Oral Tren

[Littleman784]

Hello guys, I was wanting to know if anyone has used Oral Tren Ace. and what your experience was with it? What were your dosages and for how long? Gains? Sides? and liver toxicity?

Also I have AI's during cycle ready and PCT: But any suggestions are welcomed!

Thanks guys, any questions just ask
Btw I plan on adding the oral Tren or inject. Tren Ace. to Test E cycle

 

[ALIN]

I like the TREN injectable the best.

 

[Littleman784]

So the oral wasn't very good?

 

[JV]

I would also like to know. I've heard, and don't quote me on this.. But I hear if you get the legit Methyltrienolone, the gains can be just as good if not better then oral tren. I also hear that once the drug goes though the liver its not as nearly as potent as the 12,000/6,000 or what ever it is.
My good buddy told me he "gave" a guy a cycle of Dbol and Methyltrienolone. The guy ran the Dbol first for 4 weeks, followed by the oral tren for 4 weeks at 250mcg's a day. He told me the guy went from 200 to 230, then after he was done dropped to 225!!! Mind you, this is ALL HE RAN! HE DIDN'T USE ANY TEST!!!
The main complaint I hear is about the toxicity of this steroid. I am SURE it is overstated and blown up like many other steroids. He told me the guy felt fine.
You have to remember when people do oral cycles and have bad effects on there liver, they usually are abusing the drug, and ARNT EVEN USING A LIVER SUPPORT!!!
I think you should be fine running this at 250 to 750 mcg's for 4 weeks if used with a solid liver support. Something like, Liv52, high quality milk thistle, R-ALA, and one study showed that using Pygeum Africanum would romove or hiiiighly cut down the chance of prostate problems. The way I think about it. If you're gonna run a crazy cycle, you better run a crazy over kill cycle assist!!!

I plan on running Anadrol, then Methyltrienolone and see how that works some day.
I just wish there was more research on this product :/

 

[mr.sagat]

Here is a generic profile, and umm yeah, it makes Anadrol toxicity look like candy... It isn't worth it imo. Just get some Tren to inject...

Trenbolone is the most powerful overall steroid in use by bodybuilders today. Tren, as it is often called, is both highly androgenic and anabolic. It is chemically unable to aromatize, and therefore produces no estrogen buildup. This, along with its high androgenic properties, makes the muscle produced by this drug very hard and defined.
Trenbolone first got its reputation when it was used in the legendary steroid, Parabolan. Users of this drug often noted dramatic results that were nothing short of amazing, and after it was unfortunately discontinued, the remembered effects of the substance gave it cult like status and the market was flooded with bunk Parabolan amps by those looking to profit off the extreme popularity and fan base that this steriod's incredible results had sparked.
Trenbolone was also used in cattle implant pellets, where the substance was used to increase the lean mass of the cattle, while reducing the fat on the animals. Kits became widely available on the internet allowing bodybuilders to convert these pellets into injectable solution. Fina, as this homebrew oil was often called, quickly became a favorite of steroid users, like its relative, Parabolan, had done many years before.
Oral Tren can be liver toxic and users should keep usage of this product to reasonable dosages and time frames. Typically 1-2 (250mcg) tablets of Oral Tren for two to three weeks. Because of its strong androgenic properties, Oral Tren should not be used by women.

 

[Gamer2Be08]

First, oral tren is not oral tren ace..
Oral tren is methyl trienelone. Highest dose you would want to take is 1mg ED
Great dose to take would be 750mcg ED.

Now on to toxicity; I saw a guys bloods after methyl tren and it was no harsher than a cycle of SD..
Gains in mass will be greater with methyl tren than ace.. You will still get all sides associated with tren.
I think its a great compound for a healthy individual to use.

 

[Littleman784]

Thanks for all the replies guys!! I appreciate the advice and suggestions, oral Tren seems alot more convenient in taking, I dont drink, smoke, or do any drugs, the only stress I put on my liver I guess is the steroids that I use during cycles, other than that nothing else! So oral Tren caught my attention when a friend of mine brought it up as an option to kickstart my next cycle. I plan on Running Adex, Dostinex, and milk thistle during cycle, so help keep bloat, estro. and prolactin issues at Under control.

 

[JV]

First, oral tren is not oral tren ace..
Oral tren is methyl trienelone. Highest dose you would want to take is 1mg ED
Great dose to take would be 750mcg ED.

Now on to toxicity; I saw a guys bloods after methyl tren and it was no harsher than a cycle of SD..
Gains in mass will be greater with methyl tren than ace.. You will still get all sides associated with tren.
I think its a great compound for a healthy individual to use.

