. I just continued to use newspaper shreads, because it was so much easier to clean.
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I never would have thought of a kiddie pool, but I've never midwifed dogs. With the really big breeds all you can really do is put down a big nest of newspaper in a closed room and hope for the best (my ex's Newfoundland had pups, he lost his entire bedroom for 8 weeks). Never noticed cord slipperiness but kittens are tiny when born, length of your palm (excluding fingers) at the most so as long as the scissors are sharp really no problems, it's like trimming a piece of yarn.
 
Welp(no pun intended), it happened. Strangely enough she only had 2 fem pups. Labor went fine. Delivered 2 pups over 6 hours. I brought her to the vet and got an x ray just to make sure no pups were left inside her. It was really strange how quiet she was during labor. She had the 1st pup 5 ft away from me and I didn't even know it until I heard squeaks from the little girl. The mom is kick ass. She actually waits for both pups to be asleep before she goes outside to pee. Here's pics-

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b169/bigcracker/pitbulls/chillaxin.jpg
 
BigCracker said:
Welp(no pun intended), it happened. Strangely enough she only had 2 fem pups. Labor went fine. Delivered 2 pups over 6 hours. I brought her to the vet and got an x ray just to make sure no pups were left inside her. It was really strange how quiet she was during labor. She had the 1st pup 5 ft away from me and I didn't even know it until I heard squeaks from the little girl. The mom is kick ass. She actually waits for both pups to be asleep before she goes outside to pee. Here's pics-

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b169/bigcracker/pitbulls/chillaxin.jpg
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AAWWWWWW.....SOOOOOO CUTE! I always think that little puppies look like mini cows in the face, don't you. Anyway, what a cute mommy and pups.
 
and before you stupid pit bull owners start crying just remember.......

EVERYONES PITBULL IS GENTLE AS A LAMB
TILL IT CHEWS THE NEIGHBOOR KIDS ARM OFF!
 
Deterass said:
and before you stupid pit bull owners start crying just remember.......

EVERYONES PITBULL IS GENTLE AS A LAMB
TILL IT CHEWS THE NEIGHBOOR KIDS ARM OFF!
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ignorant dumbass.
:rolleyes:
 
Deterass said:
and before you stupid pit bull owners start crying just remember.......

EVERYONES PITBULL IS GENTLE AS A LAMB
TILL IT CHEWS THE NEIGHBOOR KIDS ARM OFF!
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this is all up to the owner.......if he normalizes the animal around people, pit bulls have no issues. When you let pit bulls become dominant and territorial.........like they own the establishment, than you've got some serious problems.
 
redsamurai said:
this is all up to the owner.......if he normalizes the animal around people, pit bulls have no issues. When you let pit bulls become dominant and territorial.........like they own the establishment, than you've got some serious problems.
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I beleive you hit said nail on said head. :)
 
redsamurai said:
this is all up to the owner.......if he normalizes the animal around people, pit bulls have no issues. When you let pit bulls become dominant and territorial.........like they own the establishment, than you've got some serious problems.
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Thats not always that case.Any Pitbull can turn at any time.
 
Deterass said:
Thats not always that case.Any Pitbull can turn at any time.
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you can say that about ANY dog....it's just that pits can do something. If you are the dogs alpha male........than the chances are slim the dog fucks up. The only reason they attack is when they get territorial.......than they become dispicable little animals because they'll go for the small and weaker.....women and children. So I see your point.....I actually think dogs like that shouldn't be allowed in urban areas.
 
Deterass said:
Thats not always that case.Any Pitbull can turn at any time.
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And a cocker spaniel has the most recorded dog bites in the USA year after year. It's an animal no matter what the breed. The problem is the owner, plain and simple.
 
redsamurai said:
you can say that about ANY dog....it's just that pits can do something. If you are the dogs alpha male........than the chances are slim the dog fucks up. The only reason they attack is when they get territorial.......than they become dispicable little animals because they'll go for the small and weaker.....women and children. So I see your point.....I actually think dogs like that shouldn't be allowed in urban areas.
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I have no problem with the larger more agressive dogs being outside the city limits but the dumb assholes who tie a pitbull up in the back yard because he thinks its cool needs the shit beat of of him.
 
