Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Im on my second cycle this year and within the last two weeks after every hard chest workout I'm noticing my chest swell a little larger then I would like. It seems to be some bloating and fat tissue. But I think is a little gyno settling in. I dont have any Nova on hand and I don't know anyone I can get it from. I do have Clomid and I was thinking of Chrysin. Can someone suggest maby a particular brand of Chrysin or any other alternitives. PLEASE !
Need Help Advice on a Anti Estro
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PimpnAintEasy
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Well, not to preach, but you broke a cardinal rule of Proper AS usage, and that's starting a cycle without ample anti-e's available. This is how a lot of people end up with gyno, because anything you buy OTC will be next to useless at this point. You really need Nolvadex now, and an aromatase inhibitor as well (not chrysin, but something like Arimidex or Proviron). If you ignored the early symptoms and gyno has set in, its too late, but you can keep the tissue size down with the anti-e's already mentioned. Find them, it isn't that hard----and if its just a scare, this should be a valuable lesson.
Bootyshaker
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Unfortunately I don't have any nolva on me right now.But I am sure someone will help ya out.
P^.s. I am not a source when I say "help you out" I mean with the goodness of there heart!
Bootyshaker
P^.s. I am not a source when I say "help you out" I mean with the goodness of there heart!
Bootyshaker
Thanks for the advice guys. I appreciate it. The cycle is Omadren 250 at 250mg/week and Deca (decanandrolin) 200MG/week. I've done this cycle before, Got great results. I figured that the dosages are low enough that I wouldn't need any ant-e's but I guess I might be A little more sensitive than others. FU_K~!
Just to make sure Chrysin = Wase of money? Even if I absoulutly cant get my hands on anything quickly.
I know in tests done by AST research some companies Chrysin products were reported to contain 27mg of Chrysin vs the advertised 250. If thats true I sould buy that companies pills and take 10 a day!
Just kidding
What about Clomid Itn't it supposed to have some Ani-e properties as well as being a nut booser.
Just to be on the safe side I started Clomid monday, so hope that works.
Peace
I know in tests done by AST research some companies Chrysin products were reported to contain 27mg of Chrysin vs the advertised 250. If thats true I sould buy that companies pills and take 10 a day!
Just kidding
What about Clomid Itn't it supposed to have some Ani-e properties as well as being a nut booser.
Just to be on the safe side I started Clomid monday, so hope that works.
Peace
PimpnAintEasy
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Oh shit, I was hoping you weren't going to say Deca....These are pretty low dosages (particularly Deca) but having Deca in the equation does raise some other issues. There is a much greater chance that the gyno is estrogen induced, however, you can't completely rule out progestin effects either. Apparantly, you are very sensitive to gyno, and can NOT do another cycle with androgens without anti-e's, and Deca should be stacked with winny in the future. In fact, along with the advice above, it would be a good idea to get a hold of some winny to use in your cycle. Sorry bro, and good luck.8pack said:
PimpnAintEasy
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Using Eq with Test makes it much easier to combat gyno and sides, as you are only concerned with estrogen activity. It is also a very effective anabolic and is excellent for producing LBM gains when used with Test. Make sure to use an aromatase inhibitor with these and have some Nolva on hand.8pack said:
In regards to gynemastia, it is a growth of fatty breast tissue on your chest. Men typically will gain fat most pronouncely in their midsection, unless it is estrogen induced. If you're gaining fat on your chest and not elsewhere (proportionally) while on a cycle, you should be concerned. They're not going to look like "hangin titties", particularly in the beginning.
PimpnAintEasy
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Proviron, Arimidex (aqueous: Liquidex) are your primary aromatase inhibitors to be used with AS. Chrysin and others are not as effective.
Clomid is best for post cycle & not an adequate substitute for aromatase inhibitors, particularly when combined with Nolvadex.
Clomid is best for post cycle & not an adequate substitute for aromatase inhibitors, particularly when combined with Nolvadex.
8pack if i were you i would cut this cycle short as of today since you do not have anti-e's.unless you think your just parinoid, save the rest of your gear for next cycle when you are prepared with nolva,proviron,or armidex,what do you all think about that?? this is just what i would do.and just think youll have even more gear to start your next cycle.
ps:how dose it feel around the nipple area,is it puffy or itchy,or sensitive to the hot water in the shower,do you feel a lump under your nipple,give us some more details,bro so we can help you
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ps:how dose it feel around the nipple area,is it puffy or itchy,or sensitive to the hot water in the shower,do you feel a lump under your nipple,give us some more details,bro so we can help you
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Thanks for the advice. I'l stop now till my guy can get a hold of the stuff I need. But just to get into more detal: No they are not sore and the nipple area is not puffier then the rest, It's jsut the fact that the Fatty tissue in the whole chest area is jsut larger in perportion to my Abs or other body parts. Also just standing with my arms to my sides I can notice that the left nipple is hanging slightly lower then the right one. It could be bloating as a result of the Test. But you never know.
