PGF2A Users: Opinions on the drug: Poll

[HugeWannabe]

Please vote for the pole and write a post about your experience with the drug. i have done a lot of searches and found some experiences but I want to use this thread to collect as many of them as possible.

Please post how you used i, with what else you used it with, how much you used, the sides you experienced and your results.

 

[HugeWannabe]

Bump for the night PGF2A users, lets hear it!

 

[HugeWannabe]

Bump

 

[Jeff_rys]

Huge you forget a small thing

It only kills fat, no real muscle gains for keeps, so it is difficult to vote.
So yes, it is a great drug if used for killing the fat permanently.
No, it sucks for muscle growth. But if you want fat loss and definition, then it's a nice, painfull tool.

Another + is that you can beat the pain, get used to it. But another drawback = maybe it causes cancer when used to long.

Jeff

 

[HugeWannabe]

I want to use it for fat loss and not for msucle!

 

[HugeWannabe]

bump, anyone else

 

[perfectspecimen]

I have used pgf before and am using it again.

its only real use is for fat loss. the muscle gains disappear.

the fat loss is forever.

one recommendation. instead of little .2cc shots all around the nipple its much more effective if you combine all those shots and put them into one shot in a certain spot. anything under .5cc wont do too much compared to one shot of .5cc. shoot it everyday in a new spot. and 45 min after you eat.

 

[HugeWannabe]

so perfectspecimen you just shoot .5 cc's ED in a new place once?

 

[HugeWannabe]

bump, sorry to bump this so much but there are very few pgf2a users out there and I want to know their experiences/dosing of this drug

 

[Big Brother Val]

Re: Huge you forget a small thing

It only kills fat, no real muscle gains for keeps, so it is difficult to vote.
So yes, it is a great drug if used for killing the fat permanently.
No, it sucks for muscle growth. But if you want fat loss and definition, then it's a nice, painfull tool.

Another + is that you can beat the pain, get used to it. But another drawback = maybe it causes cancer when used to long.

Jeff

Just listen to Jeff. The man is in the know.

You can do just as much, if not more, using other compounds, and take less shots, get less sides...

The pain does ease up... but it's like getting accustomed to eating shit... sure... you may get used to the taste... but why the hell would you wanna eat it, when you can eat something else?

 

[HugeWannabe]

hmm the poll results seem to note be too good, I just order 90MLs so i will post my experiences!

 

[The Ranger]

I agree with Jeff, however I did gain size on my arms...BUT as Jeff said...it leaned me out VERY nicely in the end....

Pain was rather unique I must say....heh heh heh

Ranger

 

[jboldman]

had two bottles of this, used one up, threw the other out! Makes you feel like crap, no real muscle gain and I noticed no fat loss other than that caused by being on the toilet all the time! Not recommended!

 

[HugeWannabe]

wow, thats not too comforting, why would this drug kill fat cells in some people and have absolutely no affect on another? I guess it upto the administration and body. Anyone else?

 

[BBBodie]

Would you mind humoring a newbie? What's the chemical structure and compound of PGF? What's the acronym stand for? and a little bit of history etc. might be nice<smile>.....as a newbie learning on his first cycle, this sounds interesting and I'd like more information (feel free to PM me).

Bodie

 

[Parabellum]

I used pfg2a in the past, I actually never got through the whole bottle.

I first started by what was recomended by some of the pfg2a users, do a search there is a lot of great information.

I started with a 1/4 cc in shoulders in the morning. I varied locations and increased teh dosage very slowly. I did a AM and PM shots, none in the afternoon because I have to work.

What really sucked is that I would do the am shot at 6am and then shit for about 20 min, the pain in the injection spot faded and got more and more bearable after a little while. I would feel like shit up until around 11am. I was afraid to eat anything at that time because I couldn't afford to run to the bathroom whenever I wanted to.

The PM shots were easier for me since I would shoot it, shit and then go to sleep.

 

[HugeWannabe]

I am worried about the shits as well but I am determined to tough this one out! I am going to use pepto bismol and try a variety of things to avoid the shits. Bill Roberts from Meso RX.com recommends adding insulin to avoid the shits. I did a lot of research on this and found it would be just too much work because of the complicated administration of slin and the dangers associated with it. I would have to drasticallty alter my diet to add it in.

This is the post that describes the problems that I found with adding slin/ a slin booster like glipizide.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131547

 

[HugeWannabe]

If anyone else has any other tips for minimizing the sides of pgf2a please post them here

 

[HugeWannabe]

If you have done both PGF2A and DNP or just DNP but have done short and long cycles please comment on your experience using this poll: http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131054


The poll asks you to choose between dnp short cycle / dnp long cycle / pgf2a

Here are some more PGF2A Experiences that I have collected from this board and others:

PGF2A Report by Ranger:


PROSTAGLANDIN'S! Prostaglandin F2 Alpha (PGF2A) Lutalyse


Is PGF2A for me?