Deterass said:
I have no problem with the larger more agressive dogs being outside the city limits but the dumb assholes who tie a pitbull up in the back yard because he thinks its cool needs the shit beat of of him.
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Iagree with the owners who abuse the animal. I mean I would be kinda mean too if chained to a stake in the yard day after day.

I think we need harsher rules for the bad owners.
 
rykertest said:
And a cocker spaniel has the most recorded dog bites in the USA year after year. It's an animal no matter what the breed. The problem is the owner, plain and simple.
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Almost all the serious injuries and deaths from dogs each year come from Pitbull .
 
Deterass said:
I have no problem with the larger more agressive dogs being outside the city limits but the dumb assholes who tie a pitbull up in the back yard because he thinks its cool needs the shit beat of of him.
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100% in agreement
 
Hey DICKASS. You're just another internet tough guy hiding behind his pc blurtiung out ignorance. My dogs have never shown aggression towards humans or other animals-including my gf's asshole 15 lb Lhasa Apso(which bit my fingers on two occasions for trying to take it's squeak toy).

C'mon over to my house sometime and try walking through my front door-it's never locked. I assure you the dogs will be the least of your worries. I don't dial 911 either.
 
Deterass said:
Almost all the serious injuries and deaths from dogs each year come from Pitbull .
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Care to cite your source?

Don't bother.

You blast other people for "talking out their ass" that's all you've done.

Enjoy your nuke, you arrogant, ignorant, Australopithecine.
 
sardonicone said:
Care to cite your source?

Don't bother.

You blast other people for "talking out their ass" that's all you've done.

Enjoy your nuke, you arrogant, ignorant, Australopithecine.
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Here you go sweetie......The most attacks from pure breed dogs are from Pits you pathetic excuse for an E-bully.

This was a Gov study with incidents taken from the Humane society.


 
People, people, people ... I've posted this site before, but it's worthwhile posting it again. It's the facts and nothing but the facts about dog bites.

But in all fairness, you need to check this link which is cited in the article, but gives the actual details of dog bites:

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog Attacks 1982 to 2006 Clifton.pdf
 
45,000 people a year are bitten by snakes in the USA with about 15 deaths on average.

All snakes must die!

U.S. Motor-Vehicle Fatalities by Type and State
2002
Passenger Car Occupants1 Pickup, Utility Vehicle, and Van Occupants2 Large Truck Occupants Motorcyclists Pedestrians
State Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%)
Alabama 590 57 296 29 18 2 42 4 60 6
Alaska 29 33 25 29 18 21 12 14 14 16
Arizona 483 43 295 26 15 1 92 8 154 14
Arkansas 303 47 224 35 21 3 37 6 33 5
California 1,943 48 885 22 57 1 317 8 707 17
Colorado 323 44 252 34 8 1 71 10 69 9
Connecticut 170 53 47 15 3 1 44 14 50 16
Delaware 73 59 20 16 2 2 6 5 16 13
District of Columbia 27 57 4 9 2 4 7 15 7 15
Florida 1,433 46 699 22 43 1 304 10 487 16
Georgia 766 50 431 28 28 2 85 6 161 11
Hawaii 41 34 14 12 1 1 22 18 33 28
Idaho 118 45 101 38 6 2 11 4 15 6
Illinois 807 57 255 18 19 1 97 7 186 13
Indiana 448 57 174 22 16 2 86 11 53 7
Iowa 220 54 99 25 13 3 41 10 19 5
Kansas 282 55 148 29 10 2 30 6 23 4
Kentucky 499 55 260 28 17 2 44 5 55 6
Louisiana 394 45 271 31 15 2 66 8 93 11
Maine 125 58 55 25 2 1 13 6 14 6
Maryland 388 59 101 15 5 1 46 7 104 16
Massachusetts 252 55 78 17 1 0 58 13 59 13
Michigan 702 55 253 20 8 1 84 7 175 14
Minnesota 368 56 165 25 9 1 47 7 50 8
Mississippi 512 58 267 30 13 1 26 3 55 6
Missouri 631 52 358 30 23 2 57 5 87 7
Montana 97 36 125 46 5 2 24 9 14 5
Nebraska 159 52 97 32 14 5 15 5 12 4
Nevada 174 46 104 27 2 1 34 9 52 14
New Hampshire 78 61 26 20 2 2 12 9 6 5
New Jersey 331 43 71 9 7 1 41 5 178 23
New Mexico 168 37 153 34 17 4 31 7 60 13
New York 739 49 216 14 13 1 141 9 336 22
North Carolina 855 54 356 23 33 2 114 7 176 11
North Dakota 46 47 41 42 4 4 1 1 2 2
Ohio 858 61 281 20 21 1 131 9 87 6
Oklahoma 360 49 238 32 24 3 38 5 53 7
Oregon 213 49 127 29 4 1 26 6 48 11
Pennsylvania 962 60 292 18 20 1 132 8 153 9
Rhode Island 54 64 10 12 20 24 9 11 9 11
South Carolina 566 54 267 25 10 1 86 8 98 9
South Dakota 83 46 62 34 6 3 19 11 8 4
Tennessee 672 57 308 26 21 2 74 6 72 6
Texas 1,697 46 1,212 33 53 1 245 7 397 11
Utah 139 42 118 36 10 3 18 5 25 8
Vermont 45 58 21 27 1 1 5 6 4 5
Virginia 516 56 204 22 17 2 49 5 88 10
Washington 338 51 165 25 10 2 53 8 69 10
West Virginia 240 55 115 26 10 2 29 7 28 6
Wisconsin 449 56 186 23 7 1 78 10 50 6
Wyoming 70 40 72 41 6 3 12 7 4 2
U.S. Total 21,836 51 10,644 25 670 2 3,162 7 4,808 11
1. Includes minivans.

