New findings on Chris Benoit...

[bottleneckblooz]

Just watched a good show talking about what doctors found when they studied Chris Benoits brain, you can read about it here....


http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/fighttothedeath/

 

[spikemydog]

i looked at all the wrestlers on the list there....i cant believe how many superstars from the 90s and up died at a young age....

 

[sparetire]

yeah that's pretty crazy, especially all of those heart attacks...wow..makes me wanna quit juicing...and after just putting 1.5 ccs of eq in me...

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Is it the gear, or the lifestyle?
I'm sure weighing 300lbs when your body is meant to carry only 220 is a factor.

 

[josenunes]

they do extremely long cycles, i heard that some of them not even stop them

 

[advanced-stealth]

Very good question bro. I wonder the same things you stated.

Is it the gear, or the lifestyle?
I'm sure weighing 300lbs when your body is meant to carry only 220 is a factor.

 

[galaxy]

Your talking about all the mini consusions he recieved correct? I just read the article in Maxim. I dont think the xanax and oxycontin helped either or the roids for that matter. Im sure there all contributing factors , but with such a senseless crime I dont think you can pinpoint one thing. I mean the whole thing was fucked up.

 

[ironcheif1984]

It was a pretty fucked up thing to do. I dont think that steroids would make you wake up one day and kill your family. That is insane.

 

[galaxy]

It was a pretty fucked up thing to do. I dont think that steroids would make you wake up one day and kill your family. That is insane.

Well im thinking:

Oxycontin + roids + xanax + mini concussions + your slightly fucked in the head to begin with = putting child in the "cross face" and laying Bibles next to there dead bodies.

But Im far from a forensic crime scene investigator

 

[footballstud]

It wasn't the roids that killed him and his family.

It was the anti-depressants. Most murder-suicide events (School shootings, church massacres, etc) are executed while the killer(s) are taking anti depressants. I'm sure there are other factors in to consider, but it's safe to say that these pills are killing people

 

[galaxy]

It wasn't the steroids that killed him and his family.

It was the anti-depressants. Most murder-suicide events (School shootings, church massacres, etc) are executed while the killer(s) are taking anti depressants. I'm sure there are other factors in to consider, but it's safe to say that these pills are killing people

Was he on any SSRI's? I know he was abusing benzos like xanax and valium, but most definately anti depressants played a role. Especailly if being abused.

People really dont understand how much there rolling the dice with these anti depressants. Especially when combining them with alcohol, sleep aids, cold medicins and oxycodone. Look at fucking Heath Ledger and hes just a mainstream guy. Im sure we all have somebody in out town who has accidentally overdose on pain meds when combined with other meds.

 

[footballstud]

Was he on any SSRI's? I know he was abusing benzos like xanax and valium, but most definately anti depressants played a role. Especailly if being abused.

People really dont understand how much there rolling the dice with these anti depressants. Especially when combining them with alcohol, sleep aids, cold medicins and oxycodone. Look at fucking Heath Ledger and hes just a mainstream guy. Im sure we all have somebody in out town who has accidentally overdose on pain meds when combined with other meds.

Anti-dep's, pain killers, ANY prescription drug is harmful. The human body is a healing machine. God made it this way, why go and fuck with it?
Eat well, exercise, stay away from MD's (with emergencies being the exception)

Misdiagnosis is the 3rd leading killer in the US, behind Heart disease and cancer. Those first two are even skewed due to the misdiagnosis' dilemna.

Fuck the US's medical model

 

[Daran]

It wasn't the steroids that killed him and his family.

It was the anti-depressants. Most murder-suicide events (School shootings, church massacres, etc) are executed while the killer(s) are taking anti depressants. I'm sure there are other factors in to consider, but it's safe to say that these pills are killing people

You're condemning SSRI's how the mainstream would condemn steroids, just shifting the blame.
Yeah, they probably made an already messed up imbalance worse, but it's safe to say it was probably a combination of all the things he did, and not just the anti-depressants.
Not trying to be rude, i'm just saying.

 

[galaxy]

You're condemning SSRI's how the mainstream would condemn steroids, just shifting the blame.
Yeah, they probably made an already messed up imbalance worse, but it's safe to say it was probably a combination of all the things he did, and not just the anti-depressants.
Not trying to be rude, i'm just saying.

Good point and I see what your saying. That being said, anyone who mentions they are depressed or down in the least bit is now given a pill.

All I have to do is look at my pen and pencil holder jar and its filled with 10 different prescription medication pens. All gifts from reps of course that your doctor than gladly hands out.

Im sure there is a place for them like anything but they really need to start looking into it. I mean the prescriptions written goes up every year I would guess without even looking and for the most part some of these drugs are very new with no real evidence on long term effects.

