Okay, ....How far is "too far!"?

[EPROM]

Look at the pictures in this link: Click Here

To me these guys have gone WAY too far with their steroid cycles. There comes a time when you really need to stop. The "Fabio" looking guy needs to be shot! He looks like a life sized plastic WalMart action figure.

For me, ...I'd be damned happy with a Jonathan Statham physique.

I don't understand what would compel someone to go so far as to become grotesque. These guys couldn't have made this their goal from the start? It had to be something that started out fairly normal and then turned into a psychological obsession over time.

I don't see much discussion here on EF on the potential psychological problems that "can" obviously happen. Are any of you wondering if you have gone too far?

Last Point:

I have read several posts that state that you won't get bigger on steroids alone and that you have to train like a motherf-ker. I'm going to challenge this. The muscular structure of these "mutants" goes WAY beyond normal physical growth. Obviously their bodies have gone through a severe structural change by way of these chemicals. How "big" would these guys really be if the exact same amount of training was done ...but with zero steroid use?

Birdman

 

[02gixxersix]

Photoshopped

 

[EPROM]

Photoshopped

I am a professional graphic designer. Sorry, ...No Photoshop action going on and I use it on a daily basis.

 

[Bigpimpin10]

wow...those are some big guys... some of them werent as big as the ones in the beginning but..still..
i guess thats what they like...i am going no where near that..ahha

 

[ScMc]

Sorry, ...No Photoshop action going on

horseshit.

 

[02gixxersix]

I am a professional graphic designer. Sorry, ...No Photoshop action going on and I use it on a daily basis.

Sure you are. The first one looks like Markus Ruhl and that is a photoshopped or otherwise altered photo of him. The rest of the cartoon looking motherfuckers aren't real either.

 

[sweed]

LOL.. those are sooo PSed. those viens are sooo fake, lol
As long as I look like Arnold someday I'll be happy

 

[EPROM]

horseshit.

Look, you can dismiss it all as "Photoshop" or deal with the fact that OVER-use of steroids can turn you into a grotesque freak show. I guess Gregg Valentino carries a photoshopped cutout of himslef whenever he walks out in public? See Link

It's not a stretch to think one can become this hideously big by over using chemicals.

Birdman

 

[Big A]

how could you not see some of those are completely fake?

 

[ScMc]

Look, you can dismiss it all as "Photoshop" or deal with the fact that OVER-use of steroids can turn you into a grotesque freak show. I guess Gregg Valentino carries a photoshopped cutout of himslef whenever he walks out in public? See Link

It's not a stretch to think one can become this hideously big by over using chemicals.

Birdman

Dude I agree that a good portion of those dudes look like a bag of ass but LOOK AT THE FUCKING VEINS ON THAT DUDE. It IS fucking photoshopped and the fact that you're saying it's not and that you know everything on the subject makes me want to stab babies.

 

[EPROM]

Dude I agree that a good portion of those dudes look like a bag of ass but LOOK AT THE FUCKING VEINS ON THAT DUDE. It IS fucking photoshopped and the fact that you're saying it's not and that you know everything on the subject makes me want to stab babies.

Me stating that I know Photoshop make you want to stab babies?

 

[Kidda]

Greg Valentino's Arms are the result of Synthol, not Steroids - Do some research buddy.

Also - The first two images of the link are IFBB pro Markus Ruhl photoshopped - just google him to see what he really looks like! and the following 4 images are also photoshopped - and I think there was one other photoshopped image in there. Anyone with a half descent knoledge of bodybuilding could tell you this. Yes the rest of the images are extreme but this is Bodybuilding not build 10lbs of muscle and look like a fucking model - it is an extreme sport!

 

[EPROM]

Greg Valentino's Arms are the result of Synthol, not Steroids - Do some research buddy.