FINALLY! Oh my gosh, A guy with some first or second hand experience!!! Thanks!
I believe one of the reasons it may have suuuch a bad rep is because, from what I hear back in the day lots of guys were running this at 5mgs a day... Thats like saying yeaaa IDK why buuut ummmmm, my liver hurts from taking only a 1000mg's a day of anadrol lol.
And by SD, I'm asuming u meant superdrol??..

 

[JV]

Thanks for all the replies guys!! I appreciate the advice and suggestions, oral Tren seems alot more convenient in taking, I dont drink, smoke, or do any drugs, the only stress I put on my liver I guess is the steroids that I use during cycles, other than that nothing else! So oral Tren caught my attention when a friend of mine brought it up as an option to kickstart my next cycle. I plan on Running Adex, Dostinex, and milk thistle during cycle, so help keep bloat, estro. and prolactin issues at Under control.

I dont think you Adex because it doesn't aromatize, but it can turn into progesterone. Also, add more liver support.. At least I would, better safe then sorry. Get some Liv25 or some other solid liver support.

 

[Littleman784]

Yeah well I'm going to be running a Test E 12-14 wk cycle along with the oral Tren, so that's why I'm running the Adex. I'll make sure to get some liv52 and also take that on cycle and post cycle also. As far as PCT I plan on running
Clomid, Armoasin, and Nolva. Wks 1-5

 

[crushtime]

Please post more info...very interested

 

[Gamer2Be08]

FINALLY! Oh my gosh, A guy with some first or second hand experience!!! Thanks!
I believe one of the reasons it may have suuuch a bad rep is because, from what I hear back in the day lots of guys were running this at 5mgs a day... Thats like saying yeaaa IDK why buuut ummmmm, my liver hurts from taking only a 1000mg's a day of anadrol lol.
And by SD, I'm asuming u meant superdrol??..

Yes I meant superdrol..
The toxicity reports from people have been anecdotal.. They went based on feel which is why methyl tren has a bad rep. In actuality, if you can run a 30mg super cycle, there no reason you cant run a 750mcg methyl tren cycle.. Your bloods will look very similar.. I myself am gonna give this compound a go over the summer.

 

[instant.muscle]

First, oral tren is not oral tren ace..
Oral tren is methyl trienelone. Highest dose you would want to take is 1mg ED
Great dose to take would be 750mcg ED.

Now on to toxicity; I saw a guys bloods after methyl tren and it was no harsher than a cycle of SD..
Gains in mass will be greater with methyl tren than ace.. You will still get all sides associated with tren.
I think its a great compound for a healthy individual to use.

how would u compare it with superdrol at proper dosing, ex iff optimal sd dose is 30mg and tren 750mcg if the wwere dosed like this how would u compare the 2 in size/strength/lean size/vascularity? thanks

 

[Littleman784]

Well as cheap as I can get it, I might buy it and give it a try here in a month or two

 

[JV]

Another thing I hear is that because the AA ratio is so high, its pointless to stack with. Its best to run right before or after the cycle, but I don't know for sure. They say its because it bonds so tightly to the androgen receptors that nothing else can, so it'd be pointless. But I don't know for sure.

The thing is, its just so cheap, you're looking at running this getting the same if not better gains then from injectable tren for only $0.25 to $0.50 a day compared to $5 or more a day. I don't know. I think it sounds like a good deal.

 

[Gamer2Be08]

how would u compare it with superdrol at proper dosing, ex iff optimal sd dose is 30mg and tren 750mcg if the wwere dosed like this how would u compare the 2 in size/strength/lean size/vascularity? thanks

Ther is no better steroid bro. You drop fat, you can gain 10 lbs in a week. Imagine taking dbol, and also leaning out while getting much stronger at the same time.

 

[JV]

Ther is no better steroid bro. You drop fat, you can gain 10 lbs in a week. Imagine taking dbol, and also leaning out while getting much stronger at the same time.

GOD DAMN! Sounds yummy. I want to run it so bad. But I dont know if I'm ready to quit being natty :/

 

[Big_Joe]

GOD DAMN! Sounds yummy. I want to run it so bad. But I dont know if I'm ready to quit being natty :/

I have been away for a very long time. I just drop in to check out what is going on and I run into this thread. Don't you guys ever learn?? Use pubmed and you get things like this:


Liver toxicity of a new anabolic agent: Methyltrienolone (17α-Methyl-4,9,11-estratriene-17β-ol-3-one)



References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.
Hans L. Krüskemperb, a, 1 and Georg Noellb, a
a Div. of Endocrinology, Dept. of Medicine, Medizinische Hochschule, Hannover, Germany
b Dept. of Medicine, University of Bonn, Bonn, Germany
Received 7 April 1966.
Available online 10 January 2003.