Many million dollar law suits going on with these companies that are kept pretty quiet, that would keep many people from even thinking of popping these pills unless they really needed them

I say this because I spent several years on them and my symptoms only got worse. My lethargy only got worse. The pills just substituted my desire to work out. Now what is healthier? Popping a pill or excersizing? Because its alomost a certainty they will make you a worse lifter?

Look at Mike Tyson? He had to come off them to be a better fighter or else he couldnt fight?

Now did he take them as prescribes and come off correctly ? Probably not. Its hard to tell really.

Anywya, Im rambling and Im done now.

 

[DannoMight]

Well im thinking:

Oxycontin + steroids + xanax + mini concussions + your slightly fucked in the head to begin with = putting child in the "cross face" and laying Bibles next to there dead bodies.

But Im far from a forensic crime scene investigator

totally agree

 

[bottleneckblooz]

They mentioned that the doctors who examined his brain said it looked like the brain of an 80 year old dementia patient.

 

[footballstud]

You're condemning SSRI's how the mainstream would condemn steroids, just shifting the blame.
Yeah, they probably made an already messed up imbalance worse, but it's safe to say it was probably a combination of all the things he did, and not just the anti-depressants.
Not trying to be rude, i'm just saying.

The public is uneducated about AAS, just as they are (in general) uneducated about pharmaceutical drugs. I know the good and bad of roids, and the good (which doesn't exist), and bad of SSRI's.

I'm not condemning only anti-deps, I'm condemning ALL pharmaceutical drugs and practice. A classmate of mine was a pharma rep, and knows how the industry is. His coworkers even agreed that they wouldn't care if a baby died, if they could make an extra $10,000 that year. This is common practice, with the companies giving bonuses for pushing drugs that they admit are KILLING humans.

So Benoit's brain was the consistency of apple sauce and this played a major role. But do you see Muhammad Ali killing his family? No, it was the meds that pushed him over the edge

 

[coxman]

The public is uneducated about anabolic androgenic steroids, just as they are (in general) uneducated about pharmaceutical drugs. I know the good and bad of steroids, and the good (which doesn't exist), and bad of SSRI's.

I'm not condemning only anti-deps, I'm condemning ALL pharmaceutical drugs and practice. A classmate of mine was a pharma rep, and knows how the industry is. His coworkers even agreed that they wouldn't care if a baby died, if they could make an extra $10,000 that year. This is common practice, with the companies giving bonuses for pushing drugs that they admit are KILLING humans.

So Benoit's brain was the consistency of apple sauce and this played a major role. But do you see Muhammad Ali killing his family? No, it was the meds that pushed him over the edge

wow..I didnt think Tom Cruise was an elite member!

 

[footballstud]

wow..I didnt think Tom Cruise was an elite member!

LOL, Cruise is whacked!

But the human body, with no interference, and in good health, cures all probs by itself

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I have to disagree with the anti medication view points.
When I stop taking Zoloft after a few weeks I get so irritable (on or off cycle) that I can't stand myself, and seriously start hating annoying people - which includes most everybody. For me, Zoloft is a great mood stabilizer.

 

[Cal_21]

Well im thinking:

Oxycontin + steroids + xanax + mini concussions + your slightly fucked in the head to begin with = putting child in the "cross face" and laying Bibles next to there dead bodies.

But Im far from a forensic crime scene investigator

Sig worthy.

 

[footballstud]

I have to disagree with the anti medication view points.
When I stop taking Zoloft after a few weeks I get so irritable (on or off cycle) that I can't stand myself, and seriously start hating annoying people - which includes most everybody. For me, Zoloft is a great mood stabilizer.

You're unhealthy, with subluxations

Bottom line

 

[Powerbuilder333]

You're unhealthy, with subluxations

Bottom line

Modern science/medicine or footballstud - hmmm.

 

[BIGBUCK$]

siiiiiiiiick

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

LOL, Cruise is whacked!

But the human body, with no interference, and in good health, cures all probs by itself

very very not true, or we wouldn't need penicillin.

 

[footballstud]

very very not true, or we wouldn't need penicillin.

Actually we don't. The body, WITH NO INTERFERENCE!!! fights off infection, disease (dis-ease),ect.

Subluxations are the direct cause of ailments in the body.

The human body is so amazing, the way God made it, that HIV never advances into AIDS (AIDS is caused by weakening of the immune system).

Or we could stay with the current medical model, pushing drugs and medical procedures (proven not to work), fattening the wallets of pharma companies.

Healing is from the inside out, not inside in

 

[Powerbuilder333]

^^^ So all those people in 3rd world countries who are dieing from diarhea because they don't have Ammodiem AD are dying because???
http://www.webmd.com/news/20060525/top-10-causes-death-worldwide

 

[footballstud]

Ammonium AD saving a life? You've got to be kidding me.