Also - The first two images of the link are IFBB pro Markus Ruhl photoshopped - just google him to see what he really looks like! and the following 4 images are also photoshopped - and I think there was one other photoshopped image in there. Anyone with a half descent knoledge of bodybuilding could tell you this. Yes the rest of the images are extreme but this is Bodybuilding not build 10lbs of muscle and look like a fucking model - it is an extreme sport!

I am not a "Synthol" or "Steroid" expert ...but I am a Photoshop expert. I have googled Ruhl and can see how he could be as big as in the link I supplied.

...How's about you googlin' Gregg Valentino?

 

[joe d]

all of the guys on the top that look like they have baloons under their skin use Synthol. the ones on the bottom are world class athletes. and fuck yeah i want to get there. (that it where coleman and cutler have been). i have no interest in synthol all the ones on top look like idiots to me.

 

[Kidda]

I think you should learn a lot more about what you're talking about because right now you haven't got a fucking clue. In the space of a couple of posts you've confused steroids with synthol and haven't even been able to identify photoshop when you're supposedly a "graphic designer"

 

[dark-knight]

LOL.. those are sooo PSed. those viens are sooo fake, lol
As long as I look like Arnold someday I'll be happy

.....or Stallone..... walkin round muttering shit like "I AM THE LAAAW!"
or "DON'T PRAY TO GOD, PRAY TO MEEEEE!" with my lip turned up and eyes twitchin.

 

[02gixxersix]

Greg Valentino's Arms are the result of Synthol, not Steroids - Do some research buddy.

Also - The first two images of the link are IFBB pro Markus Ruhl photoshopped - just google him to see what he really looks like! and the following 4 images are also photoshopped - and I think there was one other photoshopped image in there. Anyone with a half descent knoledge of bodybuilding could tell you this. Yes the rest of the images are extreme but this is Bodybuilding not build 10lbs of muscle and look like a fucking model - it is an extreme sport!

Yup.

 

[EPROM]

I think you should learn a lot more about what you're talking about because right now you haven't got a fucking clue. In the space of a couple of posts you've confused steroids with synthol and haven't even been able to identify photoshop when you're supposedly a "graphic designer"

Here, let me make it easier for you.

I am NOT a STEROID OR SYNTHOL expert. I AM A GRAPHIC DESIGNER. If I PM you my website will you believe?

REGARDLESS of how these guys got so big ...my original question was HOW FAR IS TOO FAR?

You are stuck on protecting the steroid/synthol community and think I'm trying to bring everyone down. That's not what I am saying at all.

 

[Kidda]

I don't need to google Greg Valentino - his arms are not the result of steroid enhanced muscle. They are the result of extensive synthol injections - which is oil - essentially the same as plastic surgery. The same as a woman having way too much silicone put in her breasts.

 

[ScMc]

I am not a "Synthol" or "Steroid" expert ...but I am a Photoshop expert. I have googled Ruhl and can see how he could be as big as in the link I supplied.

...How's about you googlin' Gregg Valentino?

 

[EPROM]

I don't need to google Greg Valentino - his arms are not the result of steroid enhanced muscle. They are the result of extensive synthol injections - which is oil - essentially the same as plastic surgery. The same as a woman having way too much silicone put in her breasts.

Just so we are 100% on the same page ...Gregg's arms are not a result of Photoshop injections ...correct?

Why is it so hard to believe that those other freaks couldn't do the same damage to their bodies? Why do THEY get dismissed as Photoshop?

And what about that 300 pound freaky monster that JAM posted a while back? ...Was HE photoshopped also?

 

[ScMc]

Just so we are 100% on the same page ...Gregg's arms are not a result of Photoshop injections ...correct?

Why is it so hard to believe that those other freaks couldn't do the same damage to their bodies? Why do THEY get dismissed as Photoshop?

And what about that 300 pound freaky monster that JAM posted a while back? ...Was HE photoshopped also?

How old are you?

 

[dark-knight]

Just so we are 100% on the same page ...Gregg's arms are not a result of Photoshop injections ...correct?

Why is it so hard to believe that those other freaks couldn't do the same damage to their bodies? Why do THEY get dismissed as Photoshop?

