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I've so far payed for tren ethamante and test ethamante and cabar for anti estrogen. .I'd like info advice exactly how to use this most effectively and if anything else is needed. .my goals are to lose and shred weight and turn fat into lean muscle ..I'm a bigger boned person with extra baggage that I have to get rid of..I've been working out pushing to new limits and I fear that I've came to a stand still ..I've done a cycle in the past I have no history of any side affects ..I'm 6'2 height and 258 weight ..id like to speak with someone privately to..thanks in advance to anyone who participates in this thread and look forward to any advice..I'll check back to this thread daily
j_p
Newbie
1# dont use tren for many cycles its pretty harsh
2# first cycle = Test only if your smart, with an AI like arimidex
3# caber is NOT even an AI....
4# where is your AI for test?
5# where is your PCT for recovery?
6# dont use AAS with high body fat, it will cause you MORE side effects and risk. higher BF can also lead to more estrogen conversion.
7# do you know the diff between a SERM (clomid and tamox for eg) and an AI ( letro, dex and so on)
8# you shold not be doing cycles at this point, nore should you have
no offence but you have a heck of alot of more research to do before buying or doing anything or you are likely going to hurtyourself. spend a few months researching.
good luck
2# first cycle = Test only if your smart, with an AI like arimidex
3# caber is NOT even an AI....
4# where is your AI for test?
5# where is your PCT for recovery?
6# dont use AAS with high body fat, it will cause you MORE side effects and risk. higher BF can also lead to more estrogen conversion.
7# do you know the diff between a SERM (clomid and tamox for eg) and an AI ( letro, dex and so on)
8# you shold not be doing cycles at this point, nore should you have
no offence but you have a heck of alot of more research to do before buying or doing anything or you are likely going to hurtyourself. spend a few months researching.
good luck
wantagetbuff
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j_p, have you heard of priming? I read and was told that so called big boned guys should use it before any cycle. It's apparently taking clomid, Nolvadex, and or hcg. I think the principal is to lower ones estrogen levels so while working out they lose fat quicker and can get some gains. All before starting a cycle. I've been trying to look some of this up and research it but really not that much info. Have you heard of this?
wantagetbuff
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Not that I'm trying to give lucky 515 any advice over yours. Just thought the question was appropriate for what he's asking.
Thank you all for info and advice..some was more harsh that I thought would be..in my mind I was ready and well aware of my lack of knowledge this why I joined this great forum. .I don't want to be discouraged here at all..ive got so much of that allready ..I know this had to be done correctly ..and I HAVE NOT STARTED A CYCLE YET ..and no to comment above I have not heard of that. .I've been working out my entire life .other than the lack of knowledge I'm ready for this...and to the gentleman above I will start test only..and to everyone else that gave advice thank you very much and I promise to research more before going on..but I have bought what I said allready ..I will read up and search on all tbis for sure. .I know I'm not pose to relie on someone to just do research for me .guess lazily I was looking for step by step directions and know exactly what you guys thought I should do I filled out my profile if anyone wants take a look..I'm going threw divorce right now and I'm very motivated .I'm at a stand still on workouts meaning feels like getting no where ..same weight and size even though working out daily..to give me head start I if anyone got some direct links to threads I could read after work ..and I don't know the differences between those steroids the guy asked me..but I have started reading threw threads with those names mentioned..in "getasneedass " thread. ..in read in thread caber was cheaper version of an anti estrogen ..in read that in this forum a thread I'm subscribe to..unless I just read it wrong. .
Hey mate use the search box to search for "first cycle"
And "The perfect PCT " and "AI" You Will learn heaps, I actually did the same thing nearly a decade ago, then use this thread to ask new questions as you get stumped.
This is a brother hood mate bros here to help and give tough love to some times but it's all for good.
Brad.
And "The perfect PCT " and "AI" You Will learn heaps, I actually did the same thing nearly a decade ago, then use this thread to ask new questions as you get stumped.
This is a brother hood mate bros here to help and give tough love to some times but it's all for good.
Brad.
You should start your own thread. I have heard of and done a nutritional prime but nothing like you mentioned with nolva etc. Start a thread about this, your stepping all over this guys toes man.