Is PGF2A for everyone? Clearly not! Will it work? Yes! In this
information, I will try to cover as much as possible about this drug. What I
have put together here is based much upon personal experiences…. I feel
no report can accurately prepare you for everything…. PGF2A is no
exception! Contributing to this report are Big Brother Val, Ranger, Jeff rys,
BigDawg, and E2, from the Elite Fitness Discussion board Mr. Nobody,
and Efigy…. Thank you all for your patience!


PGF2A and anabolism.


Many studies have demonstrated an anabolic effect of PGF2A in skeletal
muscles of both humans and animals. Paradoxically, PGF2A usage is still
reserved to a bodybuilding elite and no one is willing to divulge its
precious secret edge. One of the most remarkable effects of PGF2A is
that it potentates the anabolic effects of insulin. By combining PGF2A,
and insulin athletes can use much less insulin and get a much better
muscle building effect than with insulin alone.


Is PGF2A safe?


The answer is clearly no, but neither is the use of steroids, insulin,
clenbuterol, etc. By the way, PGF2A is invisible at any drug test. What
kind of side effects to expect? The main side effect -- if we exclude
the elevation of temperature - is a strong laxative effect. So make sure
you have unrestricted use of a bathroom. This lasts around 20 minutes.
What you do not want is to inject PGF2A into a vein! Learn to do the
aspiration test. PGF2A is injected intramuscularly with an insulin needle
if you are lean enough. Injecting in a vein will hurt like hell and for
a very long time (up to an hour). You may feel as if you have a cold in
your throat. This is due to the vasoconstriction effect PGF2A has in
the lungs. Vomiting is a reported side effect but I have never heard of
it in men.


PGF2A is not to be confused with steroids.


Although part of the anabolic actions of androgens are from a local
release of PGF2A. PGF2A produces growth in a radically different way from
steroids -- While steroid use is rather comfortable. PGF2A is used in a
radically different way than Anabolic and Androgenic Steroids. With AS
You inject or swallow them occasionally and wait for the growth to
occur. This is not the case with PGF2A. PGF2A's main drawback is its
difficult method of administration. Steroids once injected exert their effect
for several days in the body. PGF2A's duration is only several minutes
though its stimulatory action on anabolism lasts several hours. This
means that to be effective, frequent injections are compulsory. An ideal
injection schedule would be five times daily, 30 minutes after meals.
You will also notice immediately after injecting PGF2A into the muscle,
the injection site becomes sore almost immediately. If the muscle was
already sore from training, the pain may become intense. You defini!
tely do not want to repeat injections to the same location, hence the
necessity of rotation. Additionally, you will notice you cannot inject
into a muscle and then train that muscle. PGF2A is algesic (a pain
mediator). Therefore, the timing of injections is key. You should wait for
at least 2 to 3 days after you have trained a muscle before using it for
an injection. Then you will have to wait for 24 hours before training
this muscle. Again If your muscle is sore, I advise not injecting into
it until it is not sore. You will also learn that it is more comfortable
to inject the outer part of the muscle rather than the inner part. For
example, it is less painful to hit the outer head of the triceps than
the inner head that touches the lats. Some bodyparts such as the biceps
and back are especially sensitive to the pain sensation PGF2A will
induce.



The personals!!!


This section contains a lot of personal experiences, and side effects
with this new drug…


Big Brother Val!