I'm jsut gonna go and buy the Chrysin and take it till the good stuff arrives.
I'm jsut gonna go and buy the Chrysin and take it till the good stuff arrives.
twintowerz
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8pack I got the same problem . I mean with gettin nolva. Thats why I'm not starting my cycle yet. I've been waiting to start and it's getting really frustrating. I know that with my cycle I should definetly have some on hand but my source is empty. If you hear anything let me know. And to anyone else also. [email protected]
badgermilk
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My 2 cents for 8pack
It sounds like you are looking for praise to use the clomid as an anti-estrogen 8pack. I added a piece of a clomid profile below that explains why you should not use it in place of Nolvadex, Proviron, Arimadex, etc.
Since the antiestrogenic effect of Clomid is lower than those found in Proviron, Nolvadex, and Teslac it is mainly taken as a testosterone stimulant. Clomid is a medication that promotes the production of the body's own stimulating hormone, gonadotropin, which in turn increases the testosterone level.
The duration of intake should not exceed 10 to 14 days. Most athletes begin with 100 mg/day, taking one 50 mg tablet every morning and evening after meals. After the fifth day the dosage is often reduced to only one 50 mg tablet per day It is normally not necessary to take the compound for more than ten days in order to increase the endogenous testosterone production. Since Clomid should not be taken for a prolonged time its application as an antiestrogen must be excluded because, for that purpose, it would have to be taken for several weeks.
It sounds like you are looking for praise to use the clomid as an anti-estrogen 8pack. I added a piece of a clomid profile below that explains why you should not use it in place of Nolvadex, Proviron, Arimadex, etc.
Since the antiestrogenic effect of Clomid is lower than those found in Proviron, Nolvadex, and Teslac it is mainly taken as a testosterone stimulant. Clomid is a medication that promotes the production of the body's own stimulating hormone, gonadotropin, which in turn increases the testosterone level.
The duration of intake should not exceed 10 to 14 days. Most athletes begin with 100 mg/day, taking one 50 mg tablet every morning and evening after meals. After the fifth day the dosage is often reduced to only one 50 mg tablet per day It is normally not necessary to take the compound for more than ten days in order to increase the endogenous testosterone production. Since Clomid should not be taken for a prolonged time its application as an antiestrogen must be excluded because, for that purpose, it would have to be taken for several weeks.
skrewdriver
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why shouldn't you take clomid more than two weeks?
Weam
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Please stop posting any outdated information
Clomid can be taken year around without any problems and that's medically proven, the reason for why it shouldn't be used for more than 14days allows only for women due to the menstrual cycle but men do not have menstrual cycle and a study proved that Clomid is totally safe when given fore nearly a year
The reason for why Clomid can't work against gyno, it just blocks the Estrogen receptors at the hypothalamus and other specific areas therefor it called an Anti-Estrogen but it won't be able to block Estrogen receptors at the breast tissue
Clomid can be taken year around without any problems and that's medically proven, the reason for why it shouldn't be used for more than 14days allows only for women due to the menstrual cycle but men do not have menstrual cycle and a study proved that Clomid is totally safe when given fore nearly a year
The reason for why Clomid can't work against gyno, it just blocks the Estrogen receptors at the hypothalamus and other specific areas therefor it called an Anti-Estrogen but it won't be able to block Estrogen receptors at the breast tissue
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badgermilk
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For you Weam!!!!
If you can take clomid year round, then supply us with the study's stating this!
I have searched the web for hours and can not find anything that supports your statement that it can be taken year round.
Yes it is specifically for women, but the side effects are the same for male and female..
SO WEAM stop making statements that you can't prove!!!!!!!!
P.S. show us what you got weam............because you would be pretty stupid to think that someone on this board is going to take clomid year round because you said so with no proof.....well think again..
There is no need to take it year round, fore it is just to restart the body's process of making it's own endogenous testosterone production.
If you can take clomid year round, then supply us with the study's stating this!
I have searched the web for hours and can not find anything that supports your statement that it can be taken year round.
Yes it is specifically for women, but the side effects are the same for male and female..
SO WEAM stop making statements that you can't prove!!!!!!!!
P.S. show us what you got weam............because you would be pretty stupid to think that someone on this board is going to take clomid year round because you said so with no proof.....well think again..
There is no need to take it year round, fore it is just to restart the body's process of making it's own endogenous testosterone production.
ultragainz
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wow.....
thefacelessballer
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NEVER start your cycle if you dont have proper anti-'s and clomid..
