No More Fina!!!

[busdriver1]

I love fina, dont get me wrong, It has giving me gyno 2 times and I still persist to take it. There aint nothing like it. I have rid the gyno every time, it takes awhile but it always goes down. I am on my a cycle now and gyno is setting in again! I spent 1 year getting rid of it last time, summer is here and I was so excited to gotten rid of it, I am on my 6th week of fina and looking better than ever, and now this shit again! I am taking test-fina- winny, I am also on nolva, femara, and bromo. I still got freakin gyno! I dont believe this shit! I took every precaution there is. I have dropped everything and am staying on the nolva, femara, and bromo. I am so freakin pissed! I guess I will take anti's for another freakin year to try to rid it. I could have had surgery twice for the money I have spent on nolva, bromo, etc. in the past 2 years. Screw me!!!

 

[busdriver1]

well, to rid it, I jump on the anti's heavy and the bromo. I dont know if it would go down by itself if i just allowed it time, but it always goes down after a awhile. The problem is, it will take me all summer to get rid of it.

 

[swampmoose]

re

i get the same thing to bro, after a couple of weeks on the fina my left nipp starts to get a lump under it that fuking hurts like hell....thank god mine goes away in a few weeks though. my acne is even worse from this stuff. i believe i have used fina for the last time as well. going to stick to pharmaceutical grade in the future. lata

 

[The_Eviscerator]

I don't believe nolvadex and femara have any effect at all on progesterone related gyno, which fina gives you. Those would not be money well spent for fina protection.

There many people who disagree with this statement. I use femara, liquidex, or Nolvadex no matter what I am using and I never have a gyno problem. All gyno is ultimately caused by estrogen, so better to be safe than sorry.

 

[pitbullstl]

Hey Dial....what in your opinion is the best for preventing fina induced gyno??

 

[themacster]

No more Fina.

How about taking some liquidex. I know it doesn't permanently get rid of, but it does help reduce the swelling/puffiness alot.

It will help you out alot more than Nolvadex, in my opinion.

macster

 

[stockked]

Liquidex is the best thing around right now IMO. I dont have to worry about gyno anymore, thank God, but even after taking all those other drugs you still develope gyno? Man, it would suck to be you!

HOW DID YOU GET YOUR INSURANCE TO COVER THE GYNO SURGERY?

 

[Latamier]

Hey Dial....what in your opinion is the best for preventing fina induced gyno??

Liquidex is the best thing around right now IMO. I dont have to worry about gyno anymore, thank God, but even after taking all those other drugs you still develope gyno? Man, it would suck to be you!

 

[stockked]

I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE LAST POST#10 not post#9

 

[joack]

IMO - Get surgery if you're gonna juice for years to come.
I did, now no more probs with deca or fina (dont do lypo get it the gland cut out).

 

[stockked]

IMO - Get surgery if you're gonna juice for years to come.
I did, now no more probs with deca or fina (dont do lypo get it the gland cut out).

what surgeon did you go to?i heard you cant totally remove the mammary gland cuz your chest will look dented in,or a crater type look?

 

[Jimsbbc]

I know a guy who had the glands cut out completely and left two big dents in his chest where his nipples are. It looks fucked up to say the least. I would suggest doing lower a doseage of fina than is comonly recommended here bc a lot of guys on this board have gotten gyno from it

 

[stockked]

I know a guy who had the glands cut out completely and left two big dents in his chest where his nipples are. It looks fucked up to say the least. I would suggest doing lower a doseage of fina than is comonly recommended here bc a lot of guys on this board have gotten gyno from it

what do you recommend for a fina dosage weekly?

 

[satchboogie]

how much is a surgical procedure like that?

 

[stockked]

i got bromo thinking it would help me with fina gyno or deca gyno?

 

[joack]

what surgeon did you go to?i heard you cant totally remove the mammary gland cuz your chest will look dented in,or a crater type look?

Well for me... I had lypo done first and still had lumps. I forced him to cut that hard tissue out, his only concern post surgery was the sensitivity lost from my nipple area. Yea I lost sensitivity because some nerves were damaged but NO LUMP and no crater. Its perfect.
Cost me $5K because I had my abs and luv handles lypo'ed as well

 

[joack]

How do you guys nuts react to Fina? Mine shrank like a mofo and took a while to come back. It was probably due to my weak clomid dosages post cycle.

 

[joack]

how much is a surgical procedure like that?

Just for the surgery expect to pay between $2,500 and $3K. Some folks here were lucky enough to have their insurance pay for it. I took out a personal loan.

