Need help with passing guard...

[skittles]

This is really a newbie question...lol.

In my BJJ class we have only done technique. I am still really new, so I barely know anything.

Last class my instuctor had me & my partner try to pass each others guard & go to side mount (or if you had the guard on you had to try to get on the persons back). Now, I haven't learned ANY techniques to get out of either position. When the girl is smaller/same size as me, I have no problems. When I'm up against the bigger girl, it was tough. She had me in guard & I used my elbows to get out. Her legs are HUGE, so this took a long time (I think she just got tried). Is there a certain area of her leg that I should be digging my elbows into? Like by the knee, or up higher on the thigh? Any other way to get out of this?

Now, when I have my guard on her I really don't know what to do. I know a few armbars, but nothing to get on her back. The only thing I can think of trying is to push my hip out & put a leg over her neck, then flip myself. Is this even a move? Any ideas?

I know these are dumb questions, but I REALLY don't want to 'lose'.

Thanks guys

 

[shotdrops286]

YOu wanna move your knee to right under her butt and then dig your elbows into the theighs when the legs go down slide your other knee ovr her leg to pin it. You may be in half gaurd at that point keep wiggling and youll end up in side mount. If your fast you could reach behind and grab at her ankles and throw her leg over your head but beware of the triangle.

 

[skittles]

So, if I was trying to pass it & go to side mount (on my right side) would I put my left knee under her butt, right elbow into the thigh? Does it matter which part of the thigh I dig into? That's a great move about throwing her leg over my head. I'll have to try it!

Thank-you

YOu wanna move your knee to right under her butt and then dig your elbows into the theighs when the legs go down slide your other knee ovr her leg to pin it. You may be in half gaurd at that point keep wiggling and youll end up in side mount. If your fast you could reach behind and grab at her ankles and throw her leg over your head but beware of the triangle.

 

[shotdrops286]

So, if I was trying to pass it & go to side mount (on my right side) would I put my left knee under her butt, right elbow into the thigh? Does it matter which part of the thigh I dig into? That's a great move about throwing her leg over my head. I'll have to try it!

Thank-you

yes but you would use both elbows and dig into the theigh above the knees. If the person you are rolling with is more experienced i wouldnt throw the leg over ive been caught in trianagle a few times. the less experienced people usually are not quick enough. IF your class allows it you could also do a neck crank just grab her head and pull up on it so her chin coes to her chest it hurts like hell and she will break her gaurd to releive the pressure but some BJJ schools shy away from cranks

 

[skittles]

OK, do I put both elbows into the right thigh?

I don't know about cranks, I got yelled at for picking up & slamming though. We aren't allowed to slam...lol. I'll try it & see if I get yelled at.

Any tips on how to get on her back (when I have her in guard)?

Thank-you so much!!!

yes but you would use both elbows and dig into the theigh above the knees. If the person you are rolling with is more experienced i wouldnt throw the leg over ive been caught in trianagle a few times. the less experienced people usually are not quick enough. IF your class allows it you could also do a neck crank just grab her head and pull up on it so her chin coes to her chest it hurts like hell and she will break her gaurd to releive the pressure but some BJJ schools shy away from cranks

 

[shotdrops286]

one elbow in each theigh and press downwards. To get the back from gaurd you will need to learn sweeps or get lucky cant really explain it.

 

[Judo Tom]

there are lots and lots of ways to pass guard but always try to keep your balance and correct posture

slide one knee to the center on her tail bone but not 'under' it she should try to slide up your leg and you should try to keep her hips down on the mat. slide your other leg backwards forming a right angle with your legs. this will create some space and allow you to work a bit easier.

from here my favorite method is to push one of there knees down towards the mat and get my knee on there upper thigh and try to pin it to the mat. i then slide my other leg out behind that leg and fall into side mount

as far as getting her back if she is heavy use yourlegs to push her away and break her down. dont let her sit up on her knees or push her away at the hips. then you want to slide out to the side and start climbing up onto her back.. keep control w/ your legs as much as you can the whole time.

good luck and just keep having fun and getting better. dont be afraid to lose and dont be afraid to try new things just to see what happens.

 

[skittles]

Thank-you!

When I have her in guard (you said to use my legs to push her) do I hold down her head. I'm thinking I hold down her head (so she can't move) then push with my legs.

I'm so new...lol.

Thanks again

there are lots and lots of ways to pass guard but always try to keep your balance and correct posture

slide one knee to the center on her tail bone but not 'under' it she should try to slide up your leg and you should try to keep her hips down on the mat. slide your other leg backwards forming a right angle with your legs. this will create some space and allow you to work a bit easier.

from here my favorite method is to push one of there knees down towards the mat and get my knee on there upper thigh and try to pin it to the mat. i then slide my other leg out behind that leg and fall into side mount

as far as getting her back if she is heavy use yourlegs to push her away and break her down. dont let her sit up on her knees or push her away at the hips. then you want to slide out to the side and start climbing up onto her back.. keep control w/ your legs as much as you can the whole time.

good luck and just keep having fun and getting better. dont be afraid to lose and dont be afraid to try new things just to see what happens.

 

[Kane Fan]

the only dumb thing is the instructor having you try to create moves because he hasn't taught you them...
is the BJJ class straight BJJ or is it for a mixed class
passing guard is a lot easier if your permitted to strike them in the face while you do so

 

[Kane Fan]

OK, do I put both elbows into the right thigh?

I don't know about cranks, I got yelled at for picking up & slamming though. We aren't allowed to slam...lol. I'll try it & see if I get yelled at.

Any tips on how to get on her back (when I have her in guard)?

Thank-you so much!!!

you slam? I love you marry me
is your instructor actually doing any instructing cus he also skipped telling you not to slam people...
what does he actually do just watch you wrestle?

 

[Judo Tom]

lol and Kane's proposal!

sounds like they are doing just bjj? if not punching definately changes things when it comes to the guard game IMO

as far as controlling the head YES it is critical so she cant try to regain her posture or balance

and again dont worry about not knowing enough techniques at this point. just have fun and get used to the positions and what is happening.

i often have the new kids work w/ me just to reward them a bit for training hard. a lot of times they dont know what to do or whats going on and i just tell them to relax, have fun and try whatever pops in there heads at first.. imo its better then waiting a month or two to do any fighting so long as safety is taken care of

 

[Dieselgoku23]

you cant slam at your school??? WTF that kinda reminds me when I took a Judo course in an University it was so gay, I was slamming a lot of black belts the first day and then later they say no slamming only y competition, shit sucked.

 

[skittles]

the only dumb thing is the instructor having you try to create moves because he hasn't taught you them...
is the BJJ class straight BJJ or is it for a mixed class
passing guard is a lot easier if your permitted to strike them in the face while you do so

It's straight BJJ

The class is so mixed, we have total newbies & every level up. Everyone has the same class, so the advanced people train with the advanced people (including the instuctor) etc. Every half an hour or so they show the newer people a new technique (just never anything to pass guard, get on your partners back). Everyone fights the last hour of class (but last week was the first week they let me).

Yeah, it sucks not knowing wtf I'm doing. I ordered a few tapes (I hope that helps!)

I wish I could strike in the face. My partner elbowed me in the mouth & my teeth went through my lip (accident). I wish I would have been allowed to pound her face in ...lol.

 

[skittles]

you slam? I love you marry me
is your instructor actually doing any instructing cus he also skipped telling you not to slam people...
what does he actually do just watch you wrestle?

LOL...only if I can slam you

I'm allowed to pick her up (just not slam her). Kind of takes the fun away!

 

[Yarg!]

one elbow in each theigh and press downwards. To get the back from gaurd you will need to learn sweeps or get lucky cant really explain it.

Lol thats the cheapest move , but it works. Its kinda frowned upon in tourneys and class sometimes because it required like no skill to do: all you do is cramp them out. A very basic guard pass is to hold on to their belt and press down or press down on their waist and explode on to your knees sort of liek a prayer position to get a solid base. Now start 'walking' back as in shifting your knees back , moving back along the ground, at the same time apply pressure on their waste so they can't move. If their legs do not open, which is usually the case, then you raise one leg to the side like you're kneeling, grab your ankle thru your opponent's leg and straighten your leg out, and it opens them up. This is very risky because if you do not hold the other person steady, they can easily apply a triangle or arm bar at this point. Now that the legs are opened, push one leg towards their face with your shoulder , as in bulldoze it while keeping the other leg pinned down. That is called stacking. When you push far enough where their leg is almost stretched, move to the side, and place one hand under their neck and hug them close. That is side mount. That is also extremely difficult to describe lol. Another type of pass is to pin their biceps to the ground as you stand up. And make sure you explode up and keep atleast one bicep pinned down OR you can keep their shoulders/outer chest down. At the same time keep your hands close to your body, that means do not isolate them out infront of you as you push because they can arm bar or triangle you if you leave your arms out there. Then dig your forearm/ elbow into their inner thigh near their knee joint (any thigh you chose) and push down, thus breaking the guard, stack them and move to side. If you do not have their biceps pinned, they can pull on your ankles as you stand and push you back with their guarded legs, thus making you fall over- its a very common sweep.

Not a guard pass, but it is something useful and kind of tricky: but its really, really effective. If someone has their forearm across your neck and is (while they are inside YOUR guard )applying pressure, you can grab on their tricep, and one hand on their Gi cuff and pull with that hand. At the same time push with the hand that is placed on the back of their tricep (arm) and also thrust your hips into their air and push him in the same direction you are pulling with your Gi cuff hand. This places the opponent on their side in your guard, which is great because you can just swing over and get their back and setup a rear naked choke.

 

[skittles]

Thank-you!

I have lot's of stuff to try tonight

Thanks guys.

 

[Judo Tom]

slamming takes no skill and isnt the most practical thing anyway. if slamming is legal people would not hold closed guard when you try to pick them up. there isnt much point in practicing slamming someone from guard IMO

striking def. changes things up but if your in a bjj class you have to understand that you are primarily focusing on your ground grappling technique not ground and pound type stuff. the people there should be really good at helping you and teaching you these type of techniques and it doesnt matter as much how good there striking is on the ground to get you going.

yarg: people really consider that move 'dirty' ? we teach that and some variations off that as the first guard pass to most people.

when people do that to me i just try to sit my uppper body up and 'snatch' one of there arms elbows off my legs and pull it across my body. you can also just switch to an open guard game which i use a lot in practice

 

[bloodinbloodout]

for some reason this thread turned me on

 

[Kane Fan]

LOL...only if I can slam you

I'm allowed to pick her up (just not slam her). Kind of takes the fun away!

I'd love to have you slam me
but I'm way too big I think
do you get points for picking her up since there would be a slam following in competition?

also I think it sucks that your paying for a class AND you have to order tapes....are there other schools in your area
and how is your MThai going?

 

[Kane Fan]

Lol thats the cheapest move , but it works. Its kinda frowned upon in tourneys and class sometimes because it required like no skill to do: all you do is cramp them out. A very basic guard pass is to hold on to their belt and press down or press down on their waist and explode on to your knees sort of liek a prayer position to get a solid base. Now start 'walking' back as in shifting your knees back , moving back along the ground, at the same time apply pressure on their waste so they can't move. If their legs do not open, which is usually the case, then you raise one leg to the side like you're kneeling, grab your ankle thru your opponent's leg and straighten your leg out, and it opens them up. This is very risky because if you do not hold the other person steady, they can easily apply a triangle or arm bar at this point. Now that the legs are opened, push one leg towards their face with your shoulder , as in bulldoze it while keeping the other leg pinned down. That is called stacking. When you push far enough where their leg is almost stretched, move to the side, and place one hand under their neck and hug them close. That is side mount. That is also extremely difficult to describe lol. Another type of pass is to pin their biceps to the ground as you stand up. And make sure you explode up and keep atleast one bicep pinned down OR you can keep their shoulders/outer chest down. At the same time keep your hands close to your body, that means do not isolate them out infront of you as you push because they can arm bar or triangle you if you leave your arms out there. Then dig your forearm/ elbow into their inner thigh near their knee joint (any thigh you chose) and push down, thus breaking the guard, stack them and move to side. If you do not have their biceps pinned, they can pull on your ankles as you stand and push you back with their guarded legs, thus making you fall over- its a very common sweep.

Not a guard pass, but it is something useful and kind of tricky: but its really, really effective. If someone has their forearm across your neck and is (while they are inside YOUR guard )applying pressure, you can grab on their tricep, and one hand on their Gi cuff and pull with that hand. At the same time push with the hand that is placed on the back of their tricep (arm) and also thrust your hips into their air and push him in the same direction you are pulling with your Gi cuff hand. This places the opponent on their side in your guard, which is great because you can just swing over and get their back and setup a rear naked choke.

that's cool
I've done it the other way to do a side choke but I think using that as a sweep would probubly kickass to
especially since I have noticed some difficulty maintaining that choke from bottom anyway

 

[Kane Fan]

slamming takes no skill and isnt the most practical thing anyway. if slamming is legal people would not hold closed guard when you try to pick them up. there isnt much point in practicing slamming someone from guard IMO

striking def. changes things up but if your in a bjj class you have to understand that you are primarily focusing on your ground grappling technique not ground and pound type stuff. the people there should be really good at helping you and teaching you these type of techniques and it doesnt matter as much how good there striking is on the ground to get you going.

yarg: people really consider that move 'dirty' ? we teach that and some variations off that as the first guard pass to most people.

when people do that to me i just try to sit my uppper body up and 'snatch' one of there arms elbows off my legs and pull it across my body. you can also just switch to an open guard game which i use a lot in practice

slamming is more strength then skill, but slamming WELL does take skill

 

[thePros.TV]

Lol thats the cheapest move , but it works. Its kinda frowned upon in tourneys and class sometimes because it required like no skill to do: all you do is cramp them out. A very basic guard pass is to hold on to their belt and press down or press down on their waist and explode on to your knees sort of liek a prayer position to get a solid base. Now start 'walking' back as in shifting your knees back , moving back along the ground, at the same time apply pressure on their waste so they can't move. If their legs do not open, which is usually the case, then you raise one leg to the side like you're kneeling, grab your ankle thru your opponent's leg and straighten your leg out, and it opens them up. This is very risky because if you do not hold the other person steady, they can easily apply a triangle or arm bar at this point. Now that the legs are opened, push one leg towards their face with your shoulder , as in bulldoze it while keeping the other leg pinned down. That is called stacking. When you push far enough where their leg is almost stretched, move to the side, and place one hand under their neck and hug them close. That is side mount. That is also extremely difficult to describe lol.


hey Yarg!
I think that was a mighty fine discription!
Skittles,
From a woman's POV and IMHO, this technique is great. I have taken Jiu-Jitsu for 8 years and in all my time it has been my trusted tried and true method of escape. In the beginning i spent many a day getting WORKED over by bigger, stronger people. When I started training there were no women/girls in my class or even at my school for that matter. I am an ace at defense and protecting my ears! ( don't want gross cauli ears) Guys dont want to lose to girls, thats a fact, so I got twisted more often than not. What this did, was develop patients and good technique. I was NEVER going to win on strenght EVER.
I like to think of Jiu-Jitsu as Chess, a move, then a counter move, you have to think about your game, be patient and when the opportunity presents itself, attack. I spent my time as a white belt training with Purple or Brown belts so I would'nt get beat up so often, (thank you Reylson) instead I would learn, not just fight for my life curled up in a defensive postition! Maybe your instructor would let you train with an advanced student, you would learn a ton, and they will not have the ego a white belt might.
I have only a few moves that I actually use often to get the tap, triangle, footlock and an arm bar, I took the time to master those, and they work everytime. Best word I could give is be a sponge, it does not matter if you lose now (if you plan on any tourneys losing is not good) class time is to learn. Oh.... slamming is desperation, you could really hurt a beginner that has no clue how to fall, or knows how or WHEN to let go. And another thing don't do something to someone else you would't want done to yourself.... we used to hear this alot, fighting dirty to get the win!!! Sometimes, I wish I did!!! ha!
Oh and and one more thing try sparring with a t-shirt, no Gi top, it's fun and a challenge!

 

[Judo Tom]

slamming is more strength then skill, but slamming WELL does take skill

yeah i kinda went over the top w/ that because there are many ways to counter and prevent a slam if you are good as well.

 

[Judo Tom]

in judo it used to be if you attempted a slam all you would have to do is raise the guy above your shoulders and that would end a match.

now if you pick the guy up from teh guard and he completely clears the matt they stop and restart standing.. so i am pretty good at keeping someone from picking me up while i have them in my guard...

 

[Demonix]

Another good one that is kind of dirty. But if you are somewhat strong you can do a neck crank to loosen a guard up. You might even get a couple taps as well. A lot of people don't like neck cranks, but hey I don't like getting caught in armbars in the gaurd either!