And what about that 300 pound freaky monster that JAM posted a while back? ...Was HE photoshopped also?

Vallentino Photoshop injections? No. Synthol injections. Yes someone has explained this already if you read the previous posts. if you do a thread search on this guy there was agood link to an article of him making a dick of himself a few weeks back.

just remebered it was called the man whose arms exploded. Yes this guy is a classic case of someone who started out on the right track and lost his way.

 

[02gixxersix]

Here, let me make it easier for you.

I am NOT a STEROID OR SYNTHOL expert. I AM A GRAPHIC DESIGNER. If I PM you my website will you believe?

REGARDLESS of how these guys got so big ...my original question was HOW FAR IS TOO FAR?

You are stuck on protecting the steroid/synthol community and think I'm trying to bring everyone down. That's not what I am saying at all.

Look genius, the point is that they ARE NOT that big. Those pictures are PHOTSHOPPED!!!!!

 

[ScMc]

Horrible fucking thread.

 

[Kidda]

Because to people who have even a resonable knoledge of bodybuilding it is very obvious what is real and what isnt

For example this is an actual picture of Markus Ruhl: -

http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/starprofile/Markus_Ruhl.jpg

Looks pretty diferent to those first two pictures on your link doesn't it.

And it is easy to distinguish between photoshop, real muscle and synthol because they all have distinctly different looks.

EG: - Heres another Synthol user YouTube - Klaus Doring

who along with Greg Valentino has a completely different look to proper bodybuilders and photoshopped images.

I really can't be bothered explaining any more to you buddy because you really don't know your stuff so it is a waste of my effort.

 

[02gixxersix]

Lol it really is. Someone lock this as I am drawn to it every time I refresh the page for some reason.

 

[Kidda]

+1000 haha

 

[02gixxersix]

That Klaus Doring guy reminds me of fat bastard when he is sitting in the beginning. Huge titties.

 

[ScMc]

That Klaus Doring guy reminds me of fat bastard when he is sitting in the beginning. Huge titties.

LOL. Come on man, he's JACKED

 

[C Manson]

hahahaha how could u think these images are real???

they just look like cartoon pictures to me..its that obvioius...lol

 

[ScMc]

hahahaha how could u think these images are real???

they just look like cartoon pictures to me..its that obvioius...lol

dude dont question EPROM, he is a PHOTOSHOP EXPERT!!

 

[Mr. dB]

Greg Valentino's Arms are the result of Synthol, not Steroids - Do some research buddy.

Also - The first two images of the link are IFBB pro Markus Ruhl photoshopped - just google him to see what he really looks like! and the following 4 images are also photoshopped - and I think there was one other photoshopped image in there. Anyone with a half descent knoledge of bodybuilding could tell you this. Yes the rest of the images are extreme but this is Bodybuilding not build 10lbs of muscle and look like a fucking model - it is an extreme sport!

There's also a photo of Dennis James. Like Ruhl, James may be a monster, but he's nowhere as impossibly monstrous as his altered image on that page.

If the original poster can't tell that the first six images on the linked page are 'shopped, he needs to find a different profession.

 

[dabuffguy]

Cut the hostility in here. That's bullshit.


YES, they are photoshopped. They are totally fake until you get down the list further. The first two I can believe. the proportions of the body of the same guy look very equal and the veins and stuff look real. The others are a joke.

 

[nickster#1]

Not only are alot of those photos photoshoped, but some of those guys are the result of some physicians ability to not only do breast implants, but also pec implants, bicep implants, buttocks implants, etc...... I think a few are actually real, but the majority of the first round of photos are in fact touched up or implanted.

 

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

fake

 

[nickster#1]

And as dabuffguy said, chill on the hostility, please. Be adults.

 

[perryscoon]

Bro the first few pictures are the result of synthol AND steroids or they are simply photoshopped.

 

[drsketch]

yeah those are photoshopped,

thanks!

 

[dark-knight]

How far is too far?