2. Includes cargo and large vans.


Since the vehicles cannot drive themselves, all drivers must be banned and put to death too. Or would you prefer just the top two states?
 
mountain muscle said:
45,000 people a year are bitten by snakes in the USA with about 15 deaths on average.

All snakes must die!

U.S. Motor-Vehicle Fatalities by Type and State
2002
Passenger Car Occupants1 Pickup, Utility Vehicle, and Van Occupants2 Large Truck Occupants Motorcyclists Pedestrians
State Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%)
Alabama 590 57 296 29 18 2 42 4 60 6
Alaska 29 33 25 29 18 21 12 14 14 16
Arizona 483 43 295 26 15 1 92 8 154 14
Arkansas 303 47 224 35 21 3 37 6 33 5
California 1,943 48 885 22 57 1 317 8 707 17
Colorado 323 44 252 34 8 1 71 10 69 9
Connecticut 170 53 47 15 3 1 44 14 50 16
Delaware 73 59 20 16 2 2 6 5 16 13
District of Columbia 27 57 4 9 2 4 7 15 7 15
Florida 1,433 46 699 22 43 1 304 10 487 16
Georgia 766 50 431 28 28 2 85 6 161 11
Hawaii 41 34 14 12 1 1 22 18 33 28
Idaho 118 45 101 38 6 2 11 4 15 6
Illinois 807 57 255 18 19 1 97 7 186 13
Indiana 448 57 174 22 16 2 86 11 53 7
Iowa 220 54 99 25 13 3 41 10 19 5
Kansas 282 55 148 29 10 2 30 6 23 4
Kentucky 499 55 260 28 17 2 44 5 55 6
Louisiana 394 45 271 31 15 2 66 8 93 11
Maine 125 58 55 25 2 1 13 6 14 6
Maryland 388 59 101 15 5 1 46 7 104 16
Massachusetts 252 55 78 17 1 0 58 13 59 13
Michigan 702 55 253 20 8 1 84 7 175 14
Minnesota 368 56 165 25 9 1 47 7 50 8
Mississippi 512 58 267 30 13 1 26 3 55 6
Missouri 631 52 358 30 23 2 57 5 87 7
Montana 97 36 125 46 5 2 24 9 14 5
Nebraska 159 52 97 32 14 5 15 5 12 4
Nevada 174 46 104 27 2 1 34 9 52 14
New Hampshire 78 61 26 20 2 2 12 9 6 5
New Jersey 331 43 71 9 7 1 41 5 178 23
New Mexico 168 37 153 34 17 4 31 7 60 13
New York 739 49 216 14 13 1 141 9 336 22
North Carolina 855 54 356 23 33 2 114 7 176 11
North Dakota 46 47 41 42 4 4 1 1 2 2
Ohio 858 61 281 20 21 1 131 9 87 6
Oklahoma 360 49 238 32 24 3 38 5 53 7
Oregon 213 49 127 29 4 1 26 6 48 11
Pennsylvania 962 60 292 18 20 1 132 8 153 9
Rhode Island 54 64 10 12 20 24 9 11 9 11
South Carolina 566 54 267 25 10 1 86 8 98 9
South Dakota 83 46 62 34 6 3 19 11 8 4
Tennessee 672 57 308 26 21 2 74 6 72 6
Texas 1,697 46 1,212 33 53 1 245 7 397 11
Utah 139 42 118 36 10 3 18 5 25 8
Vermont 45 58 21 27 1 1 5 6 4 5
Virginia 516 56 204 22 17 2 49 5 88 10
Washington 338 51 165 25 10 2 53 8 69 10
West Virginia 240 55 115 26 10 2 29 7 28 6
Wisconsin 449 56 186 23 7 1 78 10 50 6
Wyoming 70 40 72 41 6 3 12 7 4 2
U.S. Total 21,836 51 10,644 25 670 2 3,162 7 4,808 11
1. Includes minivans.