According to Val pumps are INSANE! In addition, Val, as the rest of us
found; needed the unrestricted use of the bathroom…Does it hurt? In
Val's words, " This shit is awesome…Hurts like fucking hell!" As Val
stayed with the injections, and SLOWLY increased the dosage, we got a report
from him at the 2-week point of the cycle. Injections and dosages
varied, but I will relate this as Val told it, " Hitting the arms 12 times a
day….3 in each Biceps, 3 in each Triceps, for a total of 6cc's a day. I
am being burned out on injecting myself so often, especially in the
Biceps. The pain is reducing now, and I do not feel sick. Still get
shortness of breath, and tightness in the chest each time. There is a visible
difference in growth thus far, and my body fat has dropped
significally." As you can see, and as most of us found, the injections become a
major burden to deal with, the benefit though, is the visible growth all
of us have saw…it is a very hard choice. This was taken off the E!
litefitness Board as one of Big Brother Val's Post's! I was injecting
my arms 4 times a week. It went like this: Sun:..shoot/arms......
lift/rest Mon:..shoot/shoulders..lift/arms, pump/chest
Tues:.shoot/shoulders..lift/back, pump/shouders Wed:..shoot/shoulders..lift/legs
Thurs.shoot/arms.......lift/chest, pump/arms Fri:..shoot/arms.......lift/shoulders,
pump/calves Sat:..shoot/arms.......lift/rest Then repeat. I've switched
it up a bit, and have found a lot better response... in a matter of a
few days, I have new stretch marks starting on my tri's... and my arms
have never felt so full. Now my lifting schedule is the same. However, I
switched up the dosage on PGF2A. I read in the articles by Dharkam that
you should shoot 24 hours before training a muscle... then wait 2 days
after that to shoot it again. Maybe even three days if you train hard
enough. I personally have found that if I shoot the muscle group the
same day I train it... that my lifts go better... my pumps are abso!
lutely incredible... and I keep my pump a lot longer, as well as feel
more pumped the next couple of days. Now I follow this schedule:
Sun:..shoot/arms...... lift/rest Mon:..shoot/ARMS.......lift/arms, pump/chest
Tues:.shoot/shoulders..lift/back, pump/shouders
Wed:..shoot/shoulders..lift/legs Thurs.shoot/arms.......lift/chest, pump/arms
Fri:..shoot/SHOULDERS.......lift/shoulders, pump/calves
Sat:..shoot/arms.......lift/rest Then repeat. Val wrote "It's only a switch of two days... but for my
personal results it's really working great. On arm day, I take six cc's
throughout the day. I will up the dosage coming up next week, and see
how that goes. My side effects are gone... besides the odd feeling in
the chest... and the intense muscle pain. Just thought I would give an
update for those interested in this." I have just come off a Sustanon,
Eq. cycle... and will be doing a cycle of test, Eq, and Dbol after my
PGF2A run. The pain sucks, absolutely. However, I want to focus on my !
arms and deltas, so they can catch up. A lot harder to do on regular
gear. "My poundage's are definitely affected. Not nearly as dramatic as
stated in that article, though. I was curling 65 lb. dumbbells for eight
reps before I started this. Now I'm curling 45 lb. dumbbells and hoping
for eight. The pump is insane." "One of the great things, is that you
can REALLY feel the muscle working. Really, helps to focus on that
muscle group and feel it work throughout the entire range of motion. The
pain factor is intense... and the muscle REALLY burns bad while training
it. More so when you shoot on the same day you train it. That feeling
isn't as intense if you stop shooting that muscle 24 hours before you
train it." "I'm never sore after a workout the following day, but hot damn
am I sore after each shot." "Well.... the muscle pain you experience is
INTENSE!! Right now for example... I hit arms on my lunch break... (got
the most incredible pump I have EVER had, by the way), came bac!
k, and shot in the bathroom. My arms hurt so badly right now, I can't
explain it. Can't bend 'em very well, or straighten them all the way....
I have a tight feeling in the chest... Nevertheless, GODDAMN!!! This is
the biggest my arms have EVER looked!! IT'S FUCKIN' INSANE!! I
literally cannot put on the shirt I was wearing before break... it won't
stretch enough to fit on my arms!!"

 

[HugeWannabe]

continued!

Jeff rys!


After 4 to 5 weeks of PGF2A injections, Jeff reported the following to
me. " I'm doing 8 shots a day at .5cc. Left Biceps, Right Biceps would
equal one full cc. I am fed up with the numerous injections, and if I
can overcome being fed up with the needle, I will inject more. As for
the results, ½ on arms when flexed. I did shoulders as well, and they are
thicker. I did some injecting in the abs, by pulling the skin up, and
injecting. The site turned red, in a spot of around 3 square inches. I
am now injecting into the muscle of the abs, but this is dangerous
because you may pass through and hit an organ. I only inject abs once a
week, and the site gets thick, as if a vein is iriated. It is not a vein,
but it feels like it. I have dropped 11 pounds, and everyone says how
good I look…. I tried lower back, and chest as well, not much results,
but I think it works best if you inject in the same spot a lot more. I
feel it's a good alternative to steroids…But, I don't know how safe i!
t is."


PGF2A and weak bodyparts.


The cardinal rule of PGF2A is to inject as far away as possible from
the intestines, PGF2A induces a very strong contraction of the intestine
and the bladder (both smooth muscles). Bodybuilders found the best
injection site was the front shoulder. But by repeating injections
frequently in the shoulders, bodybuilders soon ended up with grossly
overdeveloped front delt's. They looked like walking monkeys. The rest of their
body was growing too, but not as fast as the muscles closest to the
Injections site. What this means is that PGF2A is ideal for developing a
lagging muscle, just inject PGF2A locally and watch! The muscle grows.
And, the increased in size is real muscle growth and not artificial
swelling like Synthol or Esiclene would induce. The calves are another
obvious muscle of choice. In fact, even if your calves have failed to grow
no matter how much you have trained them, PGF2A will Solve your problem.
After a single cycle of PGF2A, unresponsive calves start to respond!
, even if they never did before! The localized growth induced by PGF2A
may appear magical, but there is a Simple explanation. The Life Cycle
of the injected PGF2A is terribly short (minutes). In minutes, most of
it will be destroyed by the lungs.If you hit your right calf for
example, the muscle is exposed to a Maximum Concentration of PGF2A. As the
prostaglandin dissipates and passes into the Blood, it quickly reaches the
lungs where most of it is destroyed. What is remaining Is dispersed
evenly though the entire body. This limited dispersed means that other
muscles away from the injection site will be Exposed to far less of the
Anabolic effects of PGF2A. So unless you only want to make a weak body
pant grow, you Should rotate the Sites of injections frequently. Let us
continue with other personal experiences!


Efigy!