This thread has gone too far. lol

 

[got2getripped]

sigh

 

[EPROM]

Not only are alot of those photos photoshoped, but some of those guys are the result of some physicians ability to not only do breast implants, but also pec implants, bicep implants, buttocks implants, etc...... I think a few are actually real, but the majority of the first round of photos are in fact touched up or implanted.

Ohhh, so NOW it's a full-scale conspiracy? These super-sized dudes FIRST had doctors use plastic surgery on them...and THEN they had someone photoshop them to make them look even BIGGER!

Again, regardless of whether it's synthol, steroids, or implants ...my ORIGINAL QUESTION was "How far is too far?"

I think some of you may be overly "sensitive" regarding this issue. Is this the case?

Birdman

 

[EPROM]

Bro the first few pictures are the result of synthol AND steroids or they are simply photoshopped.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere!

Now a combination of steroids AND synthol could equal the size shown in a "photoshopped image".

Birdman

 

[OneBreath]

LOL, this thread is comedy gold. These are infamous photoshopped pics that have been floating around the web for a few years now. They crack me up everytime though.

Now the valentino dude injects synthol. that's not a steroid, thats kind of like getting implants.

And the OP is right in his original argument. I just think its misguided towards steroids solely. Google synthol and you will find disgusting pictures of guys attempting to look like the photoshopped versions you posted. These are the guys with the problem you are describing.

 

[EPROM]

Here are some other ones floating around.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/ubersuder/118-1876Markus_RUHL_IMG.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/ubersuder/118-1876Markus_RUHL_IMGmod.jpg

Okay, obviously there is some Photoshop action going on in regard to these two pictures. The "sharp edge" on Ruhl's left arm in the Photoshopped image is a tell. Also, the "blury" look on the enlarged arms is a result of enlarging the existing pixels ...another tell.

The question I have is for every Photoshopped image floating around out there ...there is an "original" un-retouched image.

Where are the "original" .JPG images of the dudes shown in my link? .........Does anyone have an "original"?

Birdman

P.S. OneBreath, I've seen (and I KNOW you have also) some extremely crazy looking steroid-using dudes who really should have stopped 50 cycles ago.

 

[chazk]

“The first thing you’ll notice if you take up with a juiced chick is her heightened level of aggression. When a woman’s aggression is initiated by testosterone, the result can sometimes get ugly.”

In another irreversible side effect of clitoral enlargement from androgen use, he saw his girlfriend’s grow to be 2 inches long and as big around as his small finger. When a woman in this condition becomes aroused, her clitoris becomes erect and sticks out just like a man’s penis, complete with a little head and all.

 

[HAYEZ]

this is the stupidest shit..delete this thread

 

[OneBreath]

I definitely agree with you eprom, i just think you used a sledgehammer on a nail here LOL.

 

[EPROM]

Well, shit Hayez. I had you pegged as one of the posters I liked more than others. I liked your "I admire his freakiness" comment regarding the "exploding arms" thread a while back.

I don't understand why this thread (Click for JAM's 300 Pound Moster Link) shows nobody aslking for a deletion, ...but if I ask a simple "question" in this thread (How far is too far?) involving equally disturbing images ...you now ask for a deletion??

...That just doesn't make sense, bud?

Birdman

 

[EPROM]

I definitely agree with you eprom, i just think you used a sledgehammer on a nail here LOL.

Breath,

I understand. I'm going to give up on the original question anyway. One would think that knowing the limits of how far to go when using steroids (or that damned Synthol shit) would be an important subject. We see examples in other areas of personal alteration where people go WAY too far (Michael Jackson, Karen carpenter, etc.)

I am surprised to see such a heated response to suggest that it is POSSIBLE to go too far in building up one body. To me, the 300 lbs.guy in JAM's link has gone too far, but maybe not to others?

Are the psychological ramifications for over-use of steroids an off-limits topic? ...Is this taboo?

Birdman

 

[ScMc]

dude. People do to themselves what they want to. Yes, some guys obviously take it way, way too far.