Abstract
Methyltrienolone (17α-methyl-4,9,11-estratriene-17β-ol-3-one), which is orally active as an anabolic agent in a dose of less than 1.0 mg per day in normal adults, has been tested with regard to its influence on liver function. As measured by multiple parameters (BSP retention; total bilirubin; activities of transaminases, alkaline phosphatase and cholinesterase in serum; activity of proaccelerin in plasma) methyltrienolone turned out to be very active as to causing biochemical symptoms of intrahepatic cholestasis. Effective doses lay between 0.1 and 1.0 mg steroid drug per day, thus methyltrienolone at present being the most “hepatotoxic” steroid.


Please notice where it says "thus methyltrienolone at present being the most “hepatotoxic” steroid."

None of you jokers said that oral tren was the most toxic oral going. Anything with a methyl group kills you, period. But you just can't wait to run it. Hey go for it. Maybe you will look very buffed in your coffin.

 

[Littleman784]

Well big_joe thanks for the great info. and advice!!! I appreciate you putting up the article because it shows how toxic it is. I will consider your advice, and once again Thank you!!

 

[instant.muscle]

Ther is no better steroid bro. You drop fat, you can gain 10 lbs in a week. Imagine taking dbol, and also leaning out while getting much stronger at the same time.

damn maybe i'll ad it to my sust deca stack since its not actual tren is it ok to stack w deca?

 

[Gamer2Be08]

damn maybe i'll ad it to my sust deca stack since its not actual tren is it ok to stack w deca?

You could take it with deca if your gonna add in dostinex or cabergoline.

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Pub med is filled with misinfo...

The Cycle:
Given my affinity for anabolic compounds, my innate curiosity, my ability to handle the volume of zeros involved in converting a gram of M-T into dosable mcg quantities, and of course, my iron liver - I was the natural choice to perform the experiment. I'm a natural born lab rat.

Having a previous oral cycle of M-T under my belt, where the side effects got pretty d@mn brutal, I had developed a respect for the compound. So I decided to go with an injectable version, to reduce liver stress by avoiding first pass, at a reasonable dose of 500mcg/day. I found it to be quite effective, and with a stack of liver, blood pressure, and lipid support supplements, the sides were negligible, so I bumped the dose to 1mg/ED. I again found the side effects to be pretty reasonable at 1 mg, so I stayed there for the remainder of the eight week cycle.

Note regarding other compounds used on this cycle: This does not purport to be a study on the effectiveness of Methyl-Tren at any dose, although I did find the compound to be highly effective - results came quickly, and I put on size quickly, and was extremely vascular. The reason I say I can't speak to the effectiveness, is because I was experimenting with other injectable oral compounds, among other things, during this time as part of my ongoing research. You'll see that I tagged in and out a bunch of compounds, and if it seems like a hodge-podge of chemicals, it's because it was. It was all in the name of science.

Liver Check: The other compounds
I ran a low dose of test throughout - 750mg/wk, plus 50mg inj. dbol ED for the first 4 weeks, 75mg winstrol susp ED for the first 6 weeks, then for the last 2 weeks of the cycle, it was 75mg (orally) mestanolone (methyl-DHT, a very underrated AAS) ED, with 50mg dbol (orally) Pre-W/O only. The only other compound whose liver effects are worth mentioning, would be accutane, which I was forced to add because the methyl-tren was making me a bit oily. That was run at 30mg EOD for about the duration of the 8 week cycle.

The Aftermath - Whitey Gets Bloodwork:
I took 48 hours off all liver toxic compounds before having bloodwork done. Here are the results of the liver panel (just a few weeks old at this point):

Hepatic Function Panel

Protein, Total, Serum......7.4 g/dL........normal.......re ference: 6.0 - 8.5
Albumin, Serum..............4.5 g/dL........normal.......re ference: 3.5 - 5.5
Bilirubin, Total................0.7 mg/dL......normal.......refe rence: 0.1 - 1.2
Bilirubin, Direct.............0.10 mg/dL......normal.......refe rence: 0.00 - 0.40
Alkaline Phosphatase, S..117 IU/L.........normal.......re ference: 25 - 150
AST...................... ........75 IU/L.........high..........r eference: 0 - 40
ALT...................... .........61 IU/L.........high..........r eference: 0 - 55

So, as you can see, everything was well within normal, except the AST and ALT scores. The ALT was just slightly (6 pts) above the normal range, and the AST was 35 pts above, but nothing to be worried about. The Dr. said no liver damage is done at these levels, nothing to be concerned about, just something to keep an eye on.

