pec shape

[VTXDEVILDOG]

This may seem like a stupid question....but what the hell...i'm here to learn right? No matter how much I work on chest excersises, my pecs never sqare off. I can gain size naturally and see fairly decent results on the top shelf, but no matter how many dips or decline or flies i do the result is all the same; rounded bottom pectorals. Is this just my genetic make up, and could this be a sign of a possible inclination towards gyno?

vtxdevildog

 

[jerol]

This may seem like a stupid question....but what the hell...i'm here to learn right? No matter how much I work on chest excersises, my pecs never sqare off. I can gain size naturally and see fairly decent results on the top shelf, but no matter how many dips or decline or flies i do the result is all the same; rounded bottom pectorals. Is this just my genetic make up, and could this be a sign of a possible inclination towards gyno?

vtxdevildog

Sounds like a job for Arnie's "Priority Principle".

Ignore flat bench work for a while. Blast your upper pecs with combinations of Incline presses (barbell and dumbell) and incline flys (I prefer Incline Cable Crossovers). One mistake I see people make a lot in the gym is that they set the bench up too high. If you set it up above 30 degrees of incline you tend to bring your shoulders into the lift too much.

Incline work is a very difficult motion to master. The mental aspect of making your chest do the work takes time to learn. I always have found that concentrating on keeping my shoulders "back" has naturally brought my chest more into the repetition. You also have to really concentrate on keeping the upper chest under tension at every point in the range of motion -- no relaxing of the chest at the top or bottom of the repetition. This is all pretty much basic bodybuilding 101, but I'm amazed at how often I lapse into "lazy lifting" and stop keeping the musle under tension -- even after 25 years of lifting.

Good luck to you!

Jerol

 

[marvelous54]

Sorry to tell you bro but the "shape" of our muscles is one thing we have no control over. All we can do is work our asses off in the gym, get our diets on point, use AAS (if you choose) and wait... the results are somewhat predetermined. Some guys on here will tell you genetics are overhyped and you can work through anything but I promise you the "shape" of your muscle is what it is.

 

[mikefear]

Sorry to tell you bro but the "shape" of our muscles is one thing we have no control over. All we can do is work our asses off in the gym, get our diets on point, use AAS (if you choose) and wait... the results are somewhat predetermined. Some guys on here will tell you genetics are overhyped and you can work through anything but I promise you the "shape" of your muscle is what it is.

word

 

[Whiskey]

I promise you the "shape" of your muscle is what it is.

What he said^^^^^^^^^^

Whiskey

 

[mugg0808]

I have the same damn problem, but I tend to not keep my chest tight throughout the reps like jerol is saying, I have been focused more on keep my pecs tight and tense throughout my workous and I have noticed a little bit of difference so far, especially soreness afterwards, so hopefully it will work. Good luck

 

[mlong23]

Sounds like a job for Arnie's "Priority Principle".

Ignore flat bench work for a while. Blast your upper pecs with combinations of Incline presses (barbell and dumbell) and incline flys (I prefer Incline Cable Crossovers). One mistake I see people make a lot in the gym is that they set the bench up too high. If you set it up above 30 degrees of incline you tend to bring your shoulders into the lift too much.

Incline work is a very difficult motion to master. The mental aspect of making your chest do the work takes time to learn. I always have found that concentrating on keeping my shoulders "back" has naturally brought my chest more into the repetition. You also have to really concentrate on keeping the upper chest under tension at every point in the range of motion -- no relaxing of the chest at the top or bottom of the repetition. This is all pretty much basic bodybuilding 101, but I'm amazed at how often I lapse into "lazy lifting" and stop keeping the musle under tension -- even after 25 years of lifting.

Good luck to you!

Jerol

Way not to even answer the question.

As everyone else says, muscle shape is already predetermined. Getting leaner can help you look more of a square shaped pec. A lof of pro's don't have the classic square chest. They look pretty good.

 

[toxicsambo]

This may seem like a stupid question....but what the hell...i'm here to learn right? No matter how much I work on chest excersises, my pecs never sqare off. I can gain size naturally and see fairly decent results on the top shelf, but no matter how many dips or decline or flies i do the result is all the same; rounded bottom pectorals. Is this just my genetic make up, and could this be a sign of a possible inclination towards gyno?

vtxdevildog

Genetics bro. You can't do anything about it. Nothing wrong with rounded pecs bro, but I know what you mean. Squared off pecs like Mike Mentzer look fkn mean.

Just like the way your biceps are built to look. Hold your arm up at a right angle, like youre on a bike and making a left turn, with your palm facing your head. You will see a gap between your bicep and your forearm. If the gap is large, your Bi's are built for peak. If there is little gap, it's built for mass.