These children are malnourished and living in deplorable conditions. I can guarantee they have subluxations, aren't properly hydrated, and they're elders aren't leading a healthy lifestyle for them.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Ammonium AD saving a life? You've got to be kidding me.

These children are malnourished and living in deplorable conditions. I can guarantee they have subluxations, aren't properly hydrated, and they're elders aren't leading a healthy lifestyle for them.

I guess we should be sending them chiropractors to cure their shit's???

Here's a parody of another anti medication nut - birds of a feather flock together - lol. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/22/video-jerry-oconnell-parodies-tom-cruises-scientology-video/

 

[footballstud]

I guess we should be sending them chiropractors to cure their shit's???

Here's a parody of another anti medication nut - birds of a feather flock together - lol. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/22/video-jerry-oconnell-parodies-tom-cruises-scientology-video/

To cure their 'shits', headaches, cancer, you name it, a good DC could greatly impact the lives of these poeple

So you're saying that med's are working?

The U.S. is the MOST medicated country in the world, yet ranked LAST (in first world countries) in the world for keeping the population healthy.

Med's working??? No.

1 in 2 Americans will get heart disease
1 in 3 Americans will get cancer

Med's working??? No.

I'm only posting these facts to help people. You can curse me up and down, call me names, whatever you want, and I'll be fine.

 

[galaxy]

Interesting how a thread can go from Chris Benoit to Ammodium AD. Cant say I saw that one coming.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

To cure their 'shits', headaches, cancer, you name it, a good DC could greatly impact the lives of these poeple

So you're saying that med's are working?

The U.S. is the MOST medicated country in the world, yet ranked LAST (in first world countries) in the world for keeping the population healthy.

Med's working??? No.

1 in 2 Americans will get heart disease
1 in 3 Americans will get cancer

Med's working??? No.

I'm only posting these facts to help people. You can curse me up and down, call me names, whatever you want, and I'll be fine.

You didn't attribute your "fact's" to a source that could be verified. I'll try to find some to contridict your viewpoint.

I believe you believe in what you saying.

My father had similiar viewpoints on DC's. The chiropractors I saw as a child (several) did NOT cure my asthma, allergies, or any other problem other than straightening my spine, which wasn't that bad at the time. I'd have no problem going to another one - for neck, spinal and hip alignment!!!

Nope. We are NOT last among first world nations in health - measured by life expectancies - I believe the universally accepted standard of a populations overall health. Although we're near the bottom, which I'd guess has more to do with our dietary excesses than our medications.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

 

[footballstud]

You didn't attribute your "fact's" to a source that could be verified. I'll try to find some to contridict your viewpoint.

I believe you believe in what you saying.

My father had similiar viewpoints on DC's. The chiropractors I saw as a child (several) did NOT cure my asthma, allergies, or any other problem other than straightening my spine, which wasn't that bad at the time. I'd have no problem going to another one - for neck, spinal and hip alignment!!!

Nope. We are NOT last among first world nations in health - measured by life expectancies - I believe the universally accepted standard of a populations overall health. Although we're near the bottom, which I'd guess has more to do with our dietary excesses than our medications.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

So if meds are working, why aren't we number one? According to your source, we are behind nearly every country in Europe. Have you seen their lifestyle? They start smoking as soon as they're born, and drink several times a day. Their diet is drastically different from US, and a good deal of them don't own a car.

If you'd be so kind to quote me again, I said "good DC". Not any DC
I too had allergies, asthma, got sick several times a year, in poor health, on several pills, treatments, hospitalizations, ect. Now I get adjusted a few times a week, have ZERO symptoms of the mentioned above. These miracles happen every day.

Once again, God didn't make Big Macs and Burrito supremes, man did. Diet is a large part of health, as is exercise. For your body to work like it was created, you have to give it a chance.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Because of Socialism (no, I'm not a fan) most Western Europeans have free access to modern medicine, and medications. Something Americans lack - mostly to their own fault.
I'm sincerly glad you got such dramitic results from your DC. If you know a good one in Vegas that accepts HPN insurance please PM me.
I'm not as closed minded to alternative medicine as you seem to be to conventional medicine.
And yes I have been to Europe. My family comes from Norway, and except for diet (Massive amounts of fish, and a early dinner time.) none of the conditions you discribe applies to my Norwegian relations.

So if meds are working, why aren't we number one? According to your source, we are behind nearly every country in Europe. Have you seen their lifestyle? They start smoking as soon as they're born, and drink several times a day. Their diet is drastically different from US, and a good deal of them don't own a car.

If you'd be so kind to quote me again, I said "good DC". Not any DC
I too had allergies, asthma, got sick several times a year, in poor health, on several pills, treatments, hospitalizations, ect. Now I get adjusted a few times a week, have ZERO symptoms of the mentioned above. These miracles happen every day.

Once again, God didn't make Big Macs and Burrito supremes, man did. Diet is a large part of health, as is exercise. For your body to work like it was created, you have to give it a chance.

 

[footballstud]

Because of Socialism (no, I'm not a fan) most Western Europeans have free access to modern medicine, and medications. Something Americans lack - mostly to their own fault.
I'm sincerly glad you got such dramitic results from your DC. If you know a good one in Vegas that accepts HPN insurance please PM me.
I'm not as closed minded to alternative medicine as you seem to be to conventional medicine.
And yes I have been to Europe. My family comes from Norway, and except for diet (Massive amounts of fish, and a early dinner time.) none of the conditions you discribe applies to my Norwegian relations.

I should've been clearer about Europeans. I meant mainly Italians and French. America's diet prob is horrible. And yes, this causes dis-ease.

I couldn't find a DC in the Vegas area practicing under the model of Chiropractic I refer to. But the trick is finding a Principled, inside out based office. This is where health begins

 

[Daran]

The public is uneducated about anabolic androgenic steroids, just as they are (in general) uneducated about pharmaceutical drugs. I know the good and bad of steroids, and the good (which doesn't exist), and bad of SSRI's.

I'm not condemning only anti-deps, I'm condemning ALL pharmaceutical drugs and practice. A classmate of mine was a pharma rep, and knows how the industry is. His coworkers even agreed that they wouldn't care if a baby died, if they could make an extra $10,000 that year. This is common practice, with the companies giving bonuses for pushing drugs that they admit are KILLING humans.

So Benoit's brain was the consistency of apple sauce and this played a major role. But do you see Muhammad Ali killing his family? No, it was the meds that pushed him over the edge

Just to make it clear, I'm not 'all for' SSRI's either. But they have their place with SOME people. (They are way too overprescribed though)

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

Actually we don't. The body, WITH NO INTERFERENCE!!! fights off infection, disease (dis-ease),ect.

Subluxations are the direct cause of ailments in the body.

The human body is so amazing, the way God made it, that HIV never advances into AIDS (AIDS is caused by weakening of the immune system).

Or we could stay with the current medical model, pushing drugs and medical procedures (proven not to work), fattening the wallets of pharma companies.

Healing is from the inside out, not inside in

subluxations? That's really not even worth responding to. You going to push activator method chiropractic on me now?

 

[footballstud]

subluxations? That's really not even worth responding to

Sounds like something coming from a person with neuro-interference and subluxations, or just the uneducated. I am truly sorry.

You going to push activator method chiropractic on me now?

Activator, Gonstead, Toggle, Upper cervical, or (insert any proven technique here). I'm not going to push it on you at all. I am trying to help you and others who may be dying early

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

Sounds like something coming from a person with neuro-interference and subluxations, or just the uneducated. I am truly sorry.



Activator, Gonstead, Toggle, Upper cervical, or (insert any proven technique here). I'm not going to push it on you at all. I am trying to help you and others who may be dying early

lmao, yeah... uneducated. Go ahead and bastardize several hundred years evidence based medicine for your claims... it's okay... I'm uneducated.

 

[footballstud]

lmao, yeah... uneducated. Go ahead and bastardize several hundred years evidence based medicine for your claims... it's okay... I'm uneducated.

If you take these drugs, I'm sorry for you and your family. The side effects are usually worse than the original problem. Then you need more drugs to the the side effects. Eventually the Doc may think you are not thinking clearly (how could you with all these poisons in your body). So they then put you on SSRI's. It's a downward spiral. Is this what God intended for your health?? I think not

MD's have admitted to prescribing drugs just because the patient asks them.

These Doctors even claim to prescribe placebos up to 45% of the time, just so the patient will shut up. Not only making the Doc's look bad, it's proving humans do NOT need drugs to recover from their ailments.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1700079,00.html

 

[redguru]

Since when was Tom Cruise a football stud?

 

[redguru]

I have no problem with using a chiropractor when warranted, but you can't cure every illness with an adjustment of the spine. That's as much tomfoolery as Tom Cruise and his e-meter.

 

[footballstud]

I have no problem with using a chiropractor when warranted, but you can't cure every illness with an adjustment of the spine. That's as much tomfoolery as Tom Cruise and his e-meter.

If you're seeing the wrong DC, you can't. But to say chiropractic is only for back and neck pain is like saying ketchup can only be used on french fries. There are so many benefits to receiving chiropractic care.

However, this isn't the correct forum to even debate on this issue. I apologize for hijacking this thread, and only want to help people.

Chris Benoit had many, many issues. This myriad of problems ultimately led to him being in a altered state of mind, where killing his beloved family and himself seemed like it was the right thing to do. Wrestlers, football players, boxers, and even soccer players deal with head injuries their entire careers. Hopefully we can do something to prevent tragedies like this from happening in the future.