Conclusion:
So, how toxic is Methyl-Tren? No single user study could say for sure, but given my experience of running 1mg M-T ED for 8 weeks along with other liver-toxic compounds, I'd wager that the toxicity is reasonable enough that a healthy adult male bb'er could run an injectable version at 0.5 - 1mg/ED for a reasonable period of time, provided he stays hydrated and takes a liver support stack as a precaution.



-W-

 

[Deltoid_87]

Why on earth would anyone want to fuck with their liver using this when u can inject Tren... It makes no sense Get over the fear of needles! trust me it won't hurt u as much as this poison

Man, M1T is harsh enough. I can't imagine anything worse...

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Why on earth would anyone want to fuck with their liver using this when u can inject Tren... It makes no sense Get over the fear of needles! trust me it won't hurt u as much as this poison

Man, M1T is harsh enough. I can't imagine anything worse...

Read the above post...
Misinfo on methyl tren, lots of it..

YOUR LIVER CAN FULLY REGENERATE..
You people need to worry about your hearts more than your liver.. You can survive a bout of jaundice and recover 100%, but you most likely wont survive a heart transplant.

 

[Littleman784]

Man this compound is very controversial, I guess due to the fact that not many people have used it and even less have made a full log!!

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Man this compound is very controversial, I guess due to the fact that not many people have used it and even less have made a full log!!

That is exactly the reason....!

Everyone has there own hearsay to add..
I dont go off of the rumor mill, but actual data..
And bloods say otherwise with m tren

 

[Littleman784]

Yep that's the only way to get to the facts

 

[instant.muscle]

sounds like some pretttty serious shit, i'll take 2

 

[JV]

Pub med is filled with misinfo...

The Cycle:
Given my affinity for anabolic compounds, my innate curiosity, my ability to handle the volume of zeros involved in converting a gram of M-T into dosable mcg quantities, and of course, my iron liver - I was the natural choice to perform the experiment. I'm a natural born lab rat.

Having a previous oral cycle of M-T under my belt, where the side effects got pretty d@mn brutal, I had developed a respect for the compound. So I decided to go with an injectable version, to reduce liver stress by avoiding first pass, at a reasonable dose of 500mcg/day. I found it to be quite effective, and with a stack of liver, blood pressure, and lipid support supplements, the sides were negligible, so I bumped the dose to 1mg/ED. I again found the side effects to be pretty reasonable at 1 mg, so I stayed there for the remainder of the eight week cycle.

Note regarding other compounds used on this cycle: This does not purport to be a study on the effectiveness of Methyl-Tren at any dose, although I did find the compound to be highly effective - results came quickly, and I put on size quickly, and was extremely vascular. The reason I say I can't speak to the effectiveness, is because I was experimenting with other injectable oral compounds, among other things, during this time as part of my ongoing research. You'll see that I tagged in and out a bunch of compounds, and if it seems like a hodge-podge of chemicals, it's because it was. It was all in the name of science.

Liver Check: The other compounds
I ran a low dose of test throughout - 750mg/wk, plus 50mg inj. dbol ED for the first 4 weeks, 75mg winstrol susp ED for the first 6 weeks, then for the last 2 weeks of the cycle, it was 75mg (orally) mestanolone (methyl-DHT, a very underrated AAS) ED, with 50mg dbol (orally) Pre-W/O only. The only other compound whose liver effects are worth mentioning, would be accutane, which I was forced to add because the methyl-tren was making me a bit oily. That was run at 30mg EOD for about the duration of the 8 week cycle.

The Aftermath - Whitey Gets Bloodwork:
I took 48 hours off all liver toxic compounds before having bloodwork done. Here are the results of the liver panel (just a few weeks old at this point):

Hepatic Function Panel

Protein, Total, Serum......7.4 g/dL........normal.......re ference: 6.0 - 8.5
Albumin, Serum..............4.5 g/dL........normal.......re ference: 3.5 - 5.5
Bilirubin, Total................0.7 mg/dL......normal.......refe rence: 0.1 - 1.2
Bilirubin, Direct.............0.10 mg/dL......normal.......refe rence: 0.00 - 0.40
Alkaline Phosphatase, S..117 IU/L.........normal.......re ference: 25 - 150
AST...................... ........75 IU/L.........high..........r eference: 0 - 40
ALT...................... .........61 IU/L.........high..........r eference: 0 - 55

So, as you can see, everything was well within normal, except the AST and ALT scores. The ALT was just slightly (6 pts) above the normal range, and the AST was 35 pts above, but nothing to be worried about. The Dr. said no liver damage is done at these levels, nothing to be concerned about, just something to keep an eye on.

