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17 in a few days,male.How do you get over depression? Seen a shrink he was quite simply the most useless person ever,said fuck him so shrink doesnt work. Tried drugs recreational,good for temp. only a short term benefit.
Tried online scription drugs like xanax and diazepam,my insomnia was cured,but still fatigued always and pissy. Been this way for 2 years heres what I self diagnose: antisocial-definite on that,I havent left the house in 5 months,seriously.Havent seen my friends in several months,kinda slowly freindships faded,havent been with a girl in over a year.
Insomnia-I do sleep,but it is usually for long periods of time and after 2-3 days without any sleep at all,not by choice,I simply lay down for 3 hours and still cant sleep.

Fatigue-always!I mean always,wheter its mid day or even if I sleep well.I eat as much as I want-Im underweight,and normally.Want to workout and such,but I am always tired and always fail.

Others-Im cynical,and lazy=*not lazy I just never do anything but when I do it has to be absolutely perferct so maybe thats one reason I fail at lots of things.So I give up and say fuck it,or tomorow I will fix my life,but tommorow never comes.

Not suicidal,meaning I have not attempted it,nor do I desire to,but I do think about it,but I dont see it as an option.


Not "ugly" or nothing like that,average,although I do have low self esteem and 0 confidence,I just dont like new people or new anything.

Really medical help isnt an option,simply refuse it,except meds which can be obtained very easily online or in the real world.Tried it though,improvement but not too effective.

My main problem is fatigue thats the bitch,you know if I could wake up energized and not passed out like,I could workout and take care of myself which supposedly would help everything else.

Anyone know what I am saying or just too fucked up>
 
oh yeah and now im out of cigarettes so shit! 8 hours to look forward to without them----I cant quit tried It makes me crazy without them.Made it a week one time though.







update,I moved some furniture found a half a pack,yes.Very good news.
 
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see a doctor, the meds you took are sedatives.

if you are depressed they are not the meds for you

skip recreational drugs, they can worsen the problem

you will want to be taking some sort of serotonin influencing drug, most likely...but leave that to your doc

cheers
 
Not to offend you buddy, but sometime's you just have to man up. Get counseling, get some test and go to the gym. It worked for my best friend. The Doc's had him on thorozine, paxel, and klonopin. He dropped all but the klonopin [to party with] and now he's much happier. Good luck.
 
yes, the 20th centrey is great. the time of the drugs. there is a fix for everything, you just need to pop a few pills.........yo have a chemical imbalance, thats it lol
 
1-religion ha,that would just anger me further
2-fuck a model,first that would be nice,but that doesnt seem to work,if I try I am sure I can get laid but thats not really the top of my agenda at the moment
3-xanax I took for anxiety,valuum I dont know why I took it. Same with lortabs.
4-Testosterone?I dont think at my age that would be a wise choice,although this is supposed to be my prime,it makes me wonder,if this is my prime,the rest of my life is going to be unimaginable shit.
5-counseling+md not an option,rather I wont man up,didnt like previous experiences


My main problem is fatigue.Why am I tired 24/7.Why am I in complete lack of energy?
Is it because of a "chemical imbalance"?

I am considering ordering prozac online.
 
grahf2 said:
1-religion ha,that would just anger me further
2-fuck a model,first that would be nice,but that doesnt seem to work,if I try I am sure I can get laid but thats not really the top of my agenda at the moment
3-xanax I took for anxiety,valuum I dont know why I took it. Same with lortabs.
4-Testosterone?I dont think at my age that would be a wise choice,although this is supposed to be my prime,it makes me wonder,if this is my prime,the rest of my life is going to be unimaginable shit.
5-counseling+md not an option,rather I wont man up,didnt like previous experiences
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It sounds like you've already made up your mind, and your not going to take anyones advice. Since you think chemicals are gonna help have you taken anything to speed you up and give you energy?
 