Okay, here's my info: 1/2 cc in both body parts (1cc total)at a time.
biceps morning, triceps noon, delt's night. this is my third day. about
5 min. after injection stinging in bodypart. about 10 min. after
injection coughing and "weird feeling" in my lungs, numb lips, intense waves
of pain in the body part injected. about 20-30 min. after injection
slight to moderate urge to shit, not that bad though, no running to
bathroom. One and ½ to two hours after injection all bad sides are gone.
pleasant pump/pain in bodypart. I am noticing a big difference already! Oh
yea! I almost forgot, major chills and feeling VERY cold about 10 min.
after and lasts about 30 min.


BIGDAWG!


What's up guys.. as we speak, I'm on my first dose of PGF2A. It was a
little fucked up how it happened so I will just explain from the
beginning. I decided to try the DMSO method first. I guess I am just curious
like that. I put 1/4 of a cc on each gauze pad and some DMSO gel. I had
my wife tape the shit to my shoulders and I waited. It got warm, and I
was light- headed as well. I felt weird once it was absorbing and the
DMSO gets warm! I'm not sure if its that or the PGF2A, but whatever. I
did 1/4 of a cc because I just wanted to test it out a little. Well,
after having it on there for like 30 minutes, I said fuck it, loaded
another one up with 1/4 cc, and put them on my bicep's. Therefore, as I am
typing this I have the pads on both areas and I am heating up rather
warm. From what my boy tells me, the gel takes a little while to absorb,
so I am giving it some time. I will say, my biceps's feel much-pumped
right now. Kinda cool. He also told me, what he noticed was with the D!
MSO, its like a more "all around" growth, where as with the pin, its
like a peak growth. Not all around means the whole body. It means the
whole muscle you put it on. He explained to me how the vessel's work, this
dudes like a medical student, so I trust him. Fuck I gotta shit. Hang
on! Ok I am back. Goddamn did not even see that one coming! Ok I just
took off the deltoid pads; it has been almost an hour now. Well it looks
like a big ass rash on my deltoids now. In addition, its WARM. The
biceps's are still kicking full force now. I think the dose is the thing
that determines the whole shit your pants thing and all just hope I get
some results. My biceps are pumped! In addition, my veins are coming out
like crazy from my BI's on down. Well, I am gonna go for now. Next time
I will try the inject. Fuck, I can't wait for that shit! Okay, after
reading over the Ranger's e-mail to me a couple of times I said fuck it
and got up the balls to do it. I don't know why, but I was like, R!
EALLY thinking it was going to be BAD. So after some prepping and all I
had my wife stick my delts. when she injected, I didn't feel
shit..nothing. in fact, I almost thought my shit was bunk..lol then I got light
headed..like a paint high. then I felt a little soreness in the sites. I
was waiting for the other sides and I got a couple cramps in the
stomach and that was about it. now please keep in mind, I get explosive shits
all the time.. I think my body was laughing at the PGF2A, McDonalds is
worse. hehe As time went on ,I began to get more sore.. like I had did
a BIG set of laterals I guess. Once the soreness starts, the short
breath came. not too bad though.. I only felt it when I TRIED to breathe in
hard. after that all sets in, nothing else happened.. I coughed a few
times but that's it. If this is what's its like ,then I shouldn't have a
problem with this. Not for the results, it's supposed to give. Ranger's
right on this one.. after everything I read, I was waiting for!
it to be PURE HELL, but this is not the case. I will now retract my
statement about the taking a shit part. I had a FULL stomach on my last
inject, in fact I had just eaten a mcflurry well, at first I got a
little rumble down there so I grabbed my favorite car audio magazine and
went to town. the rumble was followed by some NASTY unloading, lets just
say I made a swamp. fuck it though, I felt lean as a mofo once it was
over! the burning/pain part isn't shit, on the delts at least, I'm sure
the BI's would be worse but I'm not worried about it. I guess I was
thinking it would be like REAL bad,but its not. as for injecting, I've sort
of came up with my own little schedule. I figure this week I want to
hit triceps and shoulders. so one-day ill do my tri's twice and shoulders
once, then the next day ill change that around. this way they are
getting hit twice one day and once the next day. I can't think of another
way to do it without injecting like way more. The injects aren't bad!
at all, I could stand it like 5 times a day, but I don't have the time
to take that many 45 min shits. Ranger, man my fucking lips get numb
now! LOL the good thing is, I'm getting used to the sides now, and they
don't bother me. it did bother me last night when my wife hit a nerve in
my tricep. here is a list of my experience so far.. 1. the inject, no
pain unless she hits the nerve.. ouch 2. slight sting on injection spot
3. begin to feel warm.. a little dizzy 4. get small cramps in stomach
5. sites get a little more sore 6. lips numb 7. HUGE SHIT, liquid 8.
everything goes away.. chills sometimes. that's it.. it all lasts about
20-30 minutes for me and I'm done. I do this shit on my lunch break now.
once one side hits, another goes away. PGF2A is not painful, it's
fucking annoying. it sucks to have to feel that way three times a day,
that's why it sucks.