Conclusion:
So, how toxic is Methyl-Tren? No single user study could say for sure, but given my experience of running 1mg M-T ED for 8 weeks along with other liver-toxic compounds, I'd wager that the toxicity is reasonable enough that a healthy adult male bb'er could run an injectable version at 0.5 - 1mg/ED for a reasonable period of time, provided he stays hydrated and takes a liver support stack as a precaution.



-W-

AWESOME WRITE UP! One thing I don't get is... Was he taking it orally, or inj?

 

[Gamer2Be08]

AWESOME WRITE UP! One thing I don't get is... Was he taking it orally, or inj?

I believe it was oral..
He was also taking many other liver toxic substances as well.. Goes to show you how much your liver can handle when your aa healthy person.

 

[JV]

I believe it was oral..
He was also taking many other liver toxic substances as well.. Goes to show you how much your liver can handle when your aa healthy person.

Yea when I read he was running Methyltrienbolone at 1mg a day for 8 wees!!! ALONG WITH OTHER ORALS OR INJECTABLES I was extremely impressed. I would imagine that if you ran this MT solo, while drinking 1 to 2 gallons of water a day, along with liver support, you should be fine.
Realistically, the best way to find out is do it yourself. I'm sure even if it was too harsh, it would be fine to run for four weeks. But from that info you just put up, I am extremely impressed!
Thanks man.
I want to run it so bad, but I just don't know if I should stay natty. I keep thinking I need to get my bench to 400 and dead lift to 700 before I take it lol.

 

[Littleman784]

Yep I guess trying it will decide it for me!

 

[crushtime]

Pub med is filled with misinfo...

The Cycle:
Given my affinity for anabolic compounds, my innate curiosity, my ability to handle the volume of zeros involved in converting a gram of M-T into dosable mcg quantities, and of course, my iron liver - I was the natural choice to perform the experiment. I'm a natural born lab rat.

Having a previous oral cycle of M-T under my belt, where the side effects got pretty d@mn brutal, I had developed a respect for the compound. So I decided to go with an injectable version, to reduce liver stress by avoiding first pass, at a reasonable dose of 500mcg/day. I found it to be quite effective, and with a stack of liver, blood pressure, and lipid support supplements, the sides were negligible, so I bumped the dose to 1mg/ED. I again found the side effects to be pretty reasonable at 1 mg, so I stayed there for the remainder of the eight week cycle.

Note regarding other compounds used on this cycle: This does not purport to be a study on the effectiveness of Methyl-Tren at any dose, although I did find the compound to be highly effective - results came quickly, and I put on size quickly, and was extremely vascular. The reason I say I can't speak to the effectiveness, is because I was experimenting with other injectable oral compounds, among other things, during this time as part of my ongoing research. You'll see that I tagged in and out a bunch of compounds, and if it seems like a hodge-podge of chemicals, it's because it was. It was all in the name of science.

Liver Check: The other compounds
I ran a low dose of test throughout - 750mg/wk, plus 50mg inj. dbol ED for the first 4 weeks, 75mg winstrol susp ED for the first 6 weeks, then for the last 2 weeks of the cycle, it was 75mg (orally) mestanolone (methyl-DHT, a very underrated AAS) ED, with 50mg dbol (orally) Pre-W/O only. The only other compound whose liver effects are worth mentioning, would be accutane, which I was forced to add because the methyl-tren was making me a bit oily. That was run at 30mg EOD for about the duration of the 8 week cycle.

The Aftermath - Whitey Gets Bloodwork:
I took 48 hours off all liver toxic compounds before having bloodwork done. Here are the results of the liver panel (just a few weeks old at this point):

Hepatic Function Panel

Protein, Total, Serum......7.4 g/dL........normal.......re ference: 6.0 - 8.5
Albumin, Serum..............4.5 g/dL........normal.......re ference: 3.5 - 5.5
Bilirubin, Total................0.7 mg/dL......normal.......refe rence: 0.1 - 1.2
Bilirubin, Direct.............0.10 mg/dL......normal.......refe rence: 0.00 - 0.40
Alkaline Phosphatase, S..117 IU/L.........normal.......re ference: 25 - 150
AST...................... ........75 IU/L.........high..........r eference: 0 - 40
ALT...................... .........61 IU/L.........high..........r eference: 0 - 55

So, as you can see, everything was well within normal, except the AST and ALT scores. The ALT was just slightly (6 pts) above the normal range, and the AST was 35 pts above, but nothing to be worried about. The Dr. said no liver damage is done at these levels, nothing to be concerned about, just something to keep an eye on.