 

[busdriver1]

I know the gyno is from the fina, I never have a problem with anything else. I can take loads of test and no anti's and not have a problem. I guess I proved that bromo doesnt protect from prolactin gyno.

 

[joack]

I've been on fina since march 1 and the only sides effects I have are my muscles are swelling and I have to put more plates on the bar.

What does your cycle look like? I'm thinking about doing a fina/aratest cycle later this month.

 

[canadagold2000]

Re: re

i get the same thing to bro, after a couple of weeks on the fina my left nipp starts to get a lump under it that fuking hurts like hell....thank god mine goes away in a few weeks though. my acne is even worse from this stuff. i believe i have used fina for the last time as well. going to stick to pharmaceutical grade in the future. lata

lots of underground stuff will give you a bad breakout that is for sure. I stick with the clean stuff as well. There are fina's out there that are clean but they are hard to find.
keep safe
CG

 

[CrazyC]

Have any of you experienced gyno at 75mg/ed? Right now i'm running a prop/tren cycle. Also, i'm running the Prop at 100mg/ed. Do you think that's to much?

 

[zen42]

I love fina, dont get me wrong, It has giving me gyno 2 times ...

I am taking *test-fina-winny*, I am also on *nolva, femara, and bromo*. I still got freakin gyno!

Pet peeve...Postings that say "<fill in blank> is doing <blank>". But then we find out that actually several <fill in the blanks> are involved.

Let's try killing this myth again...

There is NO SUCH THING as "progesterone-induced Gyno".

I know, I know...stupid statement, after all we've all seen progesterone gyno posted thousands of times on the boards. (Including from me.) We'll it's not so stupid...

Several hormones are involved in breast development but only *estrogen* is involved in duct growth. No estrogen, no gyno.

What many people don't realize is that Trenbolone (Fina) DOWN-regulates Estrogen Receptors. Taking bromo, according to the theory, lowers progestin levels which would counter Trenbolone's down-regulation of estrogen receptors. It's effect on the PR probably upregulates the Estrogen Receptor. Winny is also used as a progesterone blocker by some fina users, but the medical research shows that while it binds to the PR it does not block progesterone production. Progesterone blockers are a PROVEN inducer of gynocomastia. To finish the trifecta, add in a bunch of testosterone and watch the excess aromatise into estrogen.

In this cycle Nolvadex and Femara would reduce the aromatase, however larger doses than what were taken were probably necessary. Especially with the combination of Bromo and Winny making the ER more sensitive.

For those who are ready to shoot me down, show me medical evidence (and gyno has seen lots of research) that ductal tissue grows without the presence of estrogen.

Here is some documentation (most found by Nandi12):
http://www.endotext.org/male/male14/male14.htm
http://www.bromocriptine.com/
http://www.femara.com/home/index.jsp

Int J Biol Markers 1995 Jan-Mar;10(1):47-54
Progesterone agonists and antagonists induce down- and up-regulation of estrogen receptors and estrogen inducible genes in human breast cancer cell lines.

Int J Biochem Cell Biol 1997 Feb;29(2):361-6
Antiandrogenic effect of RU-486 in the mouse kidney.
Tovar A, Sanchez-Capelo A, Galindo JD, Cremades A, Penafiel R.
Department of Biochemistry, Faculty of Medicine University of Murcia, Spain.

Case report: finasteride-induced gynecomastia in a 62-year-old man.
Am J Med Sci 1995 Jun;309(6):322-5
Volpi R, Maccarini PA, Boni S, Chiodera P, Coiro V.

Thompson DF, Carter J: Drug-induced gynecomastia. Pharmacotherapy 13(1): 37-45, 1993
Tamoxifen for flutamide/finasteride-induced gynecomastia.
Staiman VR, Lowe FC.

Fortschr Med 1998 Dec 20;116(35-36):18-22
Gynecomastia in men
Bullmann C, Jockenhovel F.

 

[JP@Ironology]

Bump.

 

[T-Biggs]

BUMP......


I'm running 75mg/Fina, 100mg/Prop, 100mg/Winny (also taking .5mg of Arm.) and in my thrid week now and the symptoms of gyno are now appearing and always do when I run Fina. I get a lump under my left nipple but when I stop the Fina or the cycle the lump goes down almost to nothing every time (past 3 cycles).
I started taking Nolv. Mon. at 40mg but have bumped up the dose to 60mg on Wed. and it seems the tenderness/soreness has went down a bit but it is still present.
I want to continue this cycle (total of 6 weeks so 3 weeks to go)Any other suggestions on getting tenderness/soreness down? Continue running the Nolv.? Add Bromo?