Heres my stand on this.I do go outside.I garden(weird huh,I like to plant food plants,not useless flowers and crap) I have tried a shrink.It was uneffective.I dont know if chemicals will help,I just wanna fix my fatigue.I mean do I just have to "rough"
it by running and running for weeks straight to improve energy or what? The way I see it if I can fix fatigue,everything else will go away.
 
grahf2 said:
My main problem is fatigue.Why am I tired 24/7.Why am I in complete lack of energy?
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Because you are depressed. But, you already knew that. To get to the root of the problem, you are going to have to do things that you don't want to do - like see a Doc/Shrink. If you don't want to do that, then don't complain. Life is tough sometimes. You don't need to make it any tougher by ignoring good advice.
 
grahf2 said:
1-religion ha,that would just anger me further
2-fuck a model,first that would be nice,but that doesnt seem to work,if I try I am sure I can get laid but thats not really the top of my agenda at the moment
3-xanax I took for anxiety,valuum I dont know why I took it. Same with lortabs.
4-Testosterone?I dont think at my age that would be a wise choice,although this is supposed to be my prime,it makes me wonder,if this is my prime,the rest of my life is going to be unimaginable shit.
5-counseling+md not an option,rather I wont man up,didnt like previous experiences


My main problem is fatigue.Why am I tired 24/7.Why am I in complete lack of energy?
Is it because of a "chemical imbalance"?

I am considering ordering prozac online.
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Paxil worked for me bro. They(Paxil & Prozac) are the same class of drug, although Paxil also works well for Social Anxiety it seems. They are also available now in Generic, so you can save a few bucks on it these days, but that is relative.

As far as your fatigue, that could also be a part of the depression relating to the Seratonin imbalance. Taking Paxil saved my life. Within a matter of about 2 weeks(the time it takes for the Paxil to work), I remembered why I enjoyed being alive. If I were you, I'd make an appointment with your General Practicioner THIS MORNING, and tell him your situation. Tell him that you have been reading about Prozac & Paxil, and other Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI's), and thought they might help. Tell him you NEED HELP. Make the Doc understand this, and you will probably walk out of there with a Script, as well as perhaps some free samples to get you started. Ask if they have any. Trust me bro, if you take the time to go there, and ask for help, they WILL help you.

Good luck.
 
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dude..youre 17 ...of course your tired ...your hormones are f'n zooomin...no drugs...drugs are bad m'kay...for real ..they will only make it harder in the long run ...just chill out .. you have a long long road ahead your only 17...:mix:
 
I'm real sorry to hear this. Just don't give up hope. It may seem that things are never going to get better, but there is always a way. Wish you the best. :)
 
Go to a doctor...not a head-shrinker. There are a lot of effective treatments for what you have, BUT, you have to find the right one for your particular situation. That's where a competent physician comes into play...to assess the effectiveness and help you find the right drug.
 
I was on prozac for a few years, and look at me:

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Didnt do shit for me. It took off some edge, but only enough so that I gave even less of a fuck about consequences. It was a bitch to get off, dizzy spells and shit.
 
look just go to the bloody doctor. you need to be assessed from top to bottom before you get therapy. there are many physical syndromes which manifest in a psychological one. they need to be excluded first, and then on to phych problems. i was in the pharm dept of a major psych hospital for 3 weeks (internship) and worked with the docs there. just go.

do yourself a favour and do no self medicate. you already used the wrong drugs once, leave it at that, ok. i thought by saying 'go to a doc' earlier you would have listened, but you look like youre about to stray from teh correct path. dont.

cheers
 
get your thyroid levels checked. Some of the symptoms you described are similiar to a condition called hyperthyroidism. Especially the eating tons and not gaining weight. However, that may be attributed to you being a teenager with a high metabolism.

P.s. I am not saying that you have this. I just think it might be looking into.
 
Just because your first experience with a shrink sucked, doesn't mean he's the only game in town. Is there somebody around that you trust that could recommend a place to start?

Seriously, find a professional counsellor, and let it out. They'll at least get you started on a good protocol, and talk to you to get to the root of your depression.

I've been in and out of counselling and the med. routine, and it has been the best thing for me.

Give it another try.
 
You DO need a doctor. If the first one sucked, find a DIFFERENT one. There are good ones and it can be a challenge to find one, but it will make ALL the difference. Depression can be a symptom of many other things. It can also be chemical, meaning you just can't think yourself well. There are numerous chemicals in the brain and you've got to treat the right one (sometimes more than one). Our balance of brain chemicals is as unique as our fingerprints. There's no 1 size fit all drug. It can take some trial and error to find the right medication for you, so don't give up if the first one doesn't work. Sometimes even the right drug will start out with some bad sides, but they get better. Having a doctor with experience in this makes all the difference.
 