RADAR
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You may pm me if you wish, i have over 35yrs in this field.
So far I've dropped 22 pounds of fat by diet and running and local gym ..I need to lower body fat % even more before starting to get the most out first test only cycle..and to lower estrogen levels by dropping more body fat..so figured first do fat burner cycle.i have what I need for this ..it's all oral .take like 12 weeks I beleave ..I know when I start I need eat lot more meats right ?..I can Google tbis though. .mainly just need advice about pct and when and how much ..you have real good info allready
AF PROSPECT
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Test only on the first cycle my friend. Tren is fantastic for down the road!
Porsche_Shiftin911
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People say all the time to do your first cycle of test. My first cycle was oral tren and enanthate and bold. I'm a go big or go home kinda guy. One thing I will say is definitely do your research first. It's not rocket science. There's just a lot you want to learn. Pct is the most important part but, there is mid cycle therapies you can use as well like hcg, arimidex and proviron just to name a few. I'm still learning new things because I want to be very knowledgeable when it comes to cycles. I am by far no expert, I'm simply stating that don't get discouraged and run. I see that all over theses forums. New people ask all the time what to do and members make it sound very intense, which it can be but if you do your research it's not that difficult. That's why I didn't ask this question when starting. I read as much as I possibly could and then jumped in feet first and the gains were worth it times 100!!!
Thanks man..I do agree..I was intimidated for real..but I've had some really good help.ive also learned a ton.there is .ore to learn though. .I've got my first cycle ready...arimidex and proviron are for different things correct. .i only got airimdex for dureing cycle but only if I need it..then I've got nolvadex for pct ..also later on LIQUIDEX another estrogen blocker..proviron I beleave is for like milky nipples or like oozing substance leaking out nipples ..arimidex fights gyno /anti estrogen ..my first cycle will be all test ethanate 500mg a week .I'm gonna taper off at end of cycle lower doses ..then on 3rd week after last pin take nolvadex...but I'm not starting till I drop 20 more pounds of fat..I've dropped 25 allready...I've read high body fat % creates high estrogen levels...
Ok..once I start my first all test cycle ..what should my diet look like ? Right now I eat like a rabbit mostly greens calaflower broccoli carrots. .and fish or chicken every day 2 means a day. .breakfast is organic oatmil or 3 eggs ....should I sick to same diet ? Or start eating meats and more calories all day long. Like much as possible? Like steak chicken fish pork chop ect ect
What should my diet look like once stating my cycle ?..eat alot more meats ?..steak ..chuckin...Patatos. more calories? Eat alot and more often ?
RADAR
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Also ...I have tamoxifen instead of clomid ..so dosage will differ ..I ran out of space in my mess.and don't want to erase none of that great info..so reply here please..and yes I agree test only for first run..I was getting to excited I realize this is a process. .and a lifestyle and cannot be done correctly in such a short time..I will take your advice...but I
In your opinion what's the best AL that you recommend.?..cause all most everyone I read about all say they are the best ..also from what I read most AL'S have other benifits ,like boosting the effects of test..ect ect...but I don't seem to see much a diff.between AL'S and pct ...they mainly use the same thing ..but just a different schedule to take them ..also I'd like to run some fat burners and do lot cardio on my off cycle time ,would this make me lose muscle mass I've worked so hard to obtain during cycle ?..I'm sure there is a balance to it right.?
Also like input on best ways to fight against high blood pressure and water retention..I haven't experience this side affects yet .but I understand these are common side affects ,and if there is any supplements or over counter products or anything else good to take that will help ,plz share this info..I've Google most of this.but not really found answer looking for
RADAR
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I'm using some now that is 8-10yrs old The only thing i can tell on some is the oil seems a tad bit thicker when i inject, other than that it still works as good as the newer stuff, As long as it is stored in a cool dark place away from sunlight it will keep way longer than the Exp Date.
Bottom Drawer in the fridge is a good place to keep stuff.