2. Includes cargo and large vans.


Since the vehicles cannot drive themselves, all drivers must be banned and put to death too. Or would you prefer just the top two states?
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You forgot the car makers themselves. I say we kill anyone working for ford GM.

It's easy for people to blame the dog and ignore all the other circumstances around it, specifically the owners. Yes these dogs are a responsibility, but it blows my mind that these dogs are treated like crap by ignorant owners, they bite someone (lets say for this debate outside their own home/yard) and the owners don't even get a slap on the wrist. The anti pit bull society (or whatever group is the flavor of the month) wants to ban dogs and does nothing about what got these dogs to be pissy little balls of hate to begin with!!! I mean seriously WTF?!?!?!?!?! Ever heard of cause and effect people? Stop blaming the end result and start looking at the begining of this isssue. How would you feel after being chained to a stake in your front yard for 2 years with no love, attention, ability to run and play and sometimes not even fed regularly? I'd be a bit perturbed if I do say so myself.

It's like with guns. Responsible gun owners (which FAR out weight the idiots and criminals) and chastised for owning guns and defending that freedom because of what some other ignorant fool does. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I say the same applies to these types of powerful breeds. I've had what is considered vicious breeds in the past and I'm looking to get some more since mine got old and had to be put down. My dogs never bit anyone, never snarled at anyone and were overall great dogs. WHY YOU ASK?????
Because I took the time to train and instruct this animal. WHY YOU ASK???
Because thats what a responsible person using the brain god gave them does. It's called doing the right thing.


I beleive that people with any felony or people with certain types of mist. such as assault and battery etc should not be allowed to own any type of dog over say 30 lbs, or to own pits, rotties, akita, german shepherds, etc. If they are caught with one, make the punishment harsh so it's an effective detterant. But nnnooooo; Americans want to frigin hug it out as opposed to actually enforcing the dadgum law.

Stop blaming a dog for what the owner does or does not do to it. :rolleyes:
 
mountain muscle said:
45,000 people a year are bitten by snakes in the USA with about 15 deaths on average.

All snakes must die!

...

U.S. Motor-Vehicle Fatalities by Type and State
Since the vehicles cannot drive themselves, all drivers must be banned and put to death too. Or would you prefer just the top two states?
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A very valid point.

Please don't misinterpret what I was attempting to express. I'm not saying yay or nay for any dog breed. I did animal rescue for way too many years. Any animal that has teeth can bite, short and sweet, and that includes humans. Biting neither makes any animal bad nor good, for animals can be nothing other than what they are, which is what their genetics predispose them to be and their environment (their humans) teaches/trains them to be.

It is the height of stupidity and stubborn blindness to deny that specific breeds of dogs are more prone to bite incidents, short and sweet. Guard or defensive breeds are responsible for more bite incidents, that doesn't make the dogs wrong, that makes their owners stupid, ignorant or inattentive.

If you own a dog breed that has a reputation for being aggressive you have a responsibility to do what is necessary to ensure that dog does not present a threat to people. If you are not willing to take those steps, then you should not own that dog.