The reason you got a negative response in this thread (from me at least) is because you clearly lied about being a photoshop expert.

 

[EPROM]

dude. People do to themselves what they want to. Yes, some guys obviously take it way, way too far.

The reason you got a negative response in this thread (from me at least) is because you clearly lied about being a photoshop expert.

I don't see how you can possibly state that I "clearly lied" about my personal experience with Photoshop. I AM a professional graphic designer and I wil PM you a link to my website (as I have done with the many s who called me a "liar" without any basis).

By the way, beign a graphic designer is NOT a big deal. It's nothing to brag about at all. I would much rather be a Marine Sniper, a Rock Sar or a UFC Fghter ...but I was born a graphic designer. Most artists are gay ..I am not. Most people on this forum probably have more exciting employment than me, but for some reason ...."I" must be a liar?

Birdman

 

[ScMc]

graphic designer or not, if you think this picture has not been fucked with, you are an idiot.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I am a professional graphic designer. Sorry, ...No Photoshop action going on and I use it on a daily basis.

How about some work on banners and stuff around the site bro?

 

[EPROM]

How about some work on banners and stuff around the site bro?

Actually, the EF website looks perfectly fine! Whoever has put this site together has done a damned good job.

...Besides, according to ScMc I'm a liar and an idiot. You probably wouldn't want a idiot/liar servicing your website.

Birdman

 

[EPROM]

graphic designer or not, if you think this picture has not been fucked with, you are an idiot.

That one is probably shopped ...but done very well.

Bad photoshop: (See Pic)

Bad Photoshop: (See Pic)


NOT photoshopped - but equally over-the-top: (See Link)

Photoshop ...or not? (See Link)

THIS is the fucker who bothers me (See Link) . If this is "Photoshop", then some homo spent WAY too much time on him because I can't find the "tells" of a Photoshopped image. He could have really "made" himself look this way (with steroids/synthol) because I have seen equally crazy looking non-doctored pics of steroid users. I CANNOT TELL how it was done so I can't ethically say it's a fake.

Lastly, my original question was "How far is too far?" Had I known it would result in so many sensitive bodybuilders calling me a liar and an idiot ....I would have just given up on the question all together.


I'm done with this.

Birdman

 

[got2getripped]

There is a bodybuilding video I saw on youtube, with that image of Markus Ruhl sitting and it was the real one. I tried to find it for like 5 mins last night and then just gave up because I don't care anymore. Some people are going to believe what they want and be self proclaimed experts anyway. I just find this frustrating because I've prooved this type of stuff false in the past and the person responsible for the argument or discussion just says whatever, plus this same exact topic is on virtually every other fitness board out there and the guys that start it don't follow bodybuilding don't know who Markus Ruhl is or any of the other guys they try to show as gross.

 

[dabuffguy]

That one is probably shopped ...but done very well.

Bad photoshop: (See Pic)

Bad Photoshop: (See Pic)


NOT photoshopped - but equally over-the-top: (See Link)

Photoshop ...or not? (See Link)

THIS is the fucker who bothers me (See Link) . If this is "Photoshop", then some homo spent WAY too much time on him because I can't find the "tells" of a Photoshopped image. He could have really "made" himself look this way (with steroids/synthol) because I have seen equally crazy looking non-doctored pics of steroid users. I CANNOT TELL how it was done so I can't ethically say it's a fake.

Lastly, my original question was "How far is too far?" Had I known it would result in so many sensitive bodybuilders calling me a liar and an idiot ....I would have just given up on the question all together.


I'm done with this.

Birdman

Bro, the only two that aren't shopped are the ones you said weren't.

the last one that "bothers you" is definitely photoshopped. The delts, bis, tris, traps, forearms, chest and medial quad all look faker than shit. The skin textures and appearance are VERY inconsistent and fake looking. If you ask my opinion, that photoshop is more obvious than some of the others.

 

[02gixxersix]

Okay, now we're getting somewhere!