I would give the docs and the meds another chance. Find the right ones for you.
Also, something that helped me was to get a project or hobby and stay busy.
It sounds silly but it worked for me. Build something, paint something, sand down an old dresser, hell paint by numbers...but do something. Not video games or listening to music about how fucked up the world is. Sitting around doing nothing but thinking and worrying about things is unhealthy.
Get your hands busy. Create something.

Just my .02....good luck.
 
grahf2 said:
1-religion ha,that would just anger me further
2-fuck a model,first that would be nice,but that doesnt seem to work,if I try I am sure I can get laid but thats not really the top of my agenda at the moment
3-xanax I took for anxiety,valuum I dont know why I took it. Same with lortabs.
4-Testosterone?I dont think at my age that would be a wise choice,although this is supposed to be my prime,it makes me wonder,if this is my prime,the rest of my life is going to be unimaginable shit.
5-counseling+md not an option,rather I wont man up,didnt like previous experiences


My main problem is fatigue.Why am I tired 24/7.Why am I in complete lack of energy?
Is it because of a "chemical imbalance"?

I am considering ordering prozac online.
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Yeah, try prozac, it helped me. But start out small, 20mg a day, because if you take a bunch at first, it might make you worse. I stopped taking it for about 2 years and then I tried it again on the same 80mg dose, and I just slept and was more depressed and disoriented. Your system has to adjust to it, so start out small.
 
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You DO need a doctor. If the first one sucked, find a DIFFERENT one. There are good ones and it can be a challenge to find one, but it will make ALL the difference. Depression can be a symptom of many other things. It can also be chemical, meaning you just can't think yourself well. There are numerous chemicals in the brain and you've got to treat the right one (sometimes more than one). Our balance of brain chemicals is as unique as our fingerprints. There's no 1 size fit all drug. It can take some trial and error to find the right medication for you, so don't give up if the first one doesn't work. Sometimes even the right drug will start out with some bad sides, but they get better. Having a doctor with experience in this makes all the difference.
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Well, this is what I was going to suggest, in a nutshell.

Don't give up on treatment, it works. :)
 
I agree with try another doctor. Not all are incapable of handling the situation you may have.

Whatever you decide, let us know how it goes. Keep us updated, ok?
 
Uh, don't listen to all that non-sense. You're 17, lay off the drugs, especially SSRI's. SNRI's or SDRI's might be an option, but counseling is much more pertinent. Drugs are only a patch, they make it ok to forget to deal with the issues. You're in no way qualified to self-medicate/self-administer psychoactives. SSRI's for one can cause serotonin syndrome among other things (can be fatal), onset of suicidal thoughts, exasperate fatigue/indolence issues, etc.

Definately cease diazepam - extremely addictive, xanax is a viable option (at least it was actually SHOWN to allay depression sysmptoms unlike many marketed crap). What are you taking for insomnia (specifically)? Sleep meds have rather high addiction potential, especially the likes of xolnox, etc.


Although, it might seem a doc is inept, but you're no more competent than him, trust me. Get advice from above, not yourself, or the specs on this board (unless they're actual docs) :o
 
Going on vacation to a pretty place ie. the rockies, the hill country, a pretty lake, grand canyan, carlsbad caveren etc) always popped me out a depression. I had the dark side of life three times now suicidal all three and going to a pretty place God made snapped me out of three. Shrinks don't do crap but make you more depressed about the money you have to pay them to listen to ya. I mean how pathetic is that? I mean I would rather give my friends a $100 than some shrink that could care less about me other than will my check clear?
 
Depression, in all its varieties, is very treatable. The tragic part about this illness is, by definition those afflicted with it, either don't believe they are worthy of treatment for depression or they believe that no depression treatment will work for them. Both of these ideas are completely wrong, but they are, in themselves, symptoms of the depression.

Physiologically, depression can be treated with medications known as anti-depressants. These will raise the levels of various neurotransmitters, thus relieving some of the depression symptoms. Also they help give the person a bit more control over their emotions and thoughts, which goes a long way to alleviating the illness altogether. Over the past few years, a lot has been said about anti-depressants. They're alternately vilified as inducing--rather than alleviating--psychosis, and as absolute cure-alls. In fact, they are neither. They do not "cause" people to become psychotic or suicidal, as some news stories on Prozac (probably the most famous anti-depressant) claim. In cases like this, it's much more likely that the anti-depressant medication just didn't work as well as expected. And they are not cure-alls, since they are not "happy pills" which suddenly provide a euphoric state. When they work, they simply take the "edge" off of one's mood, and do not altogether eliminate depression. Rather, they make depressed moments shorter, and less frequent. It's best to think of these medications as helpers or guides, rather than as cures.