However, I have seen people do very stupid, stupid things. My father owned two very aggressive german shepards, they were NEVER locked inside the house (they had free run between a fenced yard and a shed that had a dog door). The ONLY time someone was EVER bitten was when we took the dog to a stable and a stranger reached to pet my father's dog. THREE people screamed "DO NOT TOUCH THAT DOG!" and the person looked right at us and said, "But he's wagging his tail." and proceeded to pet the dog, and got bitten. Now, who's at fault? The owner of the dog who was saying, "Do not touch that dog." or the person who was bitten because he chose to ignore the warning that he was placing himself in danger?
 
musclemom said:
A very valid point.

Please don't misinterpret what I was attempting to express. I'm not saying yay or nay for any dog breed. I did animal rescue for way too many years. Any animal that has teeth can bite, short and sweet, and that includes humans. Biting neither makes any animal bad nor good, for animals can be nothing other than what they are, which is what their genetics predispose them to be and their environment (their humans) teaches/trains them to be.

It is the height of stupidity and stubborn blindness to deny that specific breeds of dogs are more prone to bite incidents, short and sweet. Guard or defensive breeds are responsible for more bite incidents, that doesn't make the dogs wrong, that makes their owners stupid, ignorant or inattentive.

If you own a dog breed that has a reputation for being aggressive you have a responsibility to do what is necessary to ensure that dog does not present a threat to people. If you are not willing to take those steps, then you should not own that dog.

However, I have seen people do very stupid, stupid things. My father owned two very aggressive german shepards, they were NEVER locked inside the house (they had free run between a fenced yard and a shed that had a dog door). The ONLY time someone was EVER bitten was when we took the dog to a stable and a stranger reached to pet my father's dog. THREE people screamed "DO NOT TOUCH THAT DOG!" and the person looked right at us and said, "But he's wagging his tail." and proceeded to pet the dog, and got bitten. Now, who's at fault? The owner of the dog who was saying, "Do not touch that dog." or the person who was bitten because he chose to ignore the warning that he was placing himself in danger?
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Good points MM.

Another page from the website you posted the link from that people need to read.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite
 
Here you go sweetie said:
......The most attacks from pure breed dogs are from Pits you pathetic excuse for an E-bully.

This was a Gov study with incidents taken from the Humane society.
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Deterass said:
Almost all the serious injuries and deaths from dogs each year come from Pitbull
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I fail to see how that study proves the second quote, at all.

Want to examine the terms you used?

A dictionary said:
Almost: nearly

not exactly, not yet, or not in fact, but very close to being or happening as described
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another dictionary said:
All: The Whole of

adjective used to indicate that the whole of a particular amount, area, quantity, or thing is involved or affected.
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I’d say that means to be “almost all” you need to have an overwhelming majority of the bites be from Pit Bulls.

IF one decides to, oh I don’t know, DO the math on the nice little graphic you so erroneously displayed (thinking it would help your cause, it doesn’t) you come up with Pit Bulls being responsible for 66/244 (or 238, your image cuts off so I can’t tell if the “T” symbol is for crossbreeds being counted twice) of all reported dog “attacks” from the years 1979-1998.

Now, as we’ve all learned division, let’s see what that percentage adds up to, shall we?

66/238 (I’ll use the lower number, allowing that some were crossbreeds of other dogs on that list) = 27.7% of all reported Dog Bites were Caused by a Pitbull.

Hell, even if we break it down to just including purebred dog bites, as you decided to change your own criteria to try and strengthen your argument, we get 66/180 out of all Purebred Bites (or 36.6%).

Where does this “almost all” bs come in?

Here, I know, let’s do another fun thing with numbers, shall we?

We get 66 reported incidents over the span of 20 years. What does that add up to?

3.3 incidents a year. How many Pitbull dogs do you think are in the United States? Care to take a guess? If there are roughly 50 million dogs in the United States, how many are pitbulls? 1%? 5%? Even at 1 percent, you’re looking at 50 THOUSAND pit bulls running around. 3.3 attacks per year against a population of 50 thousand plus? Man, I’d say that isn’t so bad.

In 1998 alone there were an estimated 8.1 million Americans were victims of violent crimes. So that’s what, 1 in 30-35? Pit Bull attacks were what, 1 in 15,000? Maybe should worry more about human attacks, eh?



(Crime statistics provided here= http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s229/s229.html)



Ok, and just to clear up any remaining idiotic conceptions about the big, bad Pit Bull

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/signatures/396786588?page=37&ltl=1170116224

Good post on this petition, search for the term “million” till you hit “tanker danker”’s post.