Now a combination of steroids AND synthol could equal the size shown in a "photoshopped image".

Birdman

No. No one is as big as the pictures you showed. If they are that size and used synthol they do not retain the normal muscle shape generally as things just balloon up.

 

[timtim]

THIS is the fucker who bothers me (See Link) . If this is "Photoshop", then some homo spent WAY too much time on him because I can't find the "tells" of a Photoshopped image. He could have really "made" himself look this way (with steroids/synthol) because I have seen equally crazy looking non-doctored pics of steroid users. I CANNOT TELL how it was done so I can't ethically say it's a fake.

that pic is so photoshopped its a fucking joke. it looks like a cartoon and a pro graphic designer cant identify that? seriously terrible, clueless post.

 

[OneBreath]

THIS is the fucker who bothers me (See Link) . If this is "Photoshop", then some homo spent WAY too much time on him because I can't find the "tells" of a Photoshopped image.

I'm done with this.

Birdman

I understand why you don't like this one. Where is the symmetry? Dude needs to lay off the beach muscles and bring his legs up to speed. I'd say some machine leg extensions to bring out those quads are in order. Some seated calf extensions wouldn't hurt either.

 

[ScMc]

That one is probably shopped ...but done very well.

DONE VERY WELL? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON? HIS VEINS ARE CLEARLY FAKE AND DO NOT EVEN LOOK REMOTELY REAL!

NOT photoshopped - but equally over-the-top: (See Link)

steroids? yes. This guy has genetically superior legs though, end of discussion.

Photoshop ...or not? (See Link)

Obviously not photoshopped.

THIS is the fucker who bothers me (See Link) . If this is "Photoshop", then some homo spent WAY too much time on him because I can't find the "tells" of a Photoshopped image. He could have really "made" himself look this way (with steroids/synthol) because I have seen equally crazy looking non-doctored pics of steroid users. I CANNOT TELL how it was done so I can't ethically say it's a fake.

You need glasses.

Lastly, my original question was "How far is too far?" Had I known it would result in so many sensitive bodybuilders calling me a liar and an idiot ....I would have just given up on the question all together.

The thread subject does not piss anyone here off. Your blatant fucking stupidity and thick-headedness does.

AND PLEASE STOP SENDING ME PRIVATE MESSAGES

 

[dabuffguy]

The thread subject does not piss anyone here off. Your blatant fucking stupidity and thick-headedness does.

AND PLEASE STOP SENDING ME PRIVATE MESSAGES

And you need to stop be such a dick about it. We don't want this kind of shit around here. Clean it the fuck up now.

 

[SirStovetop]

Ah these are the threads I remember. Flaming back and forth over nothing that important. PS'd or not, none of those dudes look real or good. Save that shit on your PC and if at some point you think you might resemble one of them, take a month long break from the gym and a lifetime break from the sauce! That one dudes body had more veins than my enchanted meat whistle on a good day! And if anyone can photoshop that good on here let me send you a pic of my silly ass so you can shop me a sweet six pack and an extra two inches where it counts so I can post it as my myspace avatar and ruin my ex's day! hahaha

 

[perryscoon]

this is the stupidest shit..delete this thread

/Agree

 

[EPROM]

/Agree

It was pretty much dead ...until you brought it back to life.

 

[sugashane]

Look, you can dismiss it all as "Photoshop" or deal with the fact that OVER-use of steroids can turn you into a grotesque freak show. I guess Gregg Valentino carries a photoshopped cutout of himslef whenever he walks out in public? See Link

It's not a stretch to think one can become this hideously big by over using chemicals.

Birdman

Greg abused synthol. Steroids were not the reason he's that big. If steroids make people that big, then 90% of the MLB would be 300 lbs with 4% BF. Get a clue man. Steroids can't make you near that big. There IS a genetic limit to everything, even if you abuse every type and amount of gear, its physically impossible.

 

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

i'm dissapointed in even seeing this thread still going
ignorance is bliss