 

[athlete.03]

I've read that there are ways to lengthen muscles (eg: by concentrating on and slowing the negative portion of the rep) but I haven't read any scientific literature pertaining to it.

From what I've read (Bill Pearl is one who's postulated this) it sounds plausible.

Anyone with info on this like to comment?

 

[OMEGA]

for me I learned the hard way

after multiple injuries and no results I finally started training pecs with lighter weight but with more intesity

for me pecs much like calves
are a high rep muscle.

 

[T-Matt]

for me I learned the hard way

after multiple injuries and no results I finally started training pecs with lighter weight but with more intesity

for me pecs much like calves
are a high rep muscle.

Ditto! The only thing heavy weight on chest ever did was injure my damn rotator cuffs! I Looooooove high rep slow eccentric flys.. tears my pecs UP!!!

T-Matt

 

[icon0561]

This may seem like a stupid question....but what the hell...i'm here to learn right? No matter how much I work on chest excersises, my pecs never sqare off. I can gain size naturally and see fairly decent results on the top shelf, but no matter how many dips or decline or flies i do the result is all the same; rounded bottom pectorals. Is this just my genetic make up, and could this be a sign of a possible inclination towards gyno?

vtxdevildog

I have the same type of make up. I always thought my body type looked odd until I started working the hell out of my traps. Having more bulk up top seemed to make my pec shape seem more natural.

 

[pitbullrocco]

Just like the way your biceps are built to look. Hold your arm up at a right angle, like youre on a bike and making a left turn, with your palm facing your head. You will see a gap between your bicep and your forearm. If the gap is large, your Bi's are built for peak. If there is little gap, it's built for mass.

what would you consider a little gap? 1 inch? half an inch? a cunt hair?

 

[c3bodybuilding]

As everyone else has said, it's all genetics. You can't change the shape of your pecs no matter what you do or how hard you try. You can only increase or decrease the muscle. Your best bet is to pick a routine based on compound lifts such as bench presses and work on adding weight to the bar each week with good form.

Oh and btw I have the type of pecs you desire, yet you have the shape I would have prefered. Instead of focusing on what you don't have, focus on what you do. Arnold and many other great bodybuilders had that hanging, round pec look. I don't think it hurt them.

 

[jerol]

Way not to even answer the question.

As everyone else says, muscle shape is already predetermined. Getting leaner can help you look more of a square shaped pec. A lof of pro's don't have the classic square chest. They look pretty good.

I guess I would agree that your optimum muscle shape is predetermined if you have done everything you can to maximize your development. I would submit, though, that most bodybuilders have not done everything they can to maximize development. I know this because my upper chest used to be poor until I prioritized it and now it squares off nicely. If I had stuck to doing incline presses as my third exercise and not prioritized its development, I too might have just attributed it to my genetic "shape".

VTX states that "no matter how many dips or decline or flies i do the result is all the same; rounded bottom pectorals". Dips and declines don't isolate the upper chest. So I suggested he do just that for a few weeks. I guess my answer to his question is that I don't necessarily believe his shape is genetically limited, given the information he supplies. I'd want to see how he looks after prioritizing his upper chest for a while, that's all.

Jerol

 

[ALIN]

This may seem like a stupid question....but what the hell...i'm here to learn right? No matter how much I work on chest excersises, my pecs never sqare off. I can gain size naturally and see fairly decent results on the top shelf, but no matter how many dips or decline or flies i do the result is all the same; rounded bottom pectorals. Is this just my genetic make up, and could this be a sign of a possible inclination towards gyno?

vtxdevildog

Genetics are key factor but you need to try various variety of chest exercises to get best development.

 

[GetBig10]

This may seem like a stupid question....but what the hell...i'm here to learn right? No matter how much I work on chest excersises, my pecs never sqare off. I can gain size naturally and see fairly decent results on the top shelf, but no matter how many dips or decline or flies i do the result is all the same; rounded bottom pectorals. Is this just my genetic make up, and could this be a sign of a possible inclination towards gyno?

vtxdevildog

bro the same things wrong with me, do you have puffy nipples i do:S...im taking letro...if its gyno

 

[mlong23]

I guess I would agree that your optimum muscle shape is predetermined if you have done everything you can to maximize your development. I would submit, though, that most bodybuilders have not done everything they can to maximize development. I know this because my upper chest used to be poor until I prioritized it and now it squares off nicely. If I had stuck to doing incline presses as my third exercise and not prioritized its development, I too might have just attributed it to my genetic "shape".