Conclusion:
So, how toxic is Methyl-Tren? No single user study could say for sure, but given my experience of running 1mg M-T ED for 8 weeks along with other liver-toxic compounds, I'd wager that the toxicity is reasonable enough that a healthy adult male bb'er could run an injectable version at 0.5 - 1mg/ED for a reasonable period of time, provided he stays hydrated and takes a liver support stack as a precaution.



-W-

So...did I read it wrong or did he switch to an injectable version because the oral was harsh...please clarify

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Both are just as harsh. Both are m tren. Just injectable version is less harsh. That being said, a healthy liver can take both and recover fairly well

 

[crushtime]

So injectible m tren has the same half life as the oral? Would you rather shoot tren ace or this methyl tren in regards of sides and gains.
I have tren ace in my next cycle outline...change my mind and I will be another m tren guinea pig.

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Tren ace is not injectable methyl tren...

If you would contemplate running superdrol or M1T, then this compound is in that class..
I am going to use methyl tren in may/june to kick my cycle.
I have seen some logs on this and none of the guys experience any real problems on cycle..

Start at 250-500mcg per day. Assess sides, then raise dose as necessary.
if you have a healthy liver, yours will recover fine after cycle.

 

[instant.muscle]

Tren ace is not injectable methyl tren...

If you would contemplate running superdrol or M1T, then this compound is in that class..
I am going to use methyl tren in may/june to kick my cycle.
I have seen some logs on this and none of the guys experience any real problems on cycle..

Start at 250-500mcg per day. Assess sides, then raise dose as necessary.
if you have a healthy liver, yours will recover fine after cycle.

Whats the cycle look like?

 

[crushtime]

I meant in terms of gains vs. sides...is the injectable m Tren more effective than Tren ace?

 

[Littleman784]

Buddy of mine said he could get a hold of some possibly, so if he does I'll give it a try an run it 4 wks at 500mcgs and see what it does!

 

[Littleman784]

Yes thats a good point, you brought up, about mg for mg toxicity!

 

[JV]

When those researchers said that methyl trienelone was the most liver-toxic steroid, I think they meant on a mg for mg basis. They didn't assess it's effectiveness at building muscle.

As a very effective dose is less than a milligram, I wouldn't rule out taking it.
Is a 0.25mg oral tren pill more hepatoxic than a 50mg Anadrol pill? That's the sort of thing we really need to know.

Also, injecting a sub-mg amount of methyl trienelone should be even less liver toxic, because the liver works much harder with enzymes to inactivate things that are going into your bloodstream ("first pass"). It is much less concerned about filtering and inactivating things already in your bloodstream.

I see that a Geneza are making oral tren, and their orals have a good reputation, and are quite cheap. Bolasterone is another very powerful one that may be worth a look. I like their Turinabol, and have their Methyl Hydroxy Nandrolone on order, which I will try when my last test cyp injection is wearing off, before my PCT starts.

Very androgenic compounds like test and trenbolone become even more androgenic when 17a alkylated (sometimes unuseably so, in methyl test's case), but also much more anabolic. Hydroxy Nandrolone isn't very androgenic, so methylating it makes it more like anavar than nandrolone. I'm looking forward to trying it.

I'm always looking for cheaper alternatives to primo and anavar.
1-AD is my primo, it's dry, unmethylated, and low on sides. It stacks great with test, whilst giving the liver a rest.
I will know in about 5 weeks whether MHN (M4OHN) is anything like Anavar.

Great post!

 

[RickO'Shea]

Zorrin I'm very interested in knowing your results with GP's MHN. I've been very interested in trying it out.

 

[JV]

I wish there was mare info on this bad boy!

 

[mr.sagat]

Tell me about your results with mohn. I wonder since it is a nandrolone will increase mineral density in the bones and increase collagen synthesis too? If it does those, and it stays in the system drug detection wise less than Luarabolin or Deca, than that would be great! The fact there is no conversion to Estrogen, DHT or Progesterone is badass too. If it is anabolic and the sides aren't too hard, that sounds like an actual drug to run solo.

 

[instant.muscle]

deca and npp would do this but i dont think tren like substances will even tho they are a nandrolone derivative

 

[JV]

I wonder if you need test to run with this like normal tren?

 

[Littleman784]

I would run test with It cuz tren will shut you dowN hard.

 

[instant.muscle]

i would definetly run test w it, the only steroid i would run without test would be var

 

[Messor]

Yes I meant superdrol..
The toxicity reports from people have been anecdotal.. They went based on feel which is why methyl tren has a bad rep. In actuality, if you can run a 30mg super cycle, there no reason you cant run a 750mcg methyl tren cycle.. Your bloods will look very similar.. I myself am gonna give this compound a go over the summer.

Should be an interesting log.