When I first started I wasn't ready ..I did take your and other people advice though. .before I started I read and learned so much..but I bought somethings first. .bad idea I know this now..I got something called "fat burner cycle"...it's all oral ..like 4 different types of steriods ...now that I know this would be horrible for my liver right ?....I'm thinking now was total waste of money..I'm wish I would of slowed way down ,I've wasted so much learning ..RADAR ,you never do all oral cycle of anything so you? ..
So you saying you used this product before ?.I am on a test only cycle ..test e...using roid plus products ...but my friend said he likes this stealth labs stuff..but look very watery ..said it was water based..I just like to know or hear from someone who had used this before to ensure me that it's good..and. not underdosed. .the vial had some type of cork in it ..looked weird..never seen this befire..but I be leave elite fitness is some type of partnership or sponsor to them ...so that's a good thing ..have you used this stuff before ?
Chuck up a picture lets have a look at it
Radar or anyone else qualified ..I need to know exactly how to dose EPHEDRINE AMP ,0.05g 1ml 1amp ..it was sent to me for free..it don't know how exactly..and don't want to over dose ...due to side affects and sped up heart rate...I've Google it and found some answeres..but I'd like to hear from my fav.forum and people here ..from what I read 1 amp is equal to about 2 tabs...so I should only need half of an amp for 1 dose put in some sort of drunk or cofee..I'm aware of the stack people use with it..like asprin..and caffine...but I'm not willing to chance this..I'm using it to help burn fat during cardio workouts ...also should I take a dose even when not working out once a day?.or only before workouts ..and how long should I use this for..I know the affects won't work if dosed every day for so long ..
what kind of test is it? test e? test p? test suspension?? Elitefitness is not partners with any steriod based operations, that is false
It's test E ....from stealth labs..they ship very decret..I've read in this forum somewhere talking about them..and I thought I read they were a soonser..maybe I'm mistaken..I read somewhere Waterbase.test has no ester.and pose be safer..I've also been told there is no water base test ...either way I'm not messing with it..but need to know if it's fake or not
RADAR
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Woah!there is alot of conflict concerning injectable ephedrine, as a beginner you should avoid it. Sides associated with this Heart attack, stroke, seizure.
RADAR
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if it was given to you then there is no telling what it is.
Heres a read on a certain epherine product.
The Best Ephedrine Dosage for Weight Loss and Pre-Workout Supplements
I'm gonna email you ..and let you know few more details about exactly where came form..I think where it came from makes it legit..I'll email you tonight from counternail...I'll appreciate all your input..let's say I use something else to burn fat.?.what's your advice about what's best to burn fat.?..you use research chems?..
Just wanted drop in and share..I'm on my 7th week of test only cycle ..and I've came a long way...I feel much better and look much better then before..I've gained pleanty of muscle I can tell and so can other people I get pleanty of comments from the people I work with and know...very happy with the results ..and my body handling it very well in my opinion. ..I think I'm gonna run it for 12 weeks..tapering off starting on the 10th week..then take 12 weeks off...and use the sarm.called s4 along with Cadrine, another sarm.well in that family anyways..use as a bridge in between cycles burn more fat build more lean muscle...my pct will consist of nolvadex starting 3rd week after last pin..and bottle of unleashed test booster starting same time as nolvadex...I'm not sure yet but most likely continue the use of my liquidex every 3rd day for the 3 weeks of pct...and no that will be it...if anyone cares to give advice to give me a better pct ..??.I've read about the perfect pct..I'm just going off of what I allready have bought and have on hand ..I also have pill form of arimidex but that's best ran with cycle .so want to save it for next cycle .
you dont need a perfect pct.all those items arent nessassary unless you comming off a long cycle thats very hard to recover from
what is your pct again, im sorry .
3rd week after last pin..start nolvadex and unleashed factory test booster...do this for 3 weeks...also I could continue using my liquidex on every 3rd day along with everything else. .but that is it. ..should I keep using the liquidex along with nolvadex for my pct?..or stop the liquidex and start the nolvadex by its self? ..I been using the liquidex the entire cycle every 3rd day,at low dosage
If anyone wants to talk about what's known as (bridge) between cycles I'd like to hear about this to..I've read so much allready. .I've got couple sarms allready ,and ready to use once off cycle.lil info about when I should start be cool..should wait till pct is complete ?..then start the bridge ?....and any info from people that use sarms be nice...I'm aware of the s4 vision inssiues...radar has also spoke with me about that and dosage...