Very insightful, and yes, he does cite a lot of his sources.

http://www.fataldogattacks.com/

This is a better statistical analysis of the tripe you tried to pass off as proof of your bad theorem then I have the time and/or inclination to do so at the moment.

I believe this is where I’m supposed to tell you to STFU, though, admittedly, there’s no need.
 
MM hit it on the head.

I think that people have demonized pit bulls, especially, and some other breeds as well. Truth of the matter is that some breeds were originally "fighting" breeds a long time ago. Now, responsible breeders tend to breed for good disposition and temperament, along with good health. However, there are always going to be mean and irresponsible breeder and owners who try to be macho by making these dogs behave badly. Then, there are weak owners who don't know how to handle dogs who tend toward dominance. Either type of owner can be an accident waiting to happen.

No breed is inherently a bad breed. Pit Bulls, bull dogs, chows, and some others require an owner who knows how to be the alpha dog. To say the breed should be outlawed is extremist and alarmist. Education is what would make sense. Also, extremely harsh laws against dog fighting would help.

Every owner of a strong breed like that should take classes to understand how to handle that breed.
 
PitBulls are not naturally aggressive towards humans. Other dogs... Yeah. Not humans though.



-BRR
 
Another thing that you have to consider is that no one is probably going to report a dog bite from a Yorkie cause it doesn't f'ing hurt...lol.
 
heatherrae said:
Another thing that you have to consider is that no one is probably going to report a dog bite from a Yorkie cause it doesn't f'ing hurt...lol.
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Sigworthy.

I need to really start compiling a list of good quotes from the people around here and toss them into my signature or profile.

Or both.
 
Big Rick Rock said:
PitBulls are not naturally aggressive towards humans. Other dogs... Yeah. Not humans though.



-BRR
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A fighting dog that bits a human is usually immedately put down so that genetic trait can't be passed on. A fighting dog that bites a human is worthless to a gamedog man because they are in the pit with the dogs constantly. Therefore fighting pits were actually specifically bred not to bite humans-which is more than can be said about german shepards, rotts, and dobermans that have been trained to bite humans in Schutzund and LE training fpr generations..
 
LMAO at comparing snake bites to owning Pitbulls...........passenger car fatalities and Shitzu bites. :rolleyes:

WTF people........whens the last time a Poodle or a Shitzu maimed a child?

Anyone that denies the fact that Pitbulls are more prone to causing death and dismemberment than any other breed is a fuckin idiot.
 
Deterass said:
LMAO at comparing snake bites to owning Pitbulls...........passenger car fatalities and Shitzu bites. :rolleyes:

WTF people........whens the last time a Poodle or a Shitzu maimed a child?

Anyone that denies the fact that Pitbulls are more prone to causing death and dismemberment than any other breed is a fuckin idiot.
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Oh, I can go even smaller than either of those breeds, how does Pomeranian hit you, bear in mind, we're talking 3 to 7 pounds of pure fluff:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/10/09/pomeranian.kills.ap/

Okay, had to go to the year 2000 but I don't usually memorize dog bite incidents.

Like I said, ANYTHING that has teeth can bite, and the fact is, theoretically ANY dog can potentially present a danger. All it takes is one incident, it may be the ONLY incident ever in that dog's life, but shit happens unfortunately. What a lot of fuzzy headed people don't grasp is that animals are not people. You cannot expect them to act like people or think like people (you would be astounded at some of the shit I've heard people say about their pets).
 
musclemom said:
Oh, I can go even smaller than either of those breeds, how does Pomeranian hit you, bear in mind, we're talking 3 to 7 pounds of pure fluff:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/10/09/pomeranian.kills.ap/

Okay, had to go to the year 2000 but I don't usually memorize dog bite incidents.

Like I said, ANYTHING that has teeth can bite, and the fact is, theoretically ANY dog can potentially present a danger. All it takes is one incident, it may be the ONLY incident ever in that dog's life, but shit happens unfortunately. What a lot of fuzzy headed people don't grasp is that animals are not people. You cannot expect them to act like people or think like people (you would be astounded at some of the shit I've heard people say about their pets).
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Thats a freak accident........how shocked would you be to see on the news that a Pit rips the arm off a neighboor kid? Not very

My argument is simple,Pitbulls and Rotts are very dangerous dogs that has caused more deaths and dismemberment that any other full breed.
 
Deterass said:
Thats a freak accident........how shocked would you be to see on the news that a Pit rips the arm off a neighboor kid? Not very

My argument is simple,Pitbulls and Rotts are very dangerous dogs that has caused more deaths and dismemberment that any other full breed.
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To blame it on the dog is unreasonable. Properly bred/owned/trained/controlled aggressive dogs should present no more danger than any other animal. The problem is that people who have no business owning ANY animal get these dogs, and nine times out of ten they do things to foster the animal's natural aggression, and finally they don't have the dogs properly confined/controlled.

There are MANY dogs that are considered "Fighting" breeds. They all have the potential to be every bit as aggressive, if not more so, than a pitbull or a rottweiler. The thing is, pitts and rotties are easy to come by because you got assholes who have no business breeding dogs churning out puppies wholesale. In the relative scheme of things, however, they are not the most aggressive of dogs. The fact is, the really large, aggressive, ones are too damn dangerous to ever be bred on a large scale.

What you have to understand is the problem with aggressive animals is not the animals, its the owners and the environment the dogs are kept in.
 
Deterass said:
LMAO at comparing snake bites to owning Pitbulls...........passenger car fatalities and Shitzu bites. :rolleyes:

WTF people........whens the last time a Poodle or a Shitzu maimed a child?

Anyone that denies the fact that Pitbulls are more prone to causing death and dismemberment than any other breed is a fuckin idiot.
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The only idiot I currently see in this thread is you.

Read back to your first few posts, you keep changing your viewpoint ever so slightly to give the pretence that you're right about something.

It's utterly pathetic. Quit dodging my post and try and give a coherent rebuttal, if you can.
 
sardonicone said:
The only idiot I currently see in this thread is you.

Read back to your first few posts, you keep changing your viewpoint ever so slightly to give the pretence that you're right about something.

It's utterly pathetic. Quit dodging my post and try and give a coherent rebuttal, if you can.
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LMAO......my view point has never changed. I simply meant that statistically
Pitbulls are the most dangerous (full breed) dogs in these United States.

Do you not agree with this statement?

Now go fuck your Mother.
 
Deterass said:
LMAO at comparing snake bites to owning Pitbulls...........passenger car fatalities and Shitzu bites. :rolleyes:

WTF people........whens the last time a Poodle or a Shitzu maimed a child?

Anyone that denies the fact that Pitbulls are more prone to causing death and dismemberment than any other breed is a fuckin idiot.
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WTF read the links.

About the pomeranian that killed a child.

Your logic is flawed on this issue.

I'll add this because of your comments. Anyone who thinks a breed should be punished for the ineptitude of humans is truely an imbecile.
 
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Deterass said:
Almost all the serious injuries and deaths from dogs each year come from Pitbull .
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true, we won't even insure a house if you have a pit bull, a few others on the list but that is one of the top 3
 
pits, doberman's and chows.....can't get insurance in Louisiana except through the state fair plan and even then you can NOT get liability coverage!
 
Deterass said:
LMAO......my view point has never changed. I simply meant that statistically
Pitbulls are the most dangerous (full breed) dogs in these United States.

Do you not agree with this statement?

Now go fuck your Mother.
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Do I need to show you YOUR OWN IDOITIC POSTS?

You stated most attacks come from pit bulls. That's not true. Now you can say *more* attacks come from pit bulls than other breeds. But again, that may not be true.

A more accurate statement would be that pit bull attacks over the past 20 years have been reported more often than any other individual breed of dog.

You never bothered to post that, and instead, have jumped around the issue as I've made you look like the utter fool you are.

Oh, and nice that you had to go to "Mom Jokes" since your tired, clichéd, and ignorant ass doesn't have a proverbial leg to stand on.

Tell you what, how about I throw something shiny your way? That should keep you occupied for hours.
 
Deterass said:
WTF people........whens the last time a Poodle or a Shitzu maimed a child?

Anyone that denies the fact that Pitbulls are more prone to causing death and dismemberment than any other breed is a fuckin idiot.
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Check out the pics of non pitbull attacks in this video.
 
ksharp01 said:
pits, doberman's and chows.....can't get insurance in Louisiana except through the state fair plan and even then you can NOT get liability coverage!
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Prejudices often stem from ignorance.
 
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