Ranger


Well, I guess you could say I was a little more experimental in my use
with PGF2A. I wanted to see how far I could take it, and what happened,
and what I could do to minimize the side effects without hindering the
growth process……Well, I don't have all the answers to this one. I do
know it takes dedication, as Val has showed us, and you will have to
endure some pretty nasty sides from time to time….bottom line!!! The choice
is yours, and yours alone!! I started out at 2.5mg's per bicep twice a
day from the start. I experienced all of the aforementioned
sides….Breathing, numb lips, diarrhea, hypoglycemia, muscle pain….the list goes
on. However, in 2 weeks my arms grew ½ inches…doesn't sound like much?
It's permanent 85growth…that's good! I did get pretty cocky at the end of
the 2nd week and decided to inject calves…I injected 1cc per muscle,
per leg, for a total of 4cc's or 20mg's. My GOD was the pain intense!! I
couldn't walk for 30 minutes, Breathing was labored, lips complet!
ely numb, mucous in my throat, and when the diarrhea came, I had to
crawl to the bathroom. I was laughing and wanting to cry at the same time,
but I made it(barely)! I will say this now…UP THE DOSAGE SLOWLY!!! How
much? I cannot give you the answers to that, everyone will be
different. BIGDAWG'S side effects are no where near that of Val', Jeff, and
mine. However, take it slowly! I decided to try a very strict diet to see
the effects…I only had 100 grams of Carbohydrates per day, all before
lunch…low fat. The third day into this diet I was getting added side
effects….light headed, headaches, cold chills, shaky. I checked my blood
sugar levels the fourth day after my morning injection….49mg/dl. Yup,
Hypoglycemia(low blood sugar). I quickly drank some orange juice, protein
shake, and ate some Gram Crackers…the sides quickly subsided. I even
made a Doctor's Appt. to have this checked further…everything came out
fine…nothing! Here's what I found to work best for me…around 1 hour b!
efore injection, have a bowl of oatmeal, and a small protein shake.
After your injection, and the sides(diarrhea) have subsided, eat 3 tablets
of Glucose(chewable orange flavored…yummy!), and have a large protein
shake. You can buy these over the counter and is a great sugar free Carb
Booster!! This worked great for me!! I found out, and all who are using
this will agree…I have become leaner than I ever have!! As my body fat
dropped, my arms and calves continued to grow, as did the rest of my
body. Only at a slower pace. INJECTIONS SUCK!! You wanna grow?? Get used
to the idea!! I use 28 or 29-gauge 1 inch Insulin pins. Works great
Bro's! After three weeks, and all will once again agree, you will get
needle phobia…heh heh heh…! That's where we come to the next section….PGF2A
and DMSO!! These are some do's and don'ts I think is important: 1. Do
up the dosage slowly! 2. Do take your time injecting! 3. Do have access
to a restroom! 4. Do make sure the injection site is clean! 1. D!
on't inject into the ab's, lower back, forearms, and trap's(personal
experience on this one)! I know Jeff rys is doing this with no lasting
side effects, but I feel it is unsafe at best! 2. Don't get PGF2A near
your wife or girlfriend! It can be absorbed through the skin, and will
cause cramps, bleeding…etc. In women…Never get it near a woman that is
pregnant! 3. Don't use this blindly…do all available research…then
decide! I will in the coming weeks try another little experiment of my own. I
will mix the PGF2A with DMSO and Yohimbe for spot fat reduction, and
hopefully, localized growth! If anyone has tried this, or heard of anyone
who has. Please post the information, and results…Thanks!!


PGF2A and DMSO


Prompted by BIGDAWG'S experiment, and my sudden lack of interest in
injections !! I decided to conduct a few experiments of my own with DMSO
and PGF2A…My conclusion…Injections work better, but DMSO is a welcome
break!! I would spread DMSO on a 4 inch by 4-inch gauze pad, squirt ½ cc
per pad, and then tape it to my Pectorals. I left it there for
approximately 30 minutes. Sides were minimal at best…Somewhat heavy breathing,
light headed, site becomes very warm, and once you pull the gauze off,
you may see a slight rash(it will leave quickly). The site becomes
rather pumped, and in the case of my Biceps, I noticed an increase in
Vascularity. Now, once I pulled the gauze off my chest. I went straight to
the gym. I worked my chest in a normal fashion. I became much more
pumped!! I could even tell in the mirror. I did three sets of cable
crossovers…MY GOD…It was Intense…veins everywhere!! For the next two days, my
chest was crushed!! It felt good to be that sore again. Tried it agai!
n the same way the next week, no where near the same pump, or after
effects!! For Biceps, I upped the dosage to 1 cc per pad, per Bicep. I
achieved a good pump, and increased Vascularity. I feel you have to up the
dosage a lot quicker with the DMSO method to achieve max results.
Nevertheless, that is only my opinion…if anyone else has tried this method
in more depth, please post the time and results!! Remember this report,
is mostly based on personal experience. Remember, not much is known
about PGF2A, so take it slow. I had a GTT test done..all results were
negative. I have been on for 5 weeks now. I hope this has answered many
your questions, but it doesn't answer them all!! You have to decide
Brother's…Is PGF2A for me?? Maybe yes, maybe no!! But, it is for Ole
Ranger!!! Cause, It's All Good!! Many thanks to all those who have ventured
into the unknown with this new drug, and have shared the experience!!