Can someone please tell me if they think the little white looking thing on nipple Is a issue ?..I'm on a all test cycle I've recently increased dosage from 500 to 600ml week..I use liquidex as an AL..every 3rd day at low dose ..do I need to increase the liquidex or stop and start nolvadex?.I was planning to use nolvadex for pct.im on my 8th week of cycle ..or am I just tripping and this ain't nothing
RADAR
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I did some research on this and i wouldn't touch it,Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.
Call your doctor at once if you have any of these serious side effects, even if they occur up to several months after you stop using amiodarone:
a new or a worsening irregular heartbeat pattern;
fast, slow, or pounding heartbeats;
feeling like you might pass out;
wheezing, cough, chest pain, trouble breathing, coughing up blood;
blurred vision, vision loss, headaches
What are the precautions when taking amiodarone hcl tablets (Cordarone)?
Before taking amiodarone, tell your doctor or pharmacist if you are allergic to it; or to iodine; or if you have any other allergies. This product may contain inactive ingredients, which can cause allergic reactions or other problems. Talk to your pharmacist for more details.
Before using this medication, tell your doctor or pharmacist your medical history, especially of: liver disease, lung disease, thyroid problems.
This drug may make you dizzy. Do not drive, use machinery, or do any activity that requires alertness until you are sure you can perform such activities safely. Limit alcoholic beverages.
This medication may make you more sensitive to the sun. Avoid prolonged sun exposure, tanning booths, and sunlamps. Use a sunscreen and wear protective clothing when outside.
RADAR
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I'm sorry i have been trying to find where all that info came from, but all i can find at the moment is at higher dosages is that this product may cause cancer.
If by some chance i do find where i got that extra info i'll besure to let you know.
RADAR
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Albuterol is alot easier on the body then clen as far as fat burners.
RADAR
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Members I have used every concieveable method to gather this info again , it must have been a glitch in the network i have no conclusive evidence to where it causes all the symptoms listed.
Again My aplolgies.
RADAR
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If alot of you had been here 7 yrs ago you would have read about me running a 4-5 month Dbol cycle. So yes i have ran a couple of long oral cycles. Take note that these are ran a certain way that you will not find using search engine.
RADAR
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No they are not!!!
Both Nolva and Clomid will bring HPTA when used alone. But Clomid is bit better at bringing test while Nolva is better at blocking estrogen .
They both increase FSH and LH levels in the body, but they work best when stacked together as they work synergistically. I recommend running the perfect PCT protocol after each cycle: The Perfect Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) - Evolutionary.org
Ok..I'm on 3rd cycle ..but not consecutive..spread out ..I've used only test so far ...my goal is to be lean..lean muscle..not letting heavy..need to confirm like I've read other places ..test can be used as a decent cutting agent ,of diet properly right ?..low calories and lots protein drinks ,veggys ,fruit ect..maybe a under 2,000 calorie diet..also I'd like to stack something else to better benefit being lean ,shredding fat ect ect ..my body fat is at all time low in my life ..no idea what is exactly..but I've been doing the insanity workout for month,before that all cardio for last year ..I'm at end of first week test only 500ml week 2 pins..what your opinion to stack with?..I'm scared to even use tren E 500..although I have it .I've read to much about side affects..maybe prim?
RADAR
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I'm kind of stuck at the moment, my computer is so old my email doesn't work, i'll need a new computer to upgrade to windows 10. Isn't life fun?
So I've read test e can also be used as a cutting agent if the diet is correct ..is this true ?..low calories ..with insanity workout every day and rest weekends..no heavy lifting..maybe couple times at most hitting small weights at gym...I just want know if that would work, lose fat ect ect build lean muscle..can it be done juts using the insanity workout and lifting only your body weight ?
RADAR
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Delete your old pms and your sent pms also this will free up storage space.
RADAR
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You can cut if your diet is dialed in , but to get big you're gonna have to lift big, but eventually your body will get used to lifting your own body weight.