 

[Littleman784]

Ok guys got some from my friend, and I'm currently on my 2nd wk of my cycle of Test E and kickstarting with oral Tren, my first week was at 500mcg ED and I bumped it up to 750mcg ED for the 2nd wk and honestly I'm not impressed, I don't feel like I'm even on anything I haven't even gotten any sides yet. When I was on dbol for my last cycle by this time my strength and size was noticeable. I'm going to run it for 4 wks and see what happens. Maybe it's too early to tell, but id figured by now there would be some difference.

 

[JV]

Ok guys got some from my friend, and I'm currently on my 2nd wk of my cycle of Test E and kickstarting with oral Tren, my first week was at 500mcg ED and I bumped it up to 750mcg ED for the 2nd wk and honestly I'm not impressed, I don't feel like I'm even on anything I haven't even gotten any sides yet. When I was on dbol for my last cycle by this time my strength and size was noticeable. I'm going to run it for 4 wks and see what happens. Maybe it's too early to tell, but id figured by now there would be some difference.

Are you sure its Methyltrienolone, and not oral tren pellets?
If it is MT, then maybe its bunk? Who makes it? Is it called oral tren fina pellets??
If there the pellets, I believe the gains are like a watered down injectable tren, and you must suck on them or dissolve them under your tung rather then swallow them.

 

[Littleman784]

Well it MT, my source is legit, and the gear is made by a very reputable Pharma. I feel a bit harder but nothing out of the ordinary, and my strength hasnt gone up like when I was on dbol, my packet says Methlytrienbolone 250mcg per tab, and its nicely made. My diet has been pretty clean, better than when I was on dbol, but I'm still wondering how come I haven't gotten any of the tough sides you get while on Tren!!

 

[Littleman784]

I figured by now I would of gained like 5 lbs. with a good diet and training!! 3600 cals per day and 300 grams of protein.

 

[JV]

I figured by now I would of gained like 5 lbs. with a good diet and training!! 3600 cals per day and 300 grams of protein.

It must be bunk..

 

[Littleman784]

I'm going to give it 2 more wks and see, if not then I'll run dbol!

 

[JV]

I'm going to give it 2 more wks and see, if not then I'll run dbol!

I mean is ur liver even hurting?.. Back pumps??

 

[Littleman784]

Nope, no liver pains, and no back pumps, and no insomnia or night sweats!! I feel harder and more energy, but I honestly dont think it's bunk! Could be my diet, cuz when I was on dbol I got swole fast!!! I feel more energy though since I bumped it up to 750mcg ED, I will try to keep you guys posted and see if maybe I'll react to it later on this week.

 

[JV]

Nope, no liver pains, and no back pumps, and no insomnia or night sweats!! I feel harder and more energy, but I honestly dont think it's bunk! Could be my diet, cuz when I was on dbol I got swole fast!!! I feel more energy though since I bumped it up to 750mcg ED, I will try to keep you guys posted and see if maybe I'll react to it later on this week.

No way man... Its gotta be bunk lol

 

[bren565]

sounds bunk.

 

[Littleman784]

Shiz nits!!!!! Well that sucks!! Maybe a bad batch lmao!!! Dang it!

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Well it MT, my source is legit, and the gear is made by a very reputable Pharma. I feel a bit harder but nothing out of the ordinary, and my strength hasnt gone up like when I was on dbol, my packet says Methlytrienbolone 250mcg per tab, and its nicely made. My diet has been pretty clean, better than when I was on dbol, but I'm still wondering how come I haven't gotten any of the tough sides you get while on Tren!!

Increase to 500-750mcg a day..
250 may be too low for you

 

[Littleman784]

@ Gamer2b08 yeah I'm doing 750mcg. ED atm

 

[mootonandy]

I think oral tren is not methylated so its not liver toxic. I mean the stuff that is made by CEL not the actual illegal trenbolone.

 

[mr.sagat]

I think oral tren is not methylated so its not liver toxic. I mean the stuff that is made by CEL not the actual illegal trenbolone.

Oral tren is known as "Methyl" Trienolone. It is by far the most liver toxic steroid on a mg to mg basis except for maybe cheque drops....

 

[Littleman784]

Yeah but I still think I got a bad batch, I'll post up an update on Monday when I start my 3rd wk!

 

[bren565]

Oral tren is known as "Methyl" Trienolone. It is by far the most liver toxic steroid on a mg to mg basis except for maybe cheque drops....

i love that,

its not methylatd...


"its called METHYL trienolone.."