Psychologically, therapy is a great help. There are several types of therapy available for depression. Different types of therapy work differently on various patients. For the most part, cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) and interpersonal therapy work best. Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) helps the patient examine his or her thought processes, allowing him or her to uncover erroneous ideas, assumptions, and so forth. Interpersonal therapy helps the patient explore other learned thoughts and behaviors that create problems and contribute to depression. For example, therapists can help depressed individuals understand and improve patterns of interacting with other people that contribute to their depression. Both therapies involve raising self-esteem, which is a great help. Often, a therapist will incorporate components of both of these therapies in sessions with a patient, depending on his or her needs at the time. (This is called an eclectic approach--eclectic meaning simply that different techniques from different therapies, are used.)

Most depression patients require both anti-depressant medication and therapy. Nearly all will benefit from at least a little therapy, and many benefit from medication. It's a mistake, however, to rely solely on anti-depressant medication to relieve depression. In the long run, I've never known this to work. At some point, therapy is usually necessary, and there are a number of patients who are helped only by therapy, without need of medication at all


http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Depression/living/general2.asp
 
No offense but you are being a fool. I can say that because I was in your exact shoes no too long ago. I dealt with the same exact symptoms you have described and now that I have sought treatment I kick myself for the time I have lost by being stubborn and not selecting treatment.

Here's what you do. I like you had several bad experiences with doc's before I found one that I liked. There is absolutely nothing wrong with doctor shopping. You are the customer and if you are not satisfied with your treatment find another. I visited two doc's before I found one that I could communicate with and see eye to eye.

I highly recommend Wellbutrin. It took a few weeks to work fully but I noticed an improvement in my symptoms after the first week. It has changed my life and opened so many doors for me that I had previously closed to due my condition. It really gave me a new lease on life. I don't plan on taking it forever but for now it is helping and I don't want to rock the boat. It hasn't effected my sex drive in the least, I eat like a horse and my workouts are great. I know what you are going through right now, seriously. Please don't make the same mistake I did, life is too short. If you need anybody to talk to feel free to PM me. :)
 
grahf2 said:
1-religion ha,that would just anger me further
2-fuck a model,first that would be nice,but that doesnt seem to work,if I try I am sure I can get laid but thats not really the top of my agenda at the moment
3-xanax I took for anxiety,valuum I dont know why I took it. Same with lortabs.
4-Testosterone?I dont think at my age that would be a wise choice,although this is supposed to be my prime,it makes me wonder,if this is my prime,the rest of my life is going to be unimaginable shit.
5-counseling+md not an option,rather I wont man up,didnt like previous experiences


My main problem is fatigue.Why am I tired 24/7.Why am I in complete lack of energy?
Is it because of a "chemical imbalance"?

I am considering ordering prozac online.
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your tired because your probably not being nutritionized properly, and you havnt moved in fucking 5 months...

depression sucks, but join a gym and lift...this is a fitness forum. lifting is one of my favorite things in life, and i hardly just started, so maybe it will make you happy too.

see friends, being alone worsens things...find stuff to do, dont stay alone and think
 
Damn, life was definitely different at 17 than it is for me today only five years later. For me, life was a lot simpler. Not everyone is that lucky. The best thing you can do is go see another doc. Don't ask for advice from people on a discussion board. We can tell you how to stab someone in the back, how to get revenge, how to ask someone out, etc, but we can't help you deal with something that is a serious problem. A doctor can give you real help. Just because one didn't work out doesn't mean that no doctor will be able to help. Give it a chance.

And give up the cigarettes! You're only 16 and way too young to already be hooked on the things! :mad:
 
well,I dont do drugs,not anymore anyways.I mean I used to get drunk almost 5 days a week,but I havent had a drink in all this time. Out of all the drugs I did by the way,recreational and pharmacuetical, the only thing I have been addicted to is cigarettes. I have been at 1 pack a day for about a year now,dont even remeber when I first started it was so long ago.