HOPE ALL THIS HELPS, I WANT TO COLLECT AS MUCH INFO/EXPERIENCES AS I CAN

 

[Lumberg]

Great thread, what is the legal status of pgf2a?

JC

 

[HugeWannabe]

I am not sure. I think it is of the same status as Fina, but then again maybe not because otherwise there would be a lot more internet resources for it, I had to order mine from overseas. Still waiting for it! Bump for more info on the gal status of it!

 

[HugeWannabe]

My PGF2a is due any day now and I plan to put my whole experience in this thread, here is a little more info I have collected on PGF from Meso-RX

The beginner schedule

Inject PGF2 (half a ml.) 30 minutes after the noon lunch. Inject the whole half a ml. at only one place. Your lunch should be high in proteins and carbs while low in fats. Make sure you have a serving of weight gainers at hand during the next two hours. This has two purposes. First, some people report a hypoglycemia-like feeling after PGF2. Of course this side effect should be countered. Eating a liquid meal generally makes them feel better. Second, whenever anabolism is elevated, so should be protein feeding frequency. Repeat a similar procedure after the evening meal. Change the side of injection.

For the most daring, adding an insulin booster before the meals may be a good idea. I like Glipizide (2.5 mg) but Glibenclamide (the insulin booster of reference) has been shown to lessen the incidence of side effects of PGF2 especially on the intestine. For Glibenclamide, start with the 1.25 mg pills and build up to the 2.5 mg. This makes it a smart stack to enhance anabolism while reducing side effects. Of course, you should be extra careful about the potential hypoglycemia so make sure you ingest some carbs every 30 minutes for the next two hours when it is time for the weight gainers. I suggest that you increase your creatine intake according to your PGF2 dosage as prostaglandins like most other anabolic substances accelerate the wasting of creatine. Go with at least 10 grams of creatine per day.

The advanced schedule

This is not a pro schedule. It should rather fit most of the readers' needs for muscles. As you taper off your steroid intake, slowly build up your PGF2 intake first in terms of dosage, then in terms of frequency. The animal studies suggest that PGF2 tends to depress testosterone secretion. But the PGF2 users usually get very "horny", which is a good sign, especially at the end of a steroid cycle. And do not discount the general hardening properties of PGF2 which amazingly is not restricted to skeletal muscles.

Frequency of administration as well as dosage should be increased compared to beginners. You also have the choice between insulin injections and oral insulin boosters. Sticking with the oral booster may be wiser until you get more comfortable with the control of your glycemia. This is especially true as PGF2 will enhance the hypoglycemic effects of insulin. Wake up and have a liquid meal followed by a more solid meal within 30 minutes. Use that period for an insulin shot (start low with 5 UI and build up to no more than 15 UI per meal) or for oral Glipizide (2.5 to 5 mg). Prefer a long acting insulin to a short one. Wait for 15 minutes before your PGF2 (always start low and build up as you feel more comfortable). Repeat this procedure at lunch. Keep the liquid meal for after the lunch in case you feel hypoglycemia. Another reason to prefer Glipizide at that time is that you may get tired of the frequent injections.

Repeat this procedure after training. You can use another PGF2 injection a bit before bedtime still with a meal but without the insulin or the booster. Some people who bad-mouth the prostaglandins argue that prostaglandins depress GH secretion. This is funny as the scientific literature points out the opposite. GH should be liberated overnight.

As you use more PGF2 than in the beginner cycle, go with at least 15 grams of creatine over 24 hours.

The science of cycling

The length of a PGF2 cycle is generally determined by default. The cycle usually lasts the whole time you want to be off steroids. It means it can go from between 24 hours to two months. Even though bodybuilders welcome a drug that allows them to grow while off steroids, most will get tired of using PGF2 after a while. They are usually happy to switch back to anabolics. A good rule of thumb is therefore to use PGF2 until you get tired of it. Again, there is no magic number here.

Yet many maintain a lighter intake of PGF2 centered around their weak bodypart. A lighter schedule includes one or two injections a day in a weak bodypart such as the calves to help bring them up but without having to go with all the trouble associated with normal PGF2 use.

To conclude, I again would like to quote Dan Duchaine about steroids in USH II:

"Rule #7: Most people who have taken massive amounts of steroids don't get sick, don't die, and don't go crazy.

Rule #8: ... Never assume that you are like 'most people' until you prove it."

This exact same rule apply to PGF2 users. Do not assume that PGF2 use is benign. PGF2 will affect every one of the cells composing your body. You are not immune from a rare, unexpected reaction. Please do not consider PGF2 usage lightly. We would not like to hear from you in the horror story section of a bodybuilding magazine.



I looked into running slin with my pgf2a but it was way too complicated. between the frequent shots and avoiding going hypo from the insulin I would basically be busy 24/7 plus my 6 meals a day would have to be altered so i said fuck it

I am however very curious about avoiding the shits! Here is something unpleasant to think about but maybe useful. You know when you swallow a piece of gum how it toughens up your shit? like if you swallow 4-5 pieces in a day it will make you almost constipated! Can someone explain to me why this is? ( I am guessing because of the trouble of digesting the thick gum). If I can avoid the shit by swallowing a piece of gum before each shot I am in!

