Big Rick Rock said:
I only had time to look at the first three links. Some of the stuff there looks like it has some uses in a street fight scenario, against somebody of comparable, limited or no training.
Actually , the tone of your Post , wich is SLICGHTLY contradictory to the above statement , is more accurate . You can Ramp Up your Training regimen so that it works on anyone . It truly depends on how serious you get about things , and even I wouldnt do everything that he did in the vids the way that he does them , I said before these are POSSIBLE answers ...
The real Issue with the Above Video is that hes trying to show you how to use the form IN THE ORDER OF THE MOTIONS OF THE FORM wich is pretty retarted . You and I , being experienced MAists know that you cant predict the guys next Motion at all . Now , he KNOWS its retarded , but he also believes that thats all that ppl that dont know anythign can accept/digest , and that this was the easiest way to get across that what he was doing was Effective , and normal , not Mysterious and Useless and overly complex .
My biggest issue with some of the "limb trapping" especially in the first video, is that you would need to be Super Fast to execute it, or your oppenent somewhat slow.
Not any moreso than you would to get an Armbar or , well , nearly ANY BJJ move (hold) to work . The Drill for this kind of Reflex is typically Push Hands .
I guess with the right practice and conditioning, one could acheive better than average reflexes and hand speed to make it work on everybody, but this may take a while...
No more than the same 3-5 years that it takes you to become a good Boxer or Wrestler or anything else . You can take out the average joe on the Street in 9 mos-a year if he dosent have a whole lot on you physically (100 lbs of muscle)
Against an un skilled guy who will throw a punch an leave his hand out there for you to trap or give you enough time to do these HUGE LOOOOONG parry movements. I can see the use of these techniques and how one could end a fight with one series of motions.
No one leaves their hand out , You have to Slow things down to Demonstrate technique . THis is true of BJJ , and MT and anyotherdamned system as well , and you know it . You train in ... well heres a better Quote from a better writer than I :
It is said, "Lure the opponent's advance into emptiness; harmonize with him, then issue power. Adhere, join, stick to and follow the opponent, without letting go or resisting," [that is, follow the opponent on both the vertical and horizontal planes]
Follow the opponent's incoming posture and lead him into emptiness. As I lead him in, I issue my own attack. The word "lead" actually has two meanings. The first is to accord with the opponent's posture and draw him further in order to take advantage [of his momentum]. The second is to feign weakness, causing him to rush in brashly. We read in Chen Xin's Boxing Treatise, "Entice the opponent with an 'empty basket'; then just make one turn." Enticing with an empty basket is the same as "Lure the opponent's advance into emptiness." " Turning" means striking the opponent.
The older generation says, "People who practice push-hands live according to the principle of 'neither let go nor resist'." Not letting go means not quitting the opponent's hand. Not resisting means not opposing him. This concept includes adhering and joining on a vertical plane, as well as horizontal sticking and following. Adhering motions belong to the category of "not letting go". Following and joining motions belong to the category of "not resisting". That is to say, when the opponent advances, I follow and join his motion. And if he retreats I adhere to him.
Although the Song of Pushing-Hands presents extremely simple and basic theories, if you have not had direct contact with a teacher or heard his oral transmission, then your understanding is like "theorizing with a map" [with no knowledge of the actual territory]. Even ten thousand words would be of no avail. Therefore the Song of the Thirteen Postures has, "To enter the gate and be guided on the path requires verbal instruction. If you practice your kung-fu without cease, then you can cultivate correct methods on your own." What does the text mean when it speaks of "cultivating correct methods on your own"? Just follow the principles presented above and you can cultivate on your own. Without these principles, effort is wasted. In the Boxing Classic written by Li Changlo of Ping Jing, it is said, "Studying but not practicing is to cheapen the teacher's transmission. But to practice without principles is to become sick from one's art." It is obvious that to practice push-hands one must attach great importance to this rule.
Against a real fighter however, a guy who throws a puch and brings it back to his face all in less than a third of a second... Or a guy who throws a couple of fake punches with no steam on them, and gets you trying to Parry, then sneaks a stiff cross in between your hands. You might have a problem, unless you have trained your reflexes to be sharp enough to keep up with the movents and set-ups.
Isnt that the point of ALL MA training , to Ramp it up and up and up till youre faster and smoother and better ? Again , the Vids were just to DEMONSTRATE SOME of the Techniques , not to be a Tactical Masterclass , OR to show off mikes full skill level . You want to see that , go throw a Kick at the guy .
Oh , and he moves faster later in the clips .
Also, some of the stand up grappling stuff starts off by evading somebody who is grabbing at youir shirt collar or neck... that seems pretty close to what a guy on the street might do. He might grap you by your shirt or neck so he can talk crap and show off in front of onlookers. I doubt any trained fighter would do that, and if they did, they would set it up with another move rather than come right in.
These Techniques are in Judo , and in BJJ as well . Just because they are the Beginning dosent mean they are the end . AGAIN , the vds were designed to be understood by someone with NO TRAINING WHATSOEVER .
I think the stuff in the clips does have its uses and would definatly help in a fight against somebody of comparable, very limited or no training... And since less than 2% of the population practices Martial Arts, you have most of the folks walking down the street beat... Even though a decent HS Wrestlers will still give you something to put Bengay on.....
No . Not if you go to class and combine the Hitting methods , round out your game and Practice as much at what you do as they do at what they do . We have current and Ex Wrestlers in our school , and none of them feels that way , and I train in one of the best (top 5) Wrestling Rooms in the country from time to time , and none of their Heavyweights can take me down while Im Fresh . And they have boys in the +6'4" / +350 range . Bastards are just half my age .
AND they wont let me HIT them !
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