I have researched fitness and nutrition,and have become knowledgable in it as well.I just cant seem to make myself implement it( smoking also slows me down in that area,but when I try to quit,my symptoms all come on at once and its pure hell,so I give back in)

On my nutrition-I weigh about 135-140 always. I never go over,not "dieting" or anything,seriously I eat whe hungry until full(example some and most days I prob.dont eat enough,like 2000 cals at max,terribly if I was to workout,but today I ate 7 hamburgers(home grilled) and potato soup+other stuff and I am still hungry,(all this in about7 hours,thats about how long I have been awake.

I dont know much about amenia or my thyroid, I do know I probally have something wrong with my prostate however. Usually I dont take anything for sleep,unless I am sick,then I just "self medicate" I get chronic bronchitis(2-3 times a year) so I usually only self med.with albuterol and hydrotussin(codeine-like) when Im sick.Other than that med free

What I guess I wanna know is IF I put myself through hell(diet/exercise alot)
and properly of course,will fatigue just not go away?
 
Sounds like your fatigue is due to insomnia & depression. I really wouldn't know though, i think even doctors get 50% of all diagnosis wrong, a layman probably gets closer to 80% wrong. Insomnia is usually due to mental problems. I dont know how you can fix those. Drugs and therapy i guess.

If i were in your shoes id start trying antidepressant herbs and drugs, keep going through them until you find one that works. You may have to try 10 to get one that is a keeper but it'll be worth it if it makes your life a little better.

Also, since im pulling diagnosises out of my ass, maybe you should check to see if you have sleep apnea. that could factor into yoru sleep problems and fatigue.
 
Seek professional help.

I'm serious here. You already know that you have a problem, you just need to be willing to face it. If one doctor didn't help. find another. Don't spend anymore time than you already have feeling like this. No the answer isn't always medication, but hopefully a new doctor can help you live life. You are far to young to be living like this.

Good luck. :angel:
 
Hey bro don't despair, all of the things you describe everyone has been through at one time or another. I have felt the same way at times. 17, all kinds of things are affecting your life right now, most of which you don't have control over. This is okay, this is life, how you deal with it is very important. Do not take the drug route. We have a tendancy to think that everyone of life's little "hiccups" can be treated with drugs. This creates a state of dependancy and powerlessness which can only benefit the pharmaceutical compaines.
Take a close look at the things in life that are affecting you.... are they really worth giving that much attention to and letting them affect you so severely? Personally, I am very hard on myself, down to miniscule details. For me I took it at as challenge to overcome, to grow stronger because of, to test myself.
Do whatever it takes to deal with this, find a hobby, learn to lose yourself in the moment, try to enjoy the simplest things in life, enjoy the process if that's what it takes. You have your life ahead of you, nothing at all is worth getting down about for too long.At the very least exercise every day, at least some kind. Exercise has been proven to be the most effective way to fight depression.
Before you seek more medical help do a few things first... get out and about...exercise you body and brain, learn something new, find a new hobby, talk and get to know as many new people as you can, listen carefully, you can learn something from all of them. Talk to that hot girl... trust me she is just as nervous as you are no matter how she acts.
All the things you ever needed to deal with this can be found within yourself, work toward finding it. It can be done and you be be surprised how easily it can be done.
Find a trusted friend to confide in to help you along the way, it can be a parent, girlfriend, teacher or the crazy lady who lives down the street, you did always wonder what she was arguing about to herself didn't you?
So many answers surround you, just take a look.
If after a concerted effort these things don't work... take it upon yourself to find a professional to talk to....then and ONLY then upon their advice, should you consider taking drugs.
Good luck to you friend.
 
Do you have a job or a hobby? Getting a job and making some money, and havng a hobby like lifting can really fix your mood and life up. You need soemthing to get you out of bed in the morning. Good luck.
 
i was diagnosed with depression/anxiety a few years ago. it was the hardest thing to do, to go to a doc and tell him how i felt. I was almost embarassed. I didn't really have a regular doctor I went to... so I just went to one of the local clinics around here and talked to a doctor. Told him how I felt, which is basically the same way you described yourself. He started me on paxil. It worked but I was always very sedated. A few years later, I am on 10mg of Lexapro and my life has been turned around. Go see a doc.
 
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