ANd if this idea is totally dumb, atleast I am thinking people!

Anyone else tried pgf2a since this thread was last updated?

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

i've said this before, but i think that the sides of pgf2a are greatly exaggerated. the shits are really not an issue if you keep each shot at a lesser volume (under .5cc). they may be bad if you've been eating a diet with lots of fast food and no fiber, and have alot of crap already built up in your colon. in this case getting the shits from pgf is probably a good thing.

i have used it with insulin, and didn't really see the point. i am in my second day of using it in my love handles/low back with a little t-3 and alot of MD6 (which has 100mg ALA per cap) on top of tren/winstrol. this combo has an amazing nutrient partitioning effect.

i think the best use of pgf is for 2-3 weeks BEFORE a steroid cycle, injecting into the bodyparts that never seem to grow well (for me it is calves and arms). you only need to do this once or twice a day. immediatly after each inject (before iven doing the other side) do some high rep pump sets of that bodypart with dumbells or bodyweight, whatever is available, and heavy stretching of the bodypart in between the sets. this will be very painfull don't bitch, just do it. during this 2-3 week period your gonna be hurting and your strength will drop, but so will your bodyfat (i really think it is best to begin all cycles at under 12% bodyfat anyway...excess bodyfat increases aromatization, and will mask your ability to see lean mass gains). Stop the pgf and immediatly start the cycle. you will at first see a loss of size in the bodypart (swelling goes down) but then you will notice during the cycle that the bodyparts you tortured beforehand will respond VERY well to training, even if they never grew well on cycle before. before i used pgf2a my arms were by far my worst bodypart...now they are in proportune, i feel the muscle better and i am throwing around alot more weight when i work them.

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

oh, forgot to add that i am about to do a little experiment where i use anadrol with the above listed drugs when cutting. the pgf2a and t-3 makes me drink tons of water and seems to flush water out even faster. i suspect that this will enable me to use anadrol w/o excessive bloat. we will see. i'll try and take some before/after pics.

 

[HugeWannabe]

I get my pgf2a today I will be doing in .25cc shot in my bi in a few mins, I will keep you guys updated!

 

[HugeWannabe]

So far I just got it today

I have shot
.5 cc's each bi
.25 cc's oblique/lower back into the fat, both sides
.5 cc's in my top abs, both sides

No sides yet, no shits at all. Gum always makes it hard for me to shit so I chewed and swalled 2 pieces of gum before my first injection and 1 before each time I injected. The only side I have noticed is some constricting feeling in my throat, but its nothing too bad, I was just at the pub with my friends watching the canucks game , GO CANUCKS, only 30 mins after my first .5 cc shot and no probs! If I do lose fat this will be great. The ab and lower back injections didn't hurt much. I am using .5inch 29 gauge slin needles.

 

[Jeff_rys]

BBV i thought you where away for good

Nice to see you back on EF.
Sorry but i just found out today you are still here.


Jeff

 

[HugeWannabe]

PFG2a Intramuscular versus in the fat Injection,

I had a lot of questions about this so I started a thread about it.
Here is the link

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=134149

 

[HugeWannabe]

Day 3 on PGF2a

Day went as i described above:
Day 2:
AM .5 cc in each love handle,
PM .5 cc in each lower abdominal muscle
Day 3:
AM .5 cc in each love handle
.25 cc in each Pec
--------- This is where I am so far today.

Things I have noticed so far:

Well if you had heard about my gum theory for hardening your shit, i tried it and I thought it worked. But this morning I shot 1.5 cc ( 4 shots) and I didn't get any shits without any food or gum in me so who knows. At 1.5 cc at once I dont get the shits, in fact today i shot .5 cc in each love handle and .25 in each pec and then mowed my 1/2 acre lawn for two hours. So it doesn't render you useless. However on day 1 when i inject .5 cc in each love handle and .25 in my middle ab muscle I definitly felt it. I just felt like shit for about 15 mins. The throat was a bit tight but just generally like shit. It was definitly bearable though. The main side I noticed it a sort of burning feeling for 1-2 hours after the injection. More so if you inject in the muscle as opposed to the fat. It sorta feels like the slin pin is still in there a bit! 8o) i have bruising on my love handles from my injections from day 2 but not from day 1. i dont understand that but whatever. I am going to keep up atleast getting 4-8 shots in per day for the next 3 weeks until i start fina and I will post my results. I am currently on a cycle but only sust and EQ, which don't get me pumped or give me mad energy. Once I hit fina I am dropping this stuff. I have clen and t3 planned in for the last half of my cycle but hopefully I can avoid using the t3 by using this pgf2a so I dont have to worry about losing muscle! I will keep you guys posted. Any questions just ask. Normally on a cycle or something I wouldn't do this sort of thread (not that I am a vet, only second cycle!) but since there is not a lot of info about pgf2a experiences I figured I would contribute.