 

[Littleman784]

Ok so it's my 3rd week, I'm starting to have night sweats which I think it's from the Test E. I have to admit the methyl-Tren is ok at the moment I am alot harder but really not much more size, I was expecting more size but with my clean diet I guess I can't complain, I'll give MHN a run next time and try that out as a kickstart, I think the methyl Tren is good for a cutting cycle to just maintain some strength cuz I haven't gained much size off it.

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Ok so it's my 3rd week, I'm starting to have night sweats which I think it's from the Test E. I have to admit the methyl-Tren is ok at the moment I am alot harder but really not much more size, I was expecting more size but with my clean diet I guess I can't complain, I'll give MHN a run next time and try that out as a kickstart, I think the methyl Tren is good for a cutting cycle to just maintain some strength cuz I haven't gained much size off it.

Like tren, if you wanna bulk, go overboard on cals

 

[Littleman784]

@Gamer2be08 yeah your right man, but I have to say the sides really arent bad, at least for me they aren't, workout days I've been taking 1000mcgs and rest days 750mcgs and I've felt more energy in the gym, can't wait for the Test E to fully kick in though, and start throwing up some weight!

 

[bren565]

bro isnt oral tren supposed to be the 'hail marry' of all sides?

you say u dont see any? why dont u go to 1000mcg everyday?

 

[Messor]

@Gamer2be08 yeah your right man, but I have to say the sides really arent bad, at least for me they aren't, workout days I've been taking 1000mcgs and rest days 750mcgs and I've felt more energy in the gym, can't wait for the Test E to fully kick in though, and start throwing up some weight!

Would you say that the strength gains have been better than superdrol, or not as good?

 

[Littleman784]

@Bren565-that's what they say, but I'm taking an AI, drinking plenty of water, taking milk thistle, and a clean diet.

@Messor-well I've never ran superdrol, but I have ran dbol and as far as comparison the dbol put more weight on me and I had alot more strength gains, the MT is making me harder and I'm having less sides than on dbol. Like gamer2b08 pointed out it could be that im on putting in 3600 calories per day. I'm running 1000mcgs. 3x a wk for workout days, and 750mcgs the other days, I don't want to run more cuz I don't know what my liver values will be after i drop it, so I'm going on sides, symptoms, and feelings to. Determine my condition, so far so good.

 

[Littleman784]

Ok guys so today is the start of my 4th wk, Ive been having night sweats the past 3-4 days, workouts have been great, im getting bigger but not much weight on the scale which is fine, I want to put on muscle!$ I'm staying hard, I feel great during the day, appetite is good, drinking plenty of water and taking milk thistle. No pain on the sides, or back pumps, aggression is up some I try to save it for the workouts. Lol

 

[TheN1ghtmare21]

have you noticed a body fat decrease?

 

[Littleman784]

Actuallly I have barely this week, like I said my weight isn't going up but I'm getting fuller and bigger, I guess the muscle is replacing some fat. My abs are starting to come through, so I can say that it has helped in trying to stay lean while putting on muscle.

 

[Messor]

Ok guys so today is the start of my 4th wk, Ive been having night sweats the past 3-4 days, workouts have been great, im getting bigger but not much weight on the scale which is fine, I want to put on muscle!$ I'm staying hard, I feel great during the day, appetite is good, drinking plenty of water and taking milk thistle. No pain on the sides, or back pumps, aggression is up some I try to save it for the workouts. Lol

It seems to be working, just needed some time to kick in.
Do you know which lab's MT you are using? It also sounds like it can be used longer than 4 weeks if the dosages are kept under control. If it doesn't kick in until the 4th week for me, I'll want to run it at least 6 weeks. [Sides permitting]

 

[Littleman784]

GP methytren, I think it can be ran for more than 4 wks with plenty of water and liver support and AI, Im going to stop here and save it for next cycle and try to run it at the end of a cycle. I'm going to be running Winny at the end of this cycle and I will compare them and see which one is better at hardening.

 

[bren565]

GP methytren, I think it can be ran for more than 4 wks with plenty of water and liver support and AI, Im going to stop here and save it for next cycle and try to run it at the end of a cycle. I'm going to be running Winny at the end of this cycle and I will compare them and see which one is better at hardening.

how was sweats/fatloss?

 

[Littleman784]

Well this past week the nights sweats have been bad almost every night, fat loss hasnt really been anything, I keep a pretty clean diet so I can't really see much difference, but I'm hardening up alot more for sure. My Test E is also kicking in so that's also attributing to the sides, I'm taking Adex .25mg EOD or E3D depending on my sides.

 

[a_ahmed]

soo sorry to bump such an old thread, but he did your cycle finish did u have blood work

 

[Littleman784]

Nope, and I dont think ill run it again, the sides to gains ratio is not worth it. Theres better choices out there, Tbol works better at what my goals are