Weam
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Re: For you Weam!!!!
I'm not going to be brief here, look at this study:
SOURCE: J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1976 Dec;43(6):1370-7
TITLE: Restoration of plasma testosterone levels in uremic men with clomiphene citrate.
AUTHORS: Lim VS; Fang VS
ABSTRACT: Five men with chronic renal failure and symptoms suggestive to androgen deficiency were treated with clomiphene citrate (Clomid) at a dose of 100 mg/day for a period of 5 to 12 months. The treatment resulted uniformly in increased libido, sexual potency, and a general sense of well-being. Circulating testosterone rose from mean basal value of 223 +/- 164 to 879 +/- 171 ng/dl (SD), representing a mean increment of 290%. Mean serum lutenizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) values before treatment were 76 +/- 40 and 143 +/- 85 ng/ml (SD). During treatment, both LH and FSH increased dramatically to 518 +/- 302 and 787 +/- 291 ng/ml (SD), respectively. Both serum gonadotropin values are expressed as ng/ml of LER 907. The effect of clomiphene on spermatogenesis in these subjects was inconclusive as either improvement or deterioration occured. In these five patients, serum prolactin was not related in any way to testicular function as its values were consistently in the normal range throughout the entire study period. Serum total estrogen, however, was elevated in all; the significance of this high circulating estrogen in relation to gonadal dysfunction in uremia is
not clear at the present time. However, we found that normalization of circulating androgen was beneficial to our patients and that long-term clomiphene treatment achieved this goal by increasing pituitary gonadotropin secretion and secondarily stimulating testicular hormonogenesis with no adverse reactions.
another thing
Bill Roberts stated for meso-rx.comClomid at 100 mg/week is safe for long term use in men. click here
again for Testosteorne.net
Its safety in men has been shown for periods of up to a year.
Dan duchaine stated for Muscle Media 2000
There are no adverse reactions with long-term use in men that I know of.
also I said Clomid is totally safe when given for* nearly a year and I didn't say year around, there is very big difference here
I hope that's enough for you badgermilk to keep your mouth shut
I'm not going to be brief here, look at this study:
SOURCE: J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1976 Dec;43(6):1370-7
TITLE: Restoration of plasma testosterone levels in uremic men with clomiphene citrate.
AUTHORS: Lim VS; Fang VS
ABSTRACT: Five men with chronic renal failure and symptoms suggestive to androgen deficiency were treated with clomiphene citrate (Clomid) at a dose of 100 mg/day for a period of 5 to 12 months. The treatment resulted uniformly in increased libido, sexual potency, and a general sense of well-being. Circulating testosterone rose from mean basal value of 223 +/- 164 to 879 +/- 171 ng/dl (SD), representing a mean increment of 290%. Mean serum lutenizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) values before treatment were 76 +/- 40 and 143 +/- 85 ng/ml (SD). During treatment, both LH and FSH increased dramatically to 518 +/- 302 and 787 +/- 291 ng/ml (SD), respectively. Both serum gonadotropin values are expressed as ng/ml of LER 907. The effect of clomiphene on spermatogenesis in these subjects was inconclusive as either improvement or deterioration occured. In these five patients, serum prolactin was not related in any way to testicular function as its values were consistently in the normal range throughout the entire study period. Serum total estrogen, however, was elevated in all; the significance of this high circulating estrogen in relation to gonadal dysfunction in uremia is
not clear at the present time. However, we found that normalization of circulating androgen was beneficial to our patients and that long-term clomiphene treatment achieved this goal by increasing pituitary gonadotropin secretion and secondarily stimulating testicular hormonogenesis with no adverse reactions.
another thing
Bill Roberts stated for meso-rx.comClomid at 100 mg/week is safe for long term use in men. click here
again for Testosteorne.net
Its safety in men has been shown for periods of up to a year.
Dan duchaine stated for Muscle Media 2000
There are no adverse reactions with long-term use in men that I know of.
also I said Clomid is totally safe when given for* nearly a year and I didn't say year around, there is very big difference here
I hope that's enough for you badgermilk to keep your mouth shut
badgermilk
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If you tell me I'm giving false info, all I ask is prove it...good job weam..
Nuff Said Weam....
That's all we wanted was some documentation......man..
That's awesome info Weam...you da man..
I think I will start a thread with that info weam, because there are so many people from what I have read on this board that are unsure......
Bump....
Nuff Said Weam....
That's all we wanted was some documentation......man..
That's awesome info Weam...you da man..
I think I will start a thread with that info weam, because there are so many people from what I have read on this board that are unsure......
Bump....