VTX states that "no matter how many dips or decline or flies i do the result is all the same; rounded bottom pectorals". Dips and declines don't isolate the upper chest. So I suggested he do just that for a few weeks. I guess my answer to his question is that I don't necessarily believe his shape is genetically limited, given the information he supplies. I'd want to see how he looks after prioritizing his upper chest for a while, that's all.

Jerol

OK, not being a dick but I still don't think you understand the question he asked. He says he does not have a problem with the top shelf, which would be incline exercises. He has a rounded bottom pec, he wants a square shape. This is where a person would typically do decline exercises, emphasis on the outer area because of the rounded shape.

The higher up in BF, the more rounded the chest looks, I think. Get to a leaner body and I bet your chest starts looking more squarish.

 

[toxicsambo]

what would you consider a little gap? 1 inch? half an inch? a cunt hair?

A short gap meaning your bicep is close to your forearm. People with naturally high peak biceps have a larger gap. Compare pics of Sergio Oliva's front double bicep pose, to that of Arnold's and you'll see what I mean. You can see the shape difference.

 

[jerol]

OK, not being a dick but I still don't think you understand the question he asked. He says he does not have a problem with the top shelf, which would be incline exercises. He has a rounded bottom pec, he wants a square shape. This is where a person would typically do decline exercises, emphasis on the outer area because of the rounded shape.

The higher up in BF, the more rounded the chest looks, I think. Get to a leaner body and I bet your chest starts looking more squarish.

mlong,

You're absolutely right... I misread it...

Guess them speed readin' courses forgot to mention that little detail... heh.

My bad,

Jerol

 

[redsamurai]

IGF and subsequent off shoots may change the genetic argument....we'll see

 

[bmcadoo44]

I have been fealing the same way as VTXDEVILDOG for these past 2 weeks. I have no clue why its starting do this.

Should good high protein diet and little carbs, high repetitions on chest/shoulder work outs and also taking anavar at 50mg e/d for 6 weeks be sufficient enough to reduce the roundness and fat on the sides of my pecs?

Iv been fealing uncomfortable lately and is getting anoyed with this.

Any workouts or anti-e's? please suggest any.

 

[bmcadoo44]

bump

 

[NickyE3]

i have the same prob but dips and decline bench and flies have been working for me. go figure, genetics

 

[bivk]

A short gap meaning your bicep is close to your forearm. People with naturally high peak biceps have a larger gap. Compare pics of Sergio Oliva's front double bicep pose, to that of Arnold's and you'll see what I mean. You can see the shape difference.

Mine seems to look alot more like Arnolds than Sergios.

 

[toxicsambo]

Mine seems to look alot more like Arnolds than Sergios.

haha. yeah, mine is like Vince Taylors.

My arms have a genetic peak, but my brother's bi's have genetic mass. His arms are always jacked and he doesnt even workout. It's fkn annoying.

 

[timtim]

though genetics plays a huge role in the muscle shape, the type of training you incorporate will effect different muscle fibers, effecting the shape. the upper body is predominantly fast twitch muscle fiber so using heavier loads for shorter periods will stimulate these tissues over the slow twitch fibers (which are smaller). doing longer slower sets (which i love personally) arent that effective at stimulating the bigger fast twitch fibers. stimulating the smaller slow twitch fibers with long sets and high reps will not make the muscle as big as stimulating the fast twitch. from my personal experience i was really able to grow my chest alot by incorporating alot of 5x5 and 5x3 training, not just with presses but with flies also because the fly motion mimics the contraction of the pecs like a fan, the natural motion (presses do not do this). i focused this type of training for a few years and the results have been outstanding.

 

[Snarling Force]

I'm the same way bro and I've come to terms with the fact that this is how I was designed. I have that gap inbetween my pecs and they round out. I've tried everything I could, concentrated like a mother but you can't build muscle where there is no muscle tissue to close the gap. My pecs are they way they are and the only thing I can do is make what is there bigger. When I see those big square chested dudes with complete connection I'm just like damn lucky bastards!

 

[bivk]

So what would be an effective way to hit arms if you have a peak shaped bicep? I have trouble building arm size even though the rest of my body is bigger.

 

[VTXDEVILDOG]

Well hell, I guess i'll just have to live with it and work what i have. I was mostly concerned about starting a first cycle this being a possible characteristic of predisposition to gyno.

I'm the same way bro and I've come to terms with the fact that this is how I was designed. I have that gap inbetween my pecs and they round out. I've tried everything I could, concentrated like a mother but you can't build muscle where there is no muscle tissue to close the gap. My pecs are they way they are and the only thing I can do is make what is there bigger. When I see those big square chested dudes with complete connection I'm just like damn lucky bastards!