 

[HugeWannabe]

also.

as for the shits, i dont get them, but around 1-2 hours after injection when I shit it is fairly nasty, but I dont seem to shit anymore than usual. Possibly because I shit so much anyways because I eat 4600 cals a day in 6 meals! I would say that the sides are not as bad as described, but this is of course only in my case. Everyone is different. I have heard about a lot of people getting bad sides and just giving up. THe sides are definitly not bad enough for me to give up on this shit considering what it is supposed to do!

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

Told ya the sides aren't bad!


here is one you can try. eat a moderate high carb meal, take a sub q shot of pgf2a, and go lift. freaky pumps.

 

[HugeWannabe]

Told ya the sides aren't bad!


here is one you can try. eat a moderate high carb meal, take a sub q shot of pgf2a, and go lift. freaky pumps.

if I can get 1 cc in each love handle Sub Q each day when can i expect to see results?

 

[HugeWannabe]

Well this afternoon, day 3, I shot .5 cc in each lower ab and .5 in each by for a total of 2 cc's. I felt like shit before I did it and payed for it. I had woken up at about 2 pm. Had a protein shake, yogurt and a banana, my diet breakfast then my shake with glutamine after the gym. i had trouble getting the shake down and when i did I immediately shot the PGF2a, no shits but ten mins later when my throat was constricting a bit I pewked! I am pretty sure this was cause I was already sick and just being dumb by putting 2 ccs in me at once.! I also broke out into a deep wet sweat that went through all my clothes. Its weird though cause i have no real probs 1.5cc's so I think its jsut cause I was feeling sick before I did it!

 

[Jeff_rys]

heheh Huge, you are getting there...

Well this afternoon, day 3, I shot .5 cc in each lower ab and .5 in each by for a total of 2 cc's. I felt like shit before I did it and payed for it. I had woken up at about 2 pm. Had a protein shake, yogurt and a banana, my diet breakfast then my shake with glutamine after the gym. i had trouble getting the shake down and when i did I immediately shot the PGF2a, no shits but ten mins later when my throat was constricting a bit I pewked! I am pretty sure this was cause I was already sick and just being dumb by putting 2 ccs in me at once.! I also broke out into a deep wet sweat that went through all my clothes. Its weird though cause i have no real probs 1.5cc's so I think its jsut cause I was feeling sick before I did it!

If you take the max dose you can take without blowing your mind off, and do this for months, you get used to the stuff.

The last cycle i did, i shot 2 cc's at once without feeling anything at all.
Still the reason that the Ranger and BIg Brother Val had some small gains, can be the heavy doses they took. Ranger did take
2.5 cc at a time, which is a lot for a first cycle and BBV did take 66 shots a week (my god)....

Jeff

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

wait a second HugeWannabee....new advice! the consensus on the board is that you should shoot all 30cc of the Lutalayse at once into your balloon knot!




christ. i can't believe i wasted time giving advice to that scamming bastard.

 

[Rod_Torfelson]

Bump For more info/ Experiences on DMSO and pgf2a!

 

[ANVIL276]

As far as the "shits" go pepto bismol will do little.
You need strawberry extract. It's made from the leaf of strawberry plants. All pharmacys should carry this Just ask for it.
It comes in a bottle like cough medecine and yes it tastes gross.

 

[OXANDRIN]

i went through 3 botles of the stuff....muscle growth wasn't permanent,

fat loss.....seemed to work at the time.

as for the shitting......yeah best way to get rid of a boat in the enitre world!

 

[Lumberg]

^

 

[DepressiveJuice]

this thread came out of nowhere. hugewannabe you still around? what were your results with it?

 

[shakill]

pgf2 its a good thing if you needed more result to start a bulking

 

[x_muscle]

i have been reaqding about pgf-2a for a while now. it seems very interesting, but its very hard to come across. there was only one Canadian source that delled this stuff, but they stopped making it. its sold also in pharmacies under name Lutalyse by Upjohn, but you need a prescription to get it. its not a steroid or a classifide substance. so i dont know where u guys getting it from? im not asking for source, but im just curious to know if any site still sell it.

 

[x_muscle]

bump!

 

[AlphaWolf93]

I had a question about PGF2. What particular fatty acid derivative of Arachidonic Acid (Omega-6) leads to greater PGF2 production and less PGE2 production? Is there an optimal diet or food that leads to this effect? Is there a way to increase certain enzyme activity and inhibit others to optimize production of the PGF2 prostaglandin?

 

[bicepts101]

ive never even heard of this stuff sounds interesting though

 

[unclebully]

My opinion; its shit don't waste your time.
I went through two bottles of the crap and i can honestly say it did nothing for me at all.
A bit of swelling where injected and major shits were all it gave me.

 

[x_muscle]

injection is bad idea, since PGF has a very short life in body (less than min). so if your injecting it it will not have time to take aits effect. best way is to use it transdermaly for time release.

 

[wesley90]

did you do it subq or IM

 

[x_muscle]

transdermal is much better option IMO, but if you want to use the injection route, then its sub-q

 

[GoFastMan]

Well, that was a good read... I would be interested in trying this stuff transdermal but I have to do some more research on it, as i do not know much about the possible long term effects. Beside the shits gauze patches and spot building trouble spots sounds like fun

 

[GoFastMan]

Bump... Anymore people mess with it lately?