I'm trying to cut ..and gain lean muscle..not lift big anymore..I want that lean look this time ..but insanity workout takes so much out of me !!...I tried lifting some once .but it juts made my performance during insanity suck..so for now until my body gets used to lifting own body weight this will be ok..and yes my diet is great ..all healthy and perportioned..and low calorie ..I will try delete pms.asap so I can contact you !thanks radar !!
Advice on mast E and test e cycle ...3rd cycle only used test e first 2 times ....want to cut and lean muscle..my workout is insanity workout every day..and run long miles on weekend ..I still get sore from lifting body weight ..so not lifting weights at the time..allready on 3rd week of test only ..want to add mast E and do a 12 to 14 week cycle..with Nolvadex and test factory unleashed for pct..been takeing cardarine and N2 gaurd.since beginning of cycle and will continue threw out cycle and pct..thought about adding winny 25mg a day oral as well ..but idk...want sides to a min..and I'm ok with takeing my time ..even if waiting to add a third steroid to the stack till next time ..I do plan to lift again. But not until it won't affect my insanity workout..I want to keep doing insanity more then just the 60 day program..I'll just restart it ..diet is on point according to radar grocery list of super foods
RADAR
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Test is test, whether its prop, cypionate, or ethanate, all that is different is the ester.
I would select var over winstrol.
Here is a good video for you to watch on how to properly run a first steroid cycle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqBLCSaKsW4
A simple testosterone cycle of 10-12 weeks at 400-500mg/week is your best option for a first cycle. Being new to steroids, your body will hyper respond and you don't need a very aggressive cycle. It's very similar to an 18 year old having their first drink. A single drink really hits them because they have never drank before. However, a more experienced drinker would need much more alcohol to get the same effect.
This sport is all about progression. It's a marathon. You want to start slowly and work your way up. For a second cycle you can do testosterone + an oral as a kick start. For a third cycle you can do testosterone + an anabolic + an oral as a kick start, etc. If you start with a very aggressive cycle right off the bat, where will you go from there when you plateau? By starting slow you leave 'all your aces in the hole' and will be able to make progressive gains for a long time.
Here's what I recommend:
Weeks 1 - 10
testosterone 500mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day
After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.
A simple testosterone cycle of 10-12 weeks at 400-500mg/week is your best option for a first cycle. Being new to steroids, your body will hyper respond and you don't need a very aggressive cycle. It's very similar to an 18 year old having their first drink. A single drink really hits them because they have never drank before. However, a more experienced drinker would need much more alcohol to get the same effect.
This sport is all about progression. It's a marathon. You want to start slowly and work your way up. For a second cycle you can do testosterone + an oral as a kick start. For a third cycle you can do testosterone + an anabolic + an oral as a kick start, etc. If you start with a very aggressive cycle right off the bat, where will you go from there when you plateau? By starting slow you leave 'all your aces in the hole' and will be able to make progressive gains for a long time.
Here's what I recommend:
Weeks 1 - 10
testosterone 500mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day
After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.
I would also recommend adding Cardarine at 20mg per day if you want more of a lean look. It will be very beneficial to these Insanity workouts and any cardio you do. It also directly burns fat.
Great advice ..but I've ran everything you mentioned allready ..I'm currently at the end stretch of my third cycle..I've ran test only first 2 cycles..I ran test and var this time ..only ran var for 4 weeks ,along with cardarine 12 weeks..I should've waited til last 4 weeks of cycle to run the var,and should've ran it the first 4 weeks. .lack of experience ...my 4th cycle in about in 2 to 3 months later, I'd like advice on what to use..my main workout is insanity ,plus some light weights ,lots reps..I bulk very easily without even trying to,I'd like to cut, and lean muscle more than anything ..I'd don't care about getting huge anymore ..I have a great source ,and get all other products threw ag guys,and ND sarms1.com..thankyou..and hope to hear more advice on how long I should wait to do 4th cycle and what to use. How about deca and test ?..and var last 4 weeks ?..and I use liquid aromasin for an A.I...and Nolvadex and liquid clomid